muddyjoe wrote:That looks like a big plate of hot garbage and the voices just don't work. This feels too much like those last two cringe-worthy Thor movies.
You mean the Thor movie that is arguably a top-5 movie in the MCU? Ragnarok?
muddyjoe wrote:That looks like a big plate of hot garbage and the voices just don't work. This feels too much like those last two cringe-worthy Thor movies.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Merc With A Mouth wrote:Who is Glyph and why is he so awesome?
This bible is most likely the Binder of Revelation that served to map out the Aligned continuity and was built largely on elements of Movie, ROTF, G1, BW, UT, IDW, and Animated lore combined together.Glyph wrote:Re: continuity in the movies in general: I guess I'm operating from the assumption that if someone was handed a binder of TF lore by Hasbro and comments that they had no idea there was so much prior story, then they're not going to be discussing precise continuity within the TF multiverse in the way fans do, whatever Lorenzo tries to claim. Some context has to be assumed. "Characters" means "the hero guy called Optimus Prime who's a big red truck".
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Merc With A Mouth wrote:Who is Glyph and why is he so awesome?
First-Aid wrote:Brokebot wrote:When a restaurant starts serving **** sandwiches and blames the customer for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting more product, that restaurant fails. That's a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to learn. Give the customer what they want and they remain customers. Try to cram crap down their throats that they don't want and they let you crash and burn.
The very height of hubris is to make the assumption that you are the only customer that matters. In the grand scheme of things, more younger people are fans of the new Transformers than the old school. Since they are going to be around longer, it makes sense to focus on them as a longer revenue stream. As people have said repeatedly, these movies are NOT aimed at collectors, who frankly are a bunch of a**holes anymore. They are aimed at a broad general audience. The easter eggs are for collectors, but the movies are to the masses and designed to make money. General audiences don't pick apart characters and motivation and factor in canon like the childlike fanboys. They want an escape and to have fun. If you think that because you as a Transfan you should have a bigger input and that they should cater to your pathetic tuchus when you make up less than 0.0003% of the general population, then go take a nap and go back to your coloring books and crayons...you need to grow up.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Same audience.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.
Or "The Incredibles".
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.
I'm saying, this doesn't look like it's aimed at kids, it looks like it's aimed at all ages like family films are.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I keep seeing people use the words "kids movie" to refer to this one. What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"? I see this as more of the latter than the former. To me, "kids movie" means it's meant only for kids and has little to no value for adults to enjoy. This looks like it's aimed at the same audience as Shrek.
I'm all for the kids to have their fun too.
We got plenty of grimdark with the Bay movies.
I'm not a kid.
I do not have a family.
But this ain't going to stop me.
Time for a FUN TF movie for once.
Also, Shrek is LEGENDARY. I was 25 when it was released in 2001. I bought the special edition DVD and I watch every single minutes of it. All the special features. Even the French and Spanish version on it. I don't think TF1 will match the Legend, but if it's aimed at the same audience, DAMN, this will be good.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Well, bluntly, the fact that it's animated and brightly coloured with a joke-filled trailer, so has more appeal for (a) kids and (b) parents of kids, bonus points for nostalgia, than a live-action trailer full of young adults and grey robots brawling.Sabrblade wrote:What makes this more of a "kids movie" than a "family movie"?
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Merc With A Mouth wrote:Who is Glyph and why is he so awesome?
partholon wrote:Dear gods that was horrific.
I've seen the Lego movie already, I don't need to see it again with kid Megatron.
I was hoping for something along the lines of what's happening with x men 97 , too much to ask I guess.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
That's exactly what I'm doing. I probably won't even consider it a movie, just a really long cartoon episode, probably a 5-parter like Five Faces of Darkness, since there will be Quints in it. I just hope they didn't jam all the fun parts into the trailer.Dominus Prime wrote:The way I'm gonna view this movie is to look at it as a stand-alone feature. If you try to tie it in with whatever continuity is your preference, you will more than likely be disappointed. I say watch it as a stand-alone and enjoy it for what it is. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and have a few cool things to it. Will it be what I'd like a Transformers Origin movie to be? No, it won't, but I'll enjoy it for what it is.
Rodimus Prime wrote:
And did Starscream resemble Reactivate Screamer in his scene? I noticed Shockwave looked like FoC Shockwave.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Rodimus Prime wrote:That's exactly what I'm doing. I probably won't even consider it a movie, just a really long cartoon episode, probably a 5-parter like Five Faces of Darkness, since there will be Quints in it. I just hope they didn't jam all the fun parts into the trailer.Dominus Prime wrote:The way I'm gonna view this movie is to look at it as a stand-alone feature. If you try to tie it in with whatever continuity is your preference, you will more than likely be disappointed. I say watch it as a stand-alone and enjoy it for what it is. I'm sure it'll be entertaining and have a few cool things to it. Will it be what I'd like a Transformers Origin movie to be? No, it won't, but I'll enjoy it for what it is.
And did Starscream resemble Reactivate Screamer in his scene? I noticed Shockwave looked like FoC Shockwave.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I'm gonna be honest, this happens every single time we get the first reveal of another new show or movie that has a lighter tone, and I'm sick of it.
Transformers is, has been, and always will be a family-friendly property meant to sell childen's playthings to youngsters, first and foremost. And many of us adult fans were once part of that original age group, and we LOVED it when we were that age. We loved it so much that we're still here with it so long after we've aged out of that age group, because no matter how much taller and deeper-voiced we've become on the outside, we're still just a bunch of kids on the inside.
That inner child has stuck with us because we've defied society's peer pressures that have told us to "grow up" because we're "too old for toys/comics/cartoons/etc." And because we've embraced our inner child, we have become what society has come to refer to as "geeks", "nerds", "dorks", "fanatics", "enthusiasts", "afictionados", and so on. And most of those terms were once derogatory, meant to label us as societal outcasts and abnormals. "Freaks", if you will. Yet, as the years have gone by with the growing rise of nerd culture, we "geeks" have come to wear those labels on our sleeves with pride and dignity, having risen past the derision and bullying that were once (and, sadly, still are) common reactions from those outside of geekdom.
So when I see so many of those supposedly self-proclaimed nerds and dorks who openly collect and geek-out about children's toys and cartoons reacting so negatively to the next new thing in Transformers that has even a slightly lighter tone (e.g. - Animated, Rescue Bots, Robots in Disguise 2015, Rescue Bots Academy, Bumblebee, Cyberverse, BotBots, EarthSpark) and isn't some miserable grimdark edgelord "Gritty and Mature" depression-fest (DOTM, Prime, AOE, TLK, Machninima's Prime Wars Trilogy, Netflix's War For Cybertron Trilogy), I see nothing but hypocrisy.
I'm not saying everyone has to like everything, but we should all at least recognize that we're fans of something that is still intended for children, and have no shame about that. If those same naysayers give the super-wacky lighthearted G1 cartoon with all its goofy-voiced Saturday-morning-cartoon characters a pass just because of rose-tinted nostalgia, then I'm calling out the hypocrisy where I see it.
Even Beast Wars lived and breathed Looney Tunes style humor. "The Low Road" wasn't an isolated case of silliness. The whole show made use of Bugs Bunny-styled and Tom & Jerry-styled comedy gags to get around the US networks' broadcast standards and practices for violence in children's television. Even Beast Machines, as dark and mature as that show was, still made occasional lighthearted quips, jokes about sports and music, and even pop culture references. Oh, and Prime had Miko; I shouldn't even have to say anything about how super-wacky she was.
Every time Transformers has produced a show or movie that was uber-dark in tone, it's always, ALWAYS, been a depressing piece of garbage. Like, why would anyone want to watch something so miserable? Where's the fun in that? What kind of inner child just wants to watch the world burn? That's horrible.
Which brings me to the question of "Where's your inner child?" People are saying this movie looks like it's only aimed at kids and has nothing of value for adults, when if you looked past all the jokes (which the director admitted were crammed into the trailer on purpose because of how serious and real the movie gets as it goes on), you'd recognize that this movie is likely going to tackle some serious subjects, like free will, the rights of the oppressed, the social inequities and moral injustices of a class-based caste system, slavery, the amount of power and control that entities of social authority and governance should have over the people, and so on. That's a bunch of stuff that would go right over the heads of little kids.
If we really want to feel "grown up" and "mature", then whining about a children's property making something that isn't Grim & Gritty isn't the way to go about it. This whole attitude of "I DEMAND to be taken SERIOUSLY and that MY children's media be the Transformers equivalent of SIN CITY!!" just reeks of juvenile insecurity. I mean, we like a children's property but not when it's being a children's property? That doesn't make any sense! Are we geeks or aren't we?
Though this isn't a Disney movie, I'm reminded of a quote Walt Disney once said that I feel still applies to this film:
I do not make films primarily for children. I make them for the child in all of us, whether we be six or sixty. Call the child "innocence". The worst of us is not without innocence, although buried deeply it might be. In my work I try to reach and speak to that innocence, showing it the fun and joy of living; showing it that laughter is healthy; showing it that the human species, although happily ridiculous at times, is still reaching for the stars.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Sabrblade wrote:things
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
Merc With A Mouth wrote:Who is Glyph and why is he so awesome?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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