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News Credits: 1 · Tue May 26, 2009 1:15 pm

Every single object that the all-spark has given life to has had extreme annihilation mannerisms as soon as they transform, but why?

Sparks are created within these devices, but why wouldn't a few of them be explorative, or playful like in Wall-e :mrgreen:

News Credits: 22 · Tue May 26, 2009 2:06 pm

That's actually a good point, I thought about that as well. What came to mind was that if there were Autobots created, there wouldn't be a justified reason to kill them off. And if they're not killed off, why would you have a trashcan, or a toaster, or other small appliances running around?

News Credits: 1 · Tue May 26, 2009 2:20 pm

Simple:

Decepticons are born, not made. Oh, wait, that's heroes. Or something.

Risking getting all philosophical-like, one might argue that Decepticons are 'uncivilized' vs Autobots 'civilized'. Civilization means a process, meaning you start at X and get turned into Y. So by making all the allsparky devices decepticon, there's a statement that Decepticon-ness is the raw state of Cybertronians before all that ooshy-gooshy civilizing Autobotness.

It could also mean that the Allspark likes Decepticons better than Autobots.

It could ALSO mean that the Allspark hates humans and wants to create things to destroy humans.

Or it could just be because Decepticons are WAY cooler than Autobots.

HK, unbiassed. okay, not really.

Tue May 26, 2009 2:53 pm

Well they said in the first film that all human technology was reverse engineered from Megatron so it could be all human machines have a bit of Megs in them.
Or! it could be that, like humans, transformers are brought into the world kicking and screaming.

Tue May 26, 2009 5:08 pm

This is a really good point that has been brought up. It is a weird deal, and a lot of us have wondered why this happened in the first movie. I would have to guess that Bay just showed the evil machines come to life just to focus on what could possibly happen if the deceps go their hands on the all spark. there were likely good bots too, but showing them wouldn't help underscore the importance that the deceps not get to it first.

News Credits: 1 · Tue May 26, 2009 5:22 pm

In the first movie it was said the technology of our modern age was reversed engineered from Megatron.Maybe that has something to do with it.

Tue May 26, 2009 6:43 pm

There's an echo in this thread.

News Credits: 22 · Wed May 27, 2009 12:40 am

But it makes sense.

According to the movie, what I am using right now to type this and look at this is the bastard offspring of Megatron.

Wed May 27, 2009 9:31 am

I understand that this is the official explanation given, but it still doesn't make sense. How are they able to reproduce the essence of his personality\evilness through reverse engineering? Is that tied somehow to the physical components that make him up? Are his personality and mechanical components intertwined?

News Credits: 22 · Wed May 27, 2009 12:54 pm

syphonn wrote: Are his personality and mechanical components intertwined?

Yes. Which is why he is a sentient being. Works just the same with us. If our nervous system didn't connect our physical parts (bones, muscles, etc.) to our brain, we'd just be a bunch of bags of flesh. Ironically the Decepticons refer to us as such.

News Credits: 1 · Wed May 27, 2009 6:00 pm

Bubbatep wrote:Well they said in the first film that all human technology was reverse engineered from Megatron so it could be all human machines have a bit of Megs in them.
Or! it could be that, like humans, transformers are brought into the world kicking and screaming.

I like where you're going with the human + megs tech = deathbot idea, makes sense.

I wonder if they could give birth to new characters in these upcoming films and raise them on earth....

I was envisioning a fan story spinoff with Hot Rod being born a beat up racer of sorts, and grows up among impoverished kids, and grows up to be their guardian (also gets a makover as a <b>Lambo Reventon</b>) but it would be about him, with everyone else as supporting characters.

Maybe not Hot Rod personally, but do you guys get my drift? Evil (smaller) bots serve only to entertain us and get brutally destroyed on screen, whereas we can have a hero autobot grow up on earth and be 'trained' and 'disciplined' like the karate kid lol.

Wed May 27, 2009 6:17 pm

Actually, if you read the movie comics, there is an instance of the All Spark bringing to life Autobots (if you can call them that).

In the Movie Prequel Alliance #2, the piece of All Spark that Optimus recovered not only brought back to life Wreckage the Decepticon, but also brought to life three of the Sector Seven dune buggies into Landmine Drones. The drones try to fight off Wreckage and seem to be defending the soldiers.

Thu May 28, 2009 11:16 am

Rodimus Prime wrote:
syphonn wrote: Are his personality and mechanical components intertwined?

Yes. Which is why he is a sentient being. Works just the same with us. If our nervous system didn't connect our physical parts (bones, muscles, etc.) to our brain, we'd just be a bunch of bags of flesh. Ironically the Decepticons refer to us as such.

I was under the impression that the 'spark' was what made them sentient, and that is just housed inside the robot shell, like the human soul\consciousness is housed in the body.

Something else I was thinking about too, they said that all earth's technology was reversed engineered from Megatron, so lets take a electric generator for example, if it had been zapped by the Allspark, it would also turn into raging electrobot because according to them the concept of electricty was learned from Megatron. Now, no parts were taken from him to make this generator just the concept of rotating a copper coil between magnets to create electricity. So by the writers logic, wire coil + magnet + motion = evil Megatron's personality

News Credits: 22 · Thu May 28, 2009 12:18 pm

syphonn wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
syphonn wrote: Are his personality and mechanical components intertwined?

Yes. Which is why he is a sentient being. Works just the same with us. If our nervous system didn't connect our physical parts (bones, muscles, etc.) to our brain, we'd just be a bunch of bags of flesh. Ironically the Decepticons refer to us as such.

I was under the impression that the 'spark' was what made them sentient, and that is just housed inside the robot shell, like the human soul\consciousness is housed in the body.

Yeah. It's because of the spark that animates them and makes everything more, I don't know "human" for them. Because of that they can make decisions that aren't just cold and calculated like a computer, they also register damage (their version of feeling pain, I guess) which limits their abilities. You got it right, the spark is their life force, without it, they would just be mindless machines. It is because of the spark that their mechanics and personalities are intertwinted.

Something else I was thinking about too, they said that all earth's technology was reversed engineered from Megatron, so lets take a electric generator for example, if it had been zapped by the Allspark, it would also turn into raging electrobot because according to them the concept of electricty was learned from Megatron. Now, no parts were taken from him to make this generator just the concept of rotating a copper coil between magnets to create electricity. So by the writers logic, wire coil + magnet + motion = evil Megatron's personality

Not necessairly. Not until teh Allspark is added to it. Until then, wire coil+magnet+motion=parts. The Allspark is what makes it all work together.

Thu May 28, 2009 2:51 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
syphonn wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
syphonn wrote: Are his personality and mechanical components intertwined?

Yes. Which is why he is a sentient being. Works just the same with us. If our nervous system didn't connect our physical parts (bones, muscles, etc.) to our brain, we'd just be a bunch of bags of flesh. Ironically the Decepticons refer to us as such.

I was under the impression that the 'spark' was what made them sentient, and that is just housed inside the robot shell, like the human soul\consciousness is housed in the body.

Yeah. It's because of the spark that animates them and makes everything more, I don't know "human" for them. Because of that they can make decisions that aren't just cold and calculated like a computer, they also register damage (their version of feeling pain, I guess) which limits their abilities. You got it right, the spark is their life force, without it, they would just be mindless machines. It is because of the spark that their mechanics and personalities are intertwinted.

Something else I was thinking about too, they said that all earth's technology was reversed engineered from Megatron, so lets take a electric generator for example, if it had been zapped by the Allspark, it would also turn into raging electrobot because according to them the concept of electricty was learned from Megatron. Now, no parts were taken from him to make this generator just the concept of rotating a copper coil between magnets to create electricity. So by the writers logic, wire coil + magnet + motion = evil Megatron's personality

Not necessairly. Not until teh Allspark is added to it. Until then, wire coil+magnet+motion=parts. The Allspark is what makes it all work together.

See that is my point right there, if his Spark makes him Megatron, how does reverse engineering his body pass on his personality traits to what was made from that technology after being zapped by the Allspark?

Thu May 28, 2009 3:13 pm

That is a deep topic, hrmmmm. Unfortunately I don't have a good reply back. Makes ya wonder though.

News Credits: 1 · Thu May 28, 2009 3:26 pm

Superior Prime09 wrote:That is a deep topic, hrmmmm. Unfortunately I don't have a good reply back. Makes ya wonder though.

Comes from the heart of a dedicated Fanboy my friend. To this day I fight any engineer that disagrees with my theories of Transformer technology becoming mainstream in our future..... I'm talkin Swiss Army Moto/phone/mp3/jetpack/armor/cycle yo :-B

News Credits: 22 · Fri May 29, 2009 12:34 am

syphonn wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Not necessairly. Not until teh Allspark is added to it. Until then, wire coil+magnet+motion=parts. The Allspark is what makes it all work together.

See that is my point right there, if his Spark makes him Megatron, how does reverse engineering his body pass on his personality traits to what was made from that technology after being zapped by the Allspark?

Huh. You got me. I am not quite sure. The closest explanation I can offer is it's kinda like a human having a severed limb. By itself it won't move or do anything, but it is still alive. Once it has been reunited with its lifegiving force (human: body; Transformer: Allspark) it comes alive once again. Of course organic limbs die soon, whereas metallic limbs or other parts involving Megatron stay alive a lot longer. Anyway, that's the best i can do.

Fri May 29, 2009 10:39 am

We've had this discussion before,since when did reverse engineer translate to there being little bits of megatron in EVERY electrical item in the world,thats just not what reverse engineering means!
if you were born in the wild you would be feral,selfish and tribal,i.e.decepticon but we are raised by our peers to be just,fair and self-sacrificing,i.e.civilised or autobot,make sense now:)

Fri May 29, 2009 11:22 am

When I watched the movie, I thought the same thing. I just figured the little cell-phone guy was just scared becuase he comes to life, stuck in a plastic box, surrounded by huge people. I just figured he was defending himself. Same with the Xbox and Dispensor.

Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:16 am

SJ21 wrote:When I watched the movie, I thought the same thing. I just figured the little cell-phone guy was just scared becuase he comes to life, stuck in a plastic box, surrounded by huge people. I just figured he was defending himself. Same with the Xbox and Dispensor.

As did I. They're just babies, running off instinct. Self-control is something you LEARN. You're not born with it.

Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:54 pm

maybe it has something to do with the allspark origins
unicron anyone
since we know that they don't know where the allspark come from. thanks to optimus speech at the start of the movie.
:-?

Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:45 pm

I do like that idea that the "baby TF's are just scared, confused and wondering why the hell some "thing" is sitting IN it or crowding around it. I'd love to see that the Autobots kind of "talked some of them down" and added them to their "Team".

Hell I'd love to see that Dispensor became some kinda regular 'Bot and not a 'Con. Or some of the other smaller bots.

Dispensor was probably just trying to eject all those stupid cans of "stuff" in him and oops if they hit someone.

News Credits: 3 · Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:39 pm

I dont think new Transformers are born Decepticons they are born feral.

In the prequel comics and inferred in the first movie is the fact that the Allspark gives off different levels of "radiation" through "spikes" or "pulses" for some unknown reasons. In the movie feral Transformers were created when one of those "pulses" happened with Sam .

In the movie continuity alot isnt known about the Allspark but it stands to reason that these "pulses" are somehow different than whatever energy the Allspark uses to give normal Transformers life and therefore machinery that gets hit with a pulse becomes feral rather normal.

Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:34 am

MYoung23 wrote:I dont think new Transformers are born Decepticons they are born feral.

In the prequel comics and inferred in the first movie is the fact that the Allspark gives off different levels of "radiation" through "spikes" or "pulses" for some unknown reasons. In the movie feral Transformers were created when one of those "pulses" happened with Sam .

In the movie continuity alot isnt known about the Allspark but it stands to reason that these "pulses" are somehow different than whatever energy the Allspark uses to give normal Transformers life and therefore machinery that gets hit with a pulse becomes feral rather normal.

This.