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[kirbenvost]

I really don't know about Jason Statham... Say what you will about LaBeouf, I think his presence grounds the franchise a little bit, prevents it from becoming even more of an overblown testosterone-fest than it already is. That's pretty much what Statham is all about. I personally don't think we need 'Crank' with robots.

[LadyBug]

I am and not happy about the news about TF4 and TF5. It's great for Hasbro and it's great for the fans that had been reintroduced to Transformers because of the live action movies. I was one of those fans. I'm with kirbenvost on the whole Jason Statham thing. I don't know who he is. And I'm sure that Hasbro/Paramount will get an unknown/good looking main actor for the new TF series. Shia attracted alot of females to the fandom as much as Megan Fox did for the guys.

As far as new 'bots and 'cons, I'm sure we'll see some familiar ones but I'm also sure we'll get alot of new ones. These movies are only made to help promote their toy line. And with the sales of DOTM toys being down because they were mostly of all same characters, they may surprise us with new ones that may not even dreamed of seeing on the big screen before. It will be nice to have the three main 'cons though back. Megs always tends to come back some how in any other given series, so why not the live action ones too?

[acchillyaout]

Enough of the Transformer Movie bashing. Sheesh. I have been a transformer fan longer than all of you put together. Take them for what they are. They have mainstreamed Transformers and made it "cool" for people to openly support the franchise. Let's be honest, Transformers were drek between G1 and Beast Wars. They are finally coming around again, espically with the Generations figure line. The first movie was great. The second movie was filmed during the writer's strike and the plot had to be constructed and tied together in the editing room. Oh, but all you cyber-nerds fail to mention that. The third movie was a BLOCK-BUSTER!

It does not matter who they cast for Movie 4 & 5. If you are a true fan, go support the Transformers. Otherwise, how are we to ensure they remain around, besides just cheesy comics. So quite your whinning booger-eaters and stop being so judemental. I seriously doubt and complainers (lowman_x) would have done a better job.

What works for one, does not work for all. I only ask you show a little perspective. Until all are one...

[BATTOUSAI XD]

More movies sound good to me. I'm a little burned out on them right now but I'm sure in a year or so I'll be ready for more. IMO the first movie was the best, but I enjoyed DOTM after the first 30 minutes of job interviews. I'd also like to see Megs, Soundwave, and Starscream return somehow and actually become a threat (I noticed in the first movie Megs and SS seemed pretty unstoppable for the Autobots, then in the subsequent ones they just got weaker and became cannon fodder). Gavatron would be cool as a separate character with a new, unique backstory. My only fear is that if released too soon, another movie would get TF: Prime cancelled (I never really watched but from what I understand ROTF caused Animated to come to an early end). TF: Prime has become my favorite show/"universe" in Transformers and I feel like we could get a lot more out of it.

[starwarrior1227]

its discussions and situations like these that make me wonder...
what would happen if the label "Transformers" was owned by Marvel and not hasbro?
would the movies be better? would the toys suck? or do we just not care...


but ya i say let the movie series rest for 2 years+ for now then get the guy who directed the batman begins and dark knight movies or someone else like the guy who directed some other movies that are all at least respectable in value to direct the new movies. and introduce unicron a long w/ the chracters that come after the g1 movie except Rodimus prime( hot rod i am okay with). and let the movie take place all over the universe like the g1 movie did. a battle on earth, a search in space or two, some drama between the species here or there. HUGE BATTLE IN SPACE IN AND OUT OF UNICRON! and most importantly..
DINOBOTS, GALVATRON, AND THE INSECTICONS(i like them)!
...maybe thunderwing in the 5th movie w/ sixshot

just say'n.

[Megatron Wolf]

only way these wont suck is if they decide to make movies instead of 3 hour long car commercials. Heres some ideas, More robot story less humans, decepticons are characters too not just cannon fodder, if a car company gives you a vehicle try and make it a character that actually fits the vehicle just dont slap a name on it cause you have the trademark, more realism less "cause it looks good", explain things just dont do, sit the writers down in front of a tv and make them watch the various TF series so they know what the franchise is really about(other than selling toys), steven spielburg or james cameron to direct, restaff rest of production crew, redesign the bots keeping in mind that they are ROBTOS in disguise not cars that turn into robots. At least LaBeouf will be gone.

[Flashwave]

I see this plea at least once a week on this website. You guys DO realize that a Transformers movie with no Earth and no humans would literally kill this franchise, right?

Do you honestly think your casual movie-goer wants to see that? No, they don't. They want to see high-stakes action that makes them gasp and think "Oh my God, what if that did happen here?" The second you take away that human element, we're back to praying for the next Beast Wars to pull the franchise out of the fire.

You want movie-verse prequels and sequels with no humans that take place on Cybertron? Go buy IDW's Movie Prequel and Reign of Starscream comics. They're fun, and they have a majority of robot action.

And as for Statham and Bay? Yeah, I'd be down for that. That would probably be amazing, actually. I would like to see Shia cameo, though.

Yes, because movies that are filmed in a location other than earth such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Avatar, or other such no named movies were such a flop. Hell, even animated movies such as Toy Story had very little human elements in there but people enjoyed them...

Respectfully, I have to disagree with most of your comparisons there. Toy Story is the only one that's not trully human, but you can't say there weren't human elements. Everything else, they are humans. Whether it's Corusant, Madison, Los Angles, or Mission City, we relate to Humans. And as far as Toy Story, they not only have humans elements, but we held them as family at one time. You can't tell me you never had some kind of doll or teddy bear in your childhood, and the vast majorityy of us had them as companions, venting listeners, and friends we could hide from the world with. That's the relation.

Could a Human/TF movie in space work? I think so. But would Avatar have been as good if we humans weren't the aggresors? Would pople have understood the morale to that story if it were blue people versus some green dudes? Not likely. No matter where the setting is, the audience just can't relate to a story as easily if the characters aren't like them. Do you talk to your truck? Have yo had a tea party with your Hatchback? Probably not, so odds are your Hatchback getting shot by somebody's Lamborghini isn't going to draw tears from Joe Blow.

[lowman_x]

its discussions and situations like these that make me wonder...
what would happen if the label "Transformers" was owned by Marvel and not hasbro?
would the movies be better? would the toys suck? or do we just not care...

Seeing as how I'm more of a TF comic fan than a TF toy/cartoon fan I'd be inclined to like that idea.

[starscreamreturns]

Make more movies
Make more toys
Everybody Happy

[lowman_x]

Enough of the Transformer Movie bashing. Sheesh. I have been a transformer fan longer than all of you put together. Take them for what they are. They have mainstreamed Transformers and made it "cool" for people to openly support the franchise. Let's be honest, Transformers were drek between G1 and Beast Wars. They are finally coming around again, espically with the Generations figure line. The first movie was great. The second movie was filmed during the writer's strike and the plot had to be constructed and tied together in the editing room. Oh, but all you cyber-nerds fail to mention that. The third movie was a BLOCK-BUSTER!

It does not matter who they cast for Movie 4 & 5. If you are a true fan, go support the Transformers. Otherwise, how are we to ensure they remain around, besides just cheesy comics. So quite your whinning booger-eaters and stop being so judemental. I seriously doubt and complainers (lowman_x) would have done a better job.

What works for one, does not work for all. I only ask you show a little perspective. Until all are one...

I never said I would have "done a better job". I'm saying (as others here have too) that we don't have to settle for badly written material, poor direction of everything but the action scenes, massive plot holes, and terrible characterisation. I teach film-making so I would hope I'm able to sniff out a badly written film seeing as how I have a (more-than-passing) interest in the industry. Seeing as how the 2nd and 3rd ones stunk pretty badly it wasn't hard to sniff out. What I did say was that there are plenty of other directors and writers out there who COULD do a better job than Bay and co.

As to its "blockbuster" status: yes, they all were blockbusters. They were all popcorn-munching, visually stunning (visually confusing and hard to follow in a lot of respects), summer-time blockbusters. I don't disagree with you. I'm saying, as the movie-going public and fans of the franchise that we should expect a slightly higher standard of story.