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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:30 pm

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Here's a thought. Why do the movies have to be in live action? Why not make a completely CGI movie (with motion capture CGI)? No, I don't mean at the same uber-expensive level of super realistic CGI quality as these movies have right now. That would be outrageous. What I do mean is a CGI movie done in a similar art style to those of Beowulf and The Polar Express. Yes, it wouldn't look as realistic as real life, but the diminished animation quality would enable the bots to have more screentime and more character interactions/development than "We must fight to save the world," "We will conquer and destroy," and "ROAR! ROAR! ROAR! BANG! BANG! BANG! KABOOM! FIGHT!" Less money for the visuals (and potty humor) = more money for the story and characters. :)
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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby crystalwidow » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:46 pm

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Transformers to date has never had a movie that I can call "good." Not in 1986, not in 2011. I enjoyed what I could but it's a lot like getting Diet Coke when you were expecting regular. It gives you a hollow feeling and a bad taste in your mouth. It's pretty sad when a half hour cartoon can tell a story better than a 2.5 hour film.


I so agree,I somewhat thought the movies needed more classic Transformers fighting and story line.I find it sort of sad to have to explain backgrounds and meanings of the movies because the explanation isn't there or its not clear :oops:
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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby crystalwidow » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:52 pm

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Here's a thought. Why do the movies have to be in live action? Why not make a completely CGI movie (with motion capture CGI)? No, I don't mean at the same uber-expensive level of super realistic CGI quality as these movies have right now. That would be outrageous. What I do mean is a CGI movie done in a similar art style to those of Beowulf and The Polar Express. Yes, it wouldn't look as realistic as real life, but the diminished animation quality would enable the bots to have more screentime and more character interactions/development than "We must fight to save the world," "We will conquer and destroy," and "ROAR! ROAR! ROAR! BANG! BANG! BANG! KABOOM! FIGHT!" Less money for the visuals (and potty humor) = more money for the story and characters.


I would so see something like that! :BOT: :D ;) :BOT:
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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby MINDVVIPE » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:28 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought. Why do the movies have to be in live action? Why not make a completely CGI movie (with motion capture CGI)? No, I don't mean at the same uber-expensive level of super realistic CGI quality as these movies have right now. That would be outrageous. What I do mean is a CGI movie done in a similar art style to those of Beowulf and The Polar Express. Yes, it wouldn't look as realistic as real life, but the diminished animation quality would enable the bots to have more screentime and more character interactions/development than "We must fight to save the world," "We will conquer and destroy," and "ROAR! ROAR! ROAR! BANG! BANG! BANG! KABOOM! FIGHT!" Less money for the visuals (and potty humor) = more money for the story and characters. :)

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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby Noideaforaname » Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:36 pm

Live-action, CGI, stop motion, traditional animation, whatever the medium is will NOT change anything but how it looks.
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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:14 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought. Why do the movies have to be in live action? Why not make a completely CGI movie (with motion capture CGI)? No, I don't mean at the same uber-expensive level of super realistic CGI quality as these movies have right now. That would be outrageous. What I do mean is a CGI movie done in a similar art style to those of Beowulf and The Polar Express. Yes, it wouldn't look as realistic as real life, but the diminished animation quality would enable the bots to have more screentime and more character interactions/development than "We must fight to save the world," "We will conquer and destroy," and "ROAR! ROAR! ROAR! BANG! BANG! BANG! KABOOM! FIGHT!" Less money for the visuals (and potty humor) = more money for the story and characters. :)


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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby 5150 Cruiser » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:19 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought. Why do the movies have to be in live action? Why not make a completely CGI movie (with motion capture CGI)? No, I don't mean at the same uber-expensive level of super realistic CGI quality as these movies have right now. That would be outrageous. What I do mean is a CGI movie done in a similar art style to those of Beowulf and The Polar Express. Yes, it wouldn't look as realistic as real life, but the diminished animation quality would enable the bots to have more screentime and more character interactions/development than "We must fight to save the world," "We will conquer and destroy," and "ROAR! ROAR! ROAR! BANG! BANG! BANG! KABOOM! FIGHT!" Less money for the visuals (and potty humor) = more money for the story and characters. :)


I'd see it, but to most it would see as just another cartoon. Half the reason these stories are as successfull as they were were due to visulas. Meaning CGI against live action.
Now that its been done, a fully animated type movie would probbably do ok.

Noideaforaname wrote:Live-action, CGI, stop motion, traditional animation, whatever the medium is will NOT change anything but how it looks.


Very ture. Even if bay doesn't direct it, its all going to depend on whom ever gets the helm's "Vision".
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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby cotss2012 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:00 pm

Instead of degrading the quality of CGI used, why not just... I don't know... rely less on CGI, and more on stuff that's actually there? Animatronics and "guy in a suit" effects have served us pretty well in the past. Also, reducing the complexity of the transformations would take a chunk out of the CGI budget AND produce better-looking robots as a result.

Sabrblade wrote:Less money for the visuals (and potty humor) = more money for the story and characters. :)


Protip: good stories and good characters don't cost a cent more than crappy ones do.
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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby MINDVVIPE » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:02 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Protip: good stories and good characters don't cost a cent more than crappy ones do.


I don't believe that. You have to spend more time to come up with or refine your story and characters; that time is money. But I agree about the excesive need to make the CGI as complex as possible. Especially when the end result is just a blur of things happening to fast to really notice unless you paused it at every frame.
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Re: Steven Spielberg and Michael Bay on TF4

Postby SlyTF1 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:04 pm

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cotss2012 wrote:Instead of degrading the quality of CGI used, why not just... I don't know... rely less on CGI, and more on stuff that's actually there? Animatronics and "guy in a suit" effects" have served us pretty well in the past. Also, reducing the complexity of the transformations would take a chunk out of the CGI budget AND produce better-looking robots as a result.


Better looking my ass. They'd look like crap!!! A damn guy in a robot costume walking around and pretending to transform into a car does not look good.
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