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dylansdad wrote:Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
dylansdad wrote: Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote: I think the main point sto_vo_kor_2000 was making is Optimus Prime's "Behavior" is nothing new in TF. You just haven't seen it till now.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
dylansdad wrote:Sorry,my point of reference is the cartoons,I have never read the comics.I think the main issue that bothers me is:Transformers were created by Hasbro,wonderful toys aimed at boys,5 to 12 years old(by then we discover girls & the toys get forgotten!)Bay's movies are obviously aimed at teens to mature men,way too violent & sexualized for the original,younger audience.I took my 10 yr old son to see it, not really aware of the content(read a few reviews beforehand,no mention of extreme violence).The poor little guy was nearly in tears,people exploding,blood & guts flying everywhere,& afterwards,the questions."Why did Optimus kill Megatron after he helped him? Why did all the people die?"etc,etc. I have always used the cartoons as a moral guide for my son,they were something we could enjoy & relate to together.I feel betrayed.
dylansdad wrote: And I stand by my disgust of what Bay did to Optimus Prime. Heroes MUST be beyond reproach(Spiderman,Batman,Yoda,beware the darkside,anger,).
hope someone like Burton takes the reigns for the next installment.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
dylansdad wrote:You still don't get it,, Life is precious,irrespective of what they've done. The moment we lower ourselves to their lows,we become just as bad.
Who the heck did Batman kill??
Trying to think,,did he do it knowingly?
Or was it by inaction, or direct action?
& Rodimus Prime is a bad example of thoughtless brutality,,just a soldier thrust into authority b4 he was ready.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
dylansdad wrote:Hey,, st_vo_kor, you mention earlier in our discussion that you're "not a fan of the Bay films". What's your problem with them?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
dylansdad wrote:and it sits well with you that Optimus Prime is totally ruthless(ala Bin Laden) & Starscream is a blithering idiot, & Sentinal Prime is a wretched turncoat ???? Bad writing???? The whole thing sucks dog balls man!!!! not to mention our puny ,insect weapons do so much damage!!! I'm certain you,,or I,, would do the Transformers legend proud!!!!
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:dylansdad wrote:and it sits well with you that Optimus Prime is totally ruthless(ala Bin Laden) & Starscream is a blithering idiot, & Sentinal Prime is a wretched turncoat ???? Bad writing???? The whole thing sucks dog balls man!!!! not to mention our puny ,insect weapons do so much damage!!! I'm certain you,,or I,, would do the Transformers legend proud!!!!
Your comparison of Optimus Prime with Bin Laden is a poor one.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
dylansdad wrote:I have a big truck, a cherry picker(elevating work platform)with an autobot logo on the nose,we call him 'Loftimus Prime',my car has Autobot logos front & rear, Autobot Rio, I've constantly tried to show my young bloke 'the right way' to live, I've used Optimus Prime as our example.In ALL the toons, he is honourable & compassionate to a fault. Now I'm sad.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
dylansdad wrote:Sorry guys,still struggling with'quoting'& all the other quirks of social media.Cruiser's last post,wait till you have kids man!!
I used to be Catholic,but it turns out most priests are pedophiles,
& the catholic CHURCH has killed thousands in the name off our Lord.
Unfortunately the last Bay movie f#*ked me up the arse
And upskirting the current wench as she walked up the stairs was distasteful
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
dylansdad wrote:Sorry guys,still struggling with'quoting'& all the other quirks of social media.Cruiser's last post,wait till you have kids man!!I used to be Catholic,but it turns out most priests are pedophiles,& the catholic CHURCH has killed thousands in the name off our Lord.This sucks.I have always tried to be an upstanding rolemodel for my son.I've always tried to teach him the Main rules of life,'forgive those that trespass against us,Life is precious,etc,etc,. Super Heroes are usually good to help enforce my beliefs, Optimus Prime(in the toons)embodied all things I tried to emphasize. Unfortunately the last Bay movie f#*ked me up the arse(I didn't like it,I'm straight!)And seriously,the people exploding in the foreground was gratuitous & unnessary. And upskirting the current wench as she walked up the stairs was distasteful & illegal in every state in Aus!(nice butt but!)
dylansdad wrote:I used to be Catholic,but it turns out most priests are pedophiles
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:dylansdad wrote:Sorry guys,still struggling with'quoting'& all the other quirks of social media.Cruiser's last post,wait till you have kids man!!
I agree with everything he said, and I have 3 kids.I used to be Catholic,but it turns out most priests are pedophiles,
Do you know how ignorant you just sounded?
"MOST Catholic priests are pedophiles"???& the catholic CHURCH has killed thousands in the name off our Lord.
something shared by many religions.Unfortunately the last Bay movie f#*ked me up the arse
He wasnt any different in the first 2 films, so I really dont see why you were so shocked.And upskirting the current wench as she walked up the stairs was distasteful
So, you try to "be an upstanding role model for your son", teach him "the Main rules of life" and you feel up skirting a girl is "distasteful".
Yet, your ok with calling a woman a "WENCH" is ok?
I'm sorry but I think you have an odd view on whats an "upstanding role model" is.
Treetop Maximus wrote:Wow. Now we've got three idiots.
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