Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO.

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Wednesday, November 10th, 2010 9:47AM CST

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Seibertron.com member G1Sizzle has posted a part review part comparison guide on the previously revealed KO reissue of henkei Gentei Thundercracker. You can use this to distinguish the KO from the real deal.

G1Sizzle wrote:Since I bought two of the KO Henkei TCs, people have been asking me to review them so they'll know whether or not to purchase them. Here goes!

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This is the KO (left) standing next to the legit original Henkei Thundercracker (right). As you can see, there aren't a lot of differences between the two. The differences are mostly very very subtle. As you can see, though, the actual Henkei figure has its launchers held onto its arms by rubber bands, whereas the KO is actually able to support its own launchers. Your mileage may vary, though, as the launcher port on the KO's right arm (your left) is a little loose, but nowhere near as loose as the actual product.

To be perfectly frank, this KO is perhaps the best KO I have ever seen. It is sturdy, the transformation process is fluid, and the plastic quality feels like the real deal. I had no issues in transforming it, and it's actually a bit less floppy than the Henkei version. The only joints I thought were too stiff were on the bottom right tailfin, which took a little more pressure to fold up than I was comfortable with. Otherwise, the figure fits together in both modes quite comfortably. All in all, the KO has BETTER paint apps than the original, and holds its launchers better.

The only real problem was that one of the launchers was broken and the missile won't fit in correctly. A simple fix, really.

Simply put, if you want Thundercracker and can't afford the Botcon or Henkei versions, this guy is the one for you, and the price is unbeatable.

Now...I imagine a lot of you are wondering how you can avoid being taken in and buying the KO thinking you are getting the real deal. Well, I'm glad you asked, because I'm about to tell you how you can tell the difference between the two:

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The real Henkei version has a notch in the "knee pad" of TC's leg. The KO is perfectly squared.

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As you can see from the back of the two TCs' wings, the red on the Henkei version is a much lighter color. This is most noticeable on the wing backs, but is true for the whole figure. The KO figure's red is a much deeper red. Also, I feel like the blue on the KO is a tad deeper blue, and I'm quite sure that the cockpit is a MUCH deeper amber color.



As you can see, the alignment of the Decepticon sigil on the front of the wing is a bit off. That's only true on one wing of my KO, so I'm not certain that this is common to each figure. However, it is one of the few differences that can be detected BEFORE opening the packaging.

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This one is a dead giveaway. It's so small, it's almost unnoticeable, but there is a notch on each seeker's shoulder. On the real deal, the notch compromises the silver swatch. It's this way on every seeker that I have, including other KOs. But on this KO, the notch is significantly lower on the shoulder and doesn't cross into the silver swatch at all.

All things considered, I recommend this KO to people who don't have Thundercracker and can't afford him. And I hope this review helps those of you who want to know the difference.
Credit(s): G1Sizzle
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Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1144978)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on November 10th, 2010 @ 9:51am CST
kirbenvost wrote:It's unfortunate that the KO is better quality than the real deal... but at least there are ways to tell, as difficult as they may be to spot in-package. Thanks for the information!


Pretty ironic, isn't it?
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1144980)
Posted by Dead Metal on November 10th, 2010 @ 9:55am CST
I'm playing with the idea of buying these, so I could display these instead of my real ones and protect those from damage, especially TC keeps falling over.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1144987)
Posted by funklizard on November 10th, 2010 @ 10:16am CST
G1Sizzle wrote:Since I bought two of the KO Henkei TCs, people have been asking me to review them so they'll know whether or not to purchase them. Here goes!

Thanks a bunch for that!

The most distinctive bits (or, at least, the easiest to distinguish in photos) seem to me to be the subtle notches affecting the shoulder and kneecap paint apps.

Any chance you have the packaging around to compare as well?
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1144994)
Posted by Counterpunch on November 10th, 2010 @ 10:52am CST
G1Sizzle wrote:Since I bought two of the KO Henkei TCs, people have been asking me to review them so they'll know whether or not to purchase them. Here goes!


Outstanding work!
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145003)
Posted by g2grimmy64 on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:01am CST
Is that...silver paint replacing the gaudy chrome? If so, I'm sold! Personally, I don't mind using KO's as a TEMPORARY substitute for figs that either I can't currently afford, or Has/Tak has yet to release.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145004)
Posted by It Is Him on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:02am CST
Kudos to G1Sizzle! A very thorough and informative review. Much appreciated.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145009)
Posted by leokearon on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:22am CST
Wait, the site is trying to warn us that there are Knockoff's about and then they display a review endorsing them?

What kind of message is that sending?
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145011)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:32am CST
leokearon wrote:Wait, the site is trying to warn us that there are Knockoff's about and then they display a review endorsing them?

What kind of message is that sending?


The reviewer is in no way affiliated with Seibertron.com, so it's his opinion and his alone. The site takes no position in the matter, other than buying KO's is at your own risk.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145012)
Posted by leokearon on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:40am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
leokearon wrote:Wait, the site is trying to warn us that there are Knockoff's about and then they display a review endorsing them?

What kind of message is that sending?


The reviewer is in no way affiliated with Seibertron.com, so it's his opinion and his alone. The site takes no position in the matter, other than buying KO's is at your own risk.


Yet it still posts the review on the front page as news... I still think it gives the wrong message
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145013)
Posted by JelZe GoldRabbit on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:42am CST
leokearon wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
leokearon wrote:Wait, the site is trying to warn us that there are Knockoff's about and then they display a review endorsing them?

What kind of message is that sending?


The reviewer is in no way affiliated with Seibertron.com, so it's his opinion and his alone. The site takes no position in the matter, other than buying KO's is at your own risk.


Yet it still posts the review on the front page as news... I still think it gives the wrong message


It's merely for educational purposes, giving ways to tell the fake from the real deal. First one to do so.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145015)
Posted by leokearon on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:48am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
leokearon wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
leokearon wrote:Wait, the site is trying to warn us that there are Knockoff's about and then they display a review endorsing them?

What kind of message is that sending?


The reviewer is in no way affiliated with Seibertron.com, so it's his opinion and his alone. The site takes no position in the matter, other than buying KO's is at your own risk.


Yet it still posts the review on the front page as news... I still think it gives the wrong message


It's merely for educational purposes, giving ways to tell the fake from the real deal. First one to do so.


That would be true if it was just showing the comparisions but the article is clearly a review as well, if it was just a comparisions they that would be fine but since it is also a review that says that people should buy them if they can't get the offical ones that is the problem
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145017)
Posted by Vicalliose on November 10th, 2010 @ 11:52am CST
So, the reason you can tell the difference is because the KO doesn't suck as much as the original?
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145023)
Posted by Counterpunch on November 10th, 2010 @ 12:07pm CST
leokearon wrote:Wait, the site is trying to warn us that there are Knockoff's about and then they display a review endorsing them?

What kind of message is that sending?


Really now...

What's so hard to understand about the situation?

1. Hey, there's KO figures out there.

2. Here's a review of said KO figures, turns out that the quality is comparible to the originals. Buyer beward.

3. End of transmission.

Insert the following comments to suit your taste:

A. KO figures are made of pure evil from the deepest bowels of hell. Buying them infects countless Hasbro employees with herpes. Don't do it or you'll be haunted by the Ghost of Michael Jackson.

B. KO figures are super awesome. Just because you didn't go to BotCon over three years ago, and just because you passed on the open availability of the Henkei seekers doesn't mean that you shouldn't have everything you've ever wanted all the time 100%. Buy buy buy.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145043)
Posted by Vicalliose on November 10th, 2010 @ 12:45pm CST
Counterpunch wrote:B. KO figures are super awesome. Just because you didn't go to BotCon over three years ago, and just because you passed on the open availability of the Henkei seekers doesn't mean that you shouldn't have everything you've ever wanted all the time 100%. Buy buy buy.

This.

It's funny though. Even with the new found availability of these high quality KOs, I still wont be able to afford them. Partially due to the fact that I did recently spend a bunch of money on some KOs... which are all broken now (should've done more reading on those), but mostly because my mom is going into surgery soon. #-o

Ah well, 'you win some, but you loose more often than not.' :-(
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145065)
Posted by It Is Him on November 10th, 2010 @ 1:55pm CST
Vicalliose wrote:I did recently spend a bunch of money on some KOs... which are all broken now (should've done more reading on those)


Only because I'm curious: Which ones did you buy? High quality ones, or ones on cheapo blister cards?
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145069)
Posted by Vicalliose on November 10th, 2010 @ 2:11pm CST
It Is Him wrote:
Vicalliose wrote:I did recently spend a bunch of money on some KOs... which are all broken now (should've done more reading on those)


Only because I'm curious: Which ones did you buy? High quality ones, or ones on cheapo blister cards?

Ok, so they're not all broken, but as useless as they are to me now they might as well be.

I got them from KO toys, I don't blame them, I should have spent more time thinking about it.

They're not THAT terrible, but I still regret the purchase. One was a Classics Bumblebee whos wheel broke off, the other was a Classics Prime that has the arm kibble broken off, and a Megatron to re-paint gray but the foot broke off. I also got a [strike]Thrust[/strike] Ramjet to repaint into Dirge, but we all know what happened in that case. I got two other primes with them that aren't broken, but better versions have been seen since then.

Just wish I'd waited until I saw these to spend 50 bucks on KOs. :roll:

*edit* Aw jeez. It took me this long to realize I messed that up? #-o
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145075)
Posted by Dead Metal on November 10th, 2010 @ 2:27pm CST
leokearon wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
leokearon wrote:Wait, the site is trying to warn us that there are Knockoff's about and then they display a review endorsing them?

What kind of message is that sending?


The reviewer is in no way affiliated with Seibertron.com, so it's his opinion and his alone. The site takes no position in the matter, other than buying KO's is at your own risk.


Yet it still posts the review on the front page as news... I still think it gives the wrong message

I posted it on the front page as a means for people to check if the toy they're buying is real or a KO. Since the review was completely integrated into the comparison it was impossible to just post the comparison by itself without destroying the original posters work.
I had second thoughts about posting it, due to it also being a review, but decided to do so anyway since as you can see from this thread there where a lot of concerns as how to identify the KO from the real deal so that people don't overpay and get stuck with a copy.

It's also not the first time we posted something like this, and it won't be the last ether. Especially since 3 of these KOs here are of extremely rare and pricey figures. So the moment someone posts a comparison of those it will get posted, even if it contains a review.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145103)
Posted by Chaoslock on November 10th, 2010 @ 4:28pm CST
Damn bootleggers!

I demand they sell their bootlegs all over the world, not just in Japan!

(I hate exclusivity of figures)
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145151)
Posted by G1Sizzle on November 10th, 2010 @ 5:30pm CST
My review was meant to serve two purposes:

1. To answer the question "Are these KOs high quality or garbage?"

2. To let people know how they can determine whether or not what they have bought or are about to buy is KO.

I am in no way endorsing or condemning the practice of bootlegging. I do buy bootlegs from time to time. I almost have to, because I live in China, and the supply of legit products here is scarce. If someone chooses not to buy KOs or bootlegs, then I would think this review would be helpful to them also. And it's helpful to those who do, because they can make wise decisions about spending their money. Obviously, I already had a legit original. I bought this one as a curiosity.

I do think that these particular bootlegs bear paying special attention to them. This is the first time we're seeing high quality, if not equal quality bootlegs being made of not only modern toys, but high-priced exclusives. These are not just the G1 KOs, which have several distinctions that mark them as fake. These are near perfect duplicates of exclusives that a lot of people are going to be fooled by.

By the way, I have noticed from pictures of the KO Skywarp that the same notching differences in the shoulder and knee exist. So this TC review should also be helpful in distinguishing fake Skywarps too.
Re: Comparison review between Henkei Thundercracker and the KO. (1145186)
Posted by ???? on November 10th, 2010 @ 7:35pm CST
Hi guys , there is another KO-thundercracker on sell in china .


Check it here http://bbs.actoys.net/read.php?tid-540737.html
(see the whole thread)


That one is much better at details and quality(comparing with the old KO version).
As you can see , a "CHMS" logo is carved on its leg .

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