Roberto Orci: TF2 to Have 10 Robots on Each Side?

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[color=#FF0000:3mzsuukl]Sounds like enough...20 bots. Hopefully they can kill at least 8 of them off. How many were left from TF1??[/color:3mzsuukl]

Prime
BB
Ratchet
ironhide

SS
Barricade??
Bonecrusher??

Bonecrusher? Nope, he's dead. Scorponok though, is still alive and kicking. Good news by the way. Hopefully with this bigger budget we'll have a n actual 50/50 screentime with the robots and humans, or 60/40?

[color=#FF0000:3oag9fw4]Looks like the Autobots will be only adding 5 new bots instead of 6. lol[/color:3oag9fw4]

Am I the only one concerned about time restraints?

If they are going to have around 10 brand new robots to design/model/texture/animate and more importantly, render (with the current ones too, with promised extended robot action compared to TF1) they better get cracking on it if they want to complete it all for a June 09 release.

Maybe having more money this time, more resources might make it alright, but it seems like a lot to ask for in 12 months.

[quote="CJH":1hrl2dc2]Am I the only one concerned about time restraints?

If they are going to have around 10 brand new robots to design/model/texture/animate and more importantly, render (with the current ones too, with promised extended robot action compared to TF1) they better get cracking on it if they want to complete it all for a June 09 release.

Maybe having more money this time, more resources might make it alright, but it seems like a lot to ask for in 12 months.[/quote:1hrl2dc2]

There was a report that said that the 3D models were being worked on well before the writer's strike.

They have plenty of time, don't worry.

I think 10 per side is just a little much. I like the Transformers stories where there are fewer combatants per side at once (Beast Wars, Animated, the first live action movie). It allows for better character development.

I agree with Lord T. Character development takes precedence over quantity, in my opinion...
Combined with the inevitable human storyline(s), battles, time limit and the like, I'd rather have a smaller number of transformers so the writers can actually attempt some quality screentime for them, rather than slap each character with one stupid line at most and then commence with the frantic albeit epic fight scenes. 20 just sounds like waaaaaay too much to pull off a decent liveaction Bay movie.

[quote="Lord T":1q9uhkr1]I think 10 per side is just a little much. I like the Transformers stories where there are fewer combatants per side at once (Beast Wars, Animated, the first live action movie). It allows for better character development.[/quote:1q9uhkr1]
[color=#FF0000:1q9uhkr1]
Yea...you may be right. 20 is a high number. I'm hoping at least 8 of them can be killed (& stay dead) in battle. Well have to see how TF2 turns out.[/color:1q9uhkr1]

10 on each side? What I reckon we're likely to see with a dash of what I'd like i.e. Prowl, Wreckage and the Lambo twins

Autobots

Prime
Ratchet
Ironhide
Bumblebee
Jazz?
Prowl
Sideswipe
Sunstreaker
I'd like to see the Lambo twins if they interacted like they did in Dreamwave ongoing. Make Sunstreaker a badass not like his whiney IDW depiction. Plus the Botcon RID Prowl repaints fit the movie aesthetic.

Jetfire? I assume they want to give us some kind of TF dogfight.

Arcee, it's inevitable plus I'd be surprised to not see a few toy characters in there.

Decepticons

Starscream
Barricade
Frenzy (what a waste!)Didn't Death's Head ice him back in TFUK 113?
Scorponok, hopefully reformatted with a proper robot mode
Dead end, gotten a toy and a computer game appearance, drones would be nice

Shockwave, also in game
Wreckage, coolest toy only figure
Soundwave
Ravage
Megatron, bound to be in there somewhere

Love to see Blackout back somehow.

Important thing is we don't get Alpha Trion or any other bearded TF, apart from Scourge.

Energon Slugslinger and Sharkticon would make a great movie style Cyclonus and Scourge.

I'd like:

Prime
BB
Ironhide
Ratchet
Smokescreen
Jetfire/Silverbolt
Hot Rod/Rodimus(trademarked Hot Rod, for some reason, i think)
Prowl
Jazz?
(kinda hoping for Ultra Magnus, but that'd be difficult, perhaps?)


Galvatron
Starscream
Shockwave
Thundercracker
Wreckage
Soundwave
Ravage
Barricade
Cyclonus
Skywarp

12 months is a long time, I'm sure it can be done, especially with the amount of people they have working on it.

As for autobots, i'd like to see..
Magnus
Prowl
Hot Rod
Tracks
Wheeljack
Sideswipe
Inferno

And decepticons..
Blitzwing or Astrotrain
Skywarp.. probably unlikely
Soundwave, obviously
Shockwave
and maybe some new characters cause i really liked blackout.

AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET A LEADER CLASS STARSCREAM.. ya know.. a figure that actually looks like an F/A-22 Raptor.

i just hope they don't make up new autobots, i think there are enough awesome g1 characters to choose from.

More robots = More toys. I can't complain, and neither will Hasbro. :grin:

OH man that is awesome, the more the merrier. We already know some of the transformers who are in both sides, but is there enough to have a combiner! :???:

On EACH side? Considering that one of our early story breaks featured a three-way battle, could that mean 30? If there were only two sides, the story would read "either," but it's too common a grammatical error to go on. Still, this would keep the feeling of the Autobots being outnumbered. 20 'cons, who fortunately are more busy fighting each other than our side. The utter chaos that such a battle could present boggles the mind, which is probably exactly the sort of thing Bay would love.

[quote="Luketroop":2bdlhtm8]OH man that is awesome, the more the merrier. We already know some of the transformers who are in both sides, [b:2bdlhtm8]but is there enough to have a combiner![/b:2bdlhtm8] :???:[/quote:2bdlhtm8]

Most combiners have five or six bots in each one so even if there is a combiner in any of the movies it still leaves plenty of room for he rest of them...they also don't need to stay in gestalt mode the entire time.

B-)

If the Constructicons are there....I will be as happy as I was when they made Armada(the "G1" of my era). :D


But Bonecrusher might live, his head was cut off, but Frenzy still made it. Why can't he?(because he HATES his movie role)

Well, it was stated a while back that this film would have a lot more giant robots than the first film.

[quote="Sabrblade":megymuqc]Well, it was stated a while back that this film would have a lot more giant robots than the first film.[/quote:megymuqc]

A bigger budget means more bots indeed! ILM alone took forty million dollars as their fee for the first film so TF2's budget should be at least 175-200 million this time around you'd imagine.

Also, there is supposed to be a "better balance of robot to human" screen time and story line than the first film.

:D

More robots are cool, I just wish they'd make an announcement that they're including more CHARACTER this time. I'd take quality over quantity anytime.

Yeah, I posted this one on TFW2005, but the site seems to be down right now.

i think the 10 new autobots are
ultra magnus
rodimus
I would like hot shot to be in the movie
arcee
jetfire
wheeljack
sunstreaker
sideswipe
bluestreaker
and prowl

decepticons
astrotrain
cyclonus
blitzwing
scourge
motor master
thrust
ramjet
skywarp
thundercracker
and dirge

The more robots the better and more screen time.

Along with others, I don't necessarily think more robots will make it better... They had so few on the first movie and they still managed to barely give them any personalities. Really.

Oh well, here's hoping this run will be better.

autobots-
optimus prime
bumblebee
ratchet
ironhide
jazz(in g1 colors)
prowl
arcee
jetfire
mirage
sunstreaker
sideswipe

decepticons-
megatron
starscream
barricade
skorponok(reformatted)
soundwave
ravage
skywarp(not starscream recolor)
thundercracker(not starscream recolor)
shockwave
lazerbeak



and maybe some neutrals
dewbot
xbox robot
stockade

[quote="timothyVritchey":14aoyyhn]12 months is a long time, I'm sure it can be done, especially with the amount of people they have working on it.

As for autobots, i'd like to see..
Magnus
Prowl
Hot Rod
Tracks
Wheeljack
Sideswipe
Inferno

And decepticons..
Blitzwing or Astrotrain
Skywarp.. probably unlikely
Soundwave, obviously
Shockwave
and maybe some new characters cause i really liked blackout.

AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET A LEADER CLASS STARSCREAM.. ya know.. a figure that actually looks like an F/A-22 Raptor.[/quote:14aoyyhn]
[color=#FF0000:14aoyyhn]
Finally a legit list!!! This guy Tim knows the bizness!! Anywho I have no I idea about a wreckage...Id rather Wheelie.

Cyclonus/Scourge & Thundercracker/Skywarp in the same movie is a dumb idea. Thats like Robin & Nightwing in the same flick...cmon people stop with the WACKNESS!!

Check it out Tim...I think a triplechanger is a great idea. What do you think about Springer??
[/color:14aoyyhn]

[quote="CJH":3idb8wlh]
Maybe having more money this time, more resources might make it alright, but it seems like a lot to ask for in 12 months.[/quote:3idb8wlh]


[color=#FF0000:3idb8wlh]YOOOOOOOOO!!! CJH the Crazamatic One!!! Whats up FOOL!!!! Where you been?[/color:3idb8wlh] :D :D

Any chance that most of the robots will have more than 3 lines each, unlike the last movie?

[quote="primeoptimus":24ye4dm1]

and maybe some neutrals
[size=200:24ye4dm1][b:24ye4dm1]dewbot[/b:24ye4dm1][/size:24ye4dm1]
xbox robot
stockade[/quote:24ye4dm1]


I would love to see the return of the Dewbot to dispense more cans of sticky bright green liquid justice on the meatbags! :twisted:


:lol:

[quote="Scaleface":z6dvo5kq]Any chance that most of the robots will have more than 3 lines each, unlike the last movie?[/quote:z6dvo5kq]
[color=#FF0000:z6dvo5kq]
Well they say TF2 is suppose to have more Transformers storylines to follow. Not like TF1 where we had the Military, Hackers & Sector 7 stories eventually coming together near the end. And thats not including Sam's story.

I think Bay is starting to understand the responsibility of the Transformer Brand. Lets give him another chance. If he messes up TF2, well don't support TF3. I hoping he does TF2 right and makes a classic.[/color:z6dvo5kq]

[quote="***Galvatron***":276y91bq][quote="primeoptimus":276y91bq]

and maybe some neutrals
[size=200:276y91bq][b:276y91bq]dewbot[/b:276y91bq][/size:276y91bq]
xbox robot
stockade[/quote:276y91bq]


I would love to see the return of the Dewbot to dispense more cans of sticky bright green liquid justice on the meatbags! :twisted:


:lol:[/quote:276y91bq]




codename-dewbot
objective-destroy humans and autobots
weapons-a skull-crushing soda can gun
allies-none
disquise-human liquid disposal unit

10 robots on each side could have advantages as well as disadvantages. Yes it could mean more toys, which would make kids and collectors as well as Hasbro happy. But hopefully, the robots have more screen time so that there is more character development when comparing to the small amount that occurred in the first one.

10 on each side would be awesome, though I am concerned a little about character development and dialouge. But I'll have to wait and see for myself. That said, I'd like to see:

Optimus Prime
Ironhide
Ratchet
Bumblebee
Jazz (if the rumors are true)
Ultra Magnus
Hot Rod
Prowl
Arcee
Jetfire

Megatron
Starscream
Thundercracker
Skywarp
Soundwave
Shockwave
Blitzwing
Barricade
Ravage
Laserbeak

how about this-
autobots:
optimus
ratchet
bumblebee
ironhide
jazz(in g1 colors)
ultra magnus
arcee
wreck-gar
jetfire
sentinel prime

decepticons:
megatron(as an f-16)
starscream
thundercacker
skywarp
soundwave
ravage
barricade
skorponok
lugnut
blitzwing

With the way the first movie was shot, does it really matter who's included? I could hardly tell who was who once they started fighting.

Then again, if [color=#4000FF:1up3jgpk][b:1up3jgpk]Soundwave[/b:1up3jgpk][/color:1up3jgpk] is actually in Transformers 2...

[quote="ken_meredith":3ucj2mm7]With the way the first movie was shot, does it really matter who's included? I could hardly tell who was who once they started fighting.

Then again, if [color=#4000FF:3ucj2mm7][b:3ucj2mm7]Soundwave[/b:3ucj2mm7][/color:3ucj2mm7] is actually in Transformers 2...[/quote:3ucj2mm7]


I had no problems keeping up with the action and could tell who was who in every scene. I wear glasses and have for several years now and they are actually well worn and past their prime...maybe they were the glasses all the bots were looking for in the first movie ? :P

I fully agree the first movie could have been better but I still thought that it was a good start to this version of the TF franchise.

Anyway, the second film is supposed to have a better ratio of robot screen time to human screen time than the first...as far as dialog goes I will not expect a great depth in to characterization on each bot, maybe some in-fighting with the auto bot ranks for a change but that seems highly unlikely with the TF history and it will be on the Decepticon side especially with StarScream leaving the earth for reinforcements I bet but characterization can be followed up on in TF3 as well...we don't necessarily need a complete "back story" on every bot like they do on the characters on "Lost" at least not all at once as that would take up too much time and budget.

I think and hope TF2 will be an improvement on several levels but nobody should expect or demand perfection. :)

[quote="Cascadia":c7mkvc2e]10 robots on each side could have advantages as well as disadvantages. Yes it could mean more toys, which would make kids and collectors as well as Hasbro happy. But hopefully, the robots have more screen time so that there is more character development when comparing to the small amount that occurred in the first one.[/quote:c7mkvc2e]

[color=#FF0000:c7mkvc2e]Changes they won't be able to develop everyone for TF2. But focus on at least 8 of the 20 would be great IMO.

Cascadia who you like TF2 to focus on from TF1? [/color:c7mkvc2e]

[quote="Dragonslayer":36nicubx]10 on each side would be awesome, though I am concerned a little about character development and dialouge. But I'll have to wait and see for myself. That said, I'd like to see:

Optimus Prime
Ironhide
Ratchet
Bumblebee
Jazz (if the rumors are true)
Ultra Magnus
Hot Rod
Prowl
Arcee
Jetfire

Megatron
Starscream
Thundercracker
Skywarp
Soundwave
Shockwave
Blitzwing
Barricade
Ravage
Laserbeak[/quote:36nicubx]

[color=#FF0000:36nicubx]Thats a great list Drags. I really hope a triplechanger is in the mix as well.[/color:36nicubx]

If remeber the rejects for the first movie, I can make an educated guess.

Autobots
Optimus Prime (this is a real stretch... :lol:
Ironhide
Ratchet
Bumblebee
Wheeljack
Prowl
Arcee
Brawn
Hound
Hot Rod (maybe for the third)
Trailbreaker

Leaving one extra becasue somebody might die...

Decepticons ( this is so hard becasue they migh seriously make more movie exclusive chracters like Blackout, etc)

Starscream
Soundwave
Constructicons (five)
Blitzwing
Skywarp- name hasn't been used on any movie merchandice that I know of
Barricade as a leftover that migh die within the first 10 min
scorponok and ravage they are small though...
i Creative/unique decepticon

[quote="ultra tron":2aekzxen]If remeber the rejects for the first movie, I can make an educated guess.

Autobots
Optimus Prime (this is a real stretch... :lol:
Ironhide
Ratchet
Bumblebee
Wheeljack
Prowl
Arcee
Brawn
Hound
Hot Rod (maybe for the third)
Trailbreaker

Leaving one extra becasue somebody might die...

Decepticons ( this is so hard becasue they migh seriously make more movie exclusive chracters like Blackout, etc)

Starscream
Soundwave
Constructicons (five)
Blitzwing
Skywarp- name hasn't been used on any movie merchandice that I know of
Barricade as a leftover that migh die within the first 10 min
scorponok and ravage they are small though...
i Creative/unique decepticon[/quote:2aekzxen]




actually,the original cast from movie 1 were:
autobots:
optimus
bumblebee
ratchet
jazz
prowl
arcee
wheeljack

decepticons:
megatron
starscream
ramjet
shockwave
soundwave
ravage
bonecrusher

[quote="primeoptimus":31oeh4fc]



actually,the original cast from movie 1 were:
autobots:
optimus
bumblebee
ratchet
jazz
prowl
arcee
wheeljack

decepticons:
megatron
starscream
ramjet
shockwave
soundwave
ravage
bonecrusher[/quote:31oeh4fc]

[color=#FF0000:31oeh4fc]Cool...Im interested in seeing how they make Shockwave if they use him for TF2.[/color:31oeh4fc]

[quote="Coolyfett":3rdibisa][quote="primeoptimus":3rdibisa]



actually,the original cast from movie 1 were:
autobots:
optimus
bumblebee
ratchet
jazz
prowl
arcee
wheeljack

decepticons:
megatron
starscream
ramjet
shockwave
soundwave
ravage
bonecrusher[/quote:3rdibisa]

[color=#FF0000:3rdibisa]Cool...Im interested in seeing how they make Shockwave if they use him for TF2.[/color:3rdibisa][/quote:3rdibisa]



im thinking this-

http://darkratbat.deviantart.com/art/

or

http://mitgas.deviantart.com/art/

i did not make either of these

[quote="primeoptimus":rgvp84an]

[/quote:rgvp84an]



im thinking this-

http://darkratbat.deviantart.com/art/

or

http://mitgas.deviantart.com/art/

i did not make either of these[/quote]

f.y.i. both of those links lead to a page that says file not found . :?

[quote="***Galvatron***":v11y8sn5][quote="primeoptimus":v11y8sn5]

[/quote:v11y8sn5]



im thinking this-

http://darkratbat.deviantart.com/art/

or

http://mitgas.deviantart.com/art/

i did not make either of these[/quote:v11y8sn5]

f.y.i. both of those links lead to a page that says file not found . :?[/quote]




sorry, the link must not be working :-(

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... nstech.jpg

i know it is an old design,but with some minor chages it would fit.
his earth vehicle would be an f-1 racer with a supercharger and a gun turret on the front.

[quote="primeoptimus":2cxq4s88][quote="Coolyfett":2cxq4s88][quote="primeoptimus":2cxq4s88]



actually,the original cast from movie 1 were:
autobots:
optimus
bumblebee
ratchet
jazz
prowl
arcee
wheeljack

decepticons:
megatron
starscream
ramjet
shockwave
soundwave
ravage
bonecrusher[/quote:2cxq4s88]

[color=#FF0000:2cxq4s88]Cool...Im interested in seeing how they make Shockwave if they use him for TF2.[/color:2cxq4s88][/quote:2cxq4s88]



im thinking this-

http://darkratbat.deviantart.com/art/

or

http://mitgas.deviantart.com/art/

i did not make either of these[/quote:2cxq4s88]

[color=#FF0000:2cxq4s88]AWWWW!! Prime Optimus is that dude!! Much props I never seen those pics before. How long have they existed?[/color:2cxq4s88]

[quote="***Galvatron***":79d620n7][quote="ken_meredith":79d620n7]With the way the first movie was shot, does it really matter who's included? I could hardly tell who was who once they started fighting.

Then again, if [color=#4000FF:79d620n7][b:79d620n7]Soundwave[/b:79d620n7][/color:79d620n7] is actually in Transformers 2...[/quote:79d620n7]


I had no problems keeping up with the action and could tell who was who in every scene. I wear glasses and have for several years now and they are actually well worn and past their prime...maybe they were the glasses all the bots were looking for in the first movie ? :P

I fully agree the first movie could have been better but I still thought that it was a good start to this version of the TF franchise.

Anyway, the second film is supposed to have a better ratio of robot screen time to human screen time than the first...as far as dialog goes I will not expect a great depth in to characterization on each bot, maybe some in-fighting with the auto bot ranks for a change but that seems highly unlikely with the TF history and it will be on the Decepticon side especially with StarScream leaving the earth for reinforcements I bet but characterization can be followed up on in TF3 as well...we don't necessarily need a complete "back story" on every bot like they do on the characters on "Lost" at least not all at once as that would take up too much time and budget.

I think and hope TF2 will be an improvement on several levels but nobody should expect or demand perfection. :)[/quote:79d620n7]

[color=#FF0000:79d620n7]Galvy your post are always legit and I enjoy reading your thoughts. I agree perfection is not possible. Really really good IS. I also agree that TF2 & TF3 will have a better connection in compared to TF1 & TF2. They were not sure how TF1 would do. Bay states it all the time. TF1 did well. Hey they may even do TF4......Time will tell.[/color:79d620n7]

[quote="***Galvatron***":12e8ipii]
I would love to see the return of the Dewbot to dispense more cans of sticky bright green liquid justice on the meatbags! :twisted:


:lol:[/quote:12e8ipii]

I would absolutely love to see that.I would much rather see that kind of comedic scene they many of the ones from the first film.

[quote="Coolyfett":12e8ipii]
[color=#FF0000:12e8ipii]
Well they say TF2 is suppose to have more Transformers storylines to follow. Not like TF1 where we had the Military, Hackers & Sector 7 stories eventually coming together near the end. And thats not including Sam's story.

I think Bay is starting to understand the responsibility of the Transformer Brand. Lets give him another chance. If he messes up TF2, well don't support TF3. I hoping he does TF2 right and makes a classic.[/color:12e8ipii][/quote:12e8ipii]

I would personly like it better if they had found someone other then Bay to handle the TF franchise.

I have just never been a fan oh his movie making style.

I'm not saying that TF 1 was that bad but hopefully he does better with TF 2.

Not sure why this quote got picked up now since I said it months ago before we'd even started writing the script. May not be entirely accurate.

[quote="Roberto Orci":3my1xq4m]Not sure why this quote got picked up now sine I said it months ago before we'd even started writing the script. May not be entirely accurate.[/quote:3my1xq4m]

I suppose it would be stupid to ask what the new breakdown of bots/cons is? Pretty please :PRAY: