Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.
Dagon wrote:If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will.
Dagon wrote:He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.
To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.
Dagon wrote:If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will.
Dagon wrote:He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.
To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will.
Kyle Rayner, for a short time, wielded the power of all seven emotions, and Guy Gardener has used both Rage and Will simultaneously. Also, Yellow rings are fueled by the fear of the victim, not the wielder's willpower.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.
You should probably finish reading Sinestro Corps War; Hal and Kyle successfully subdue and arrest him, without killing him.
Dagon wrote:Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.
To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.
Yeah, and? The Lantern universe is filled with battles that are resolved through the use of force, and no one there has had any issue with constructs not being permanent. Constructs get broken all the time.
Dagon wrote:Yeah, and Sinestro was the original (meaning in this case, the first person to) wield the White Light, which was all the colors of the spectrum in their unified form.
Dagon wrote:Kyle didn't wield all the lights, he ended up being 'chosen' by all seven rings, but he never wore any of them in that instance.
Dagon wrote:Yes, Hal and Guy subdue him, shortly after which he escapes from Oa in search of more mischief.
Dagon wrote:I would have to say that seeing as he was able to get back into action that would indicate Hal and Guy didn't kill him, and honestly, that sort of supports my initial point. Yeah, they subdue him, but he just kept on doing his Sinestro thing, and in fact does so to this day. Subduing someone is different from killing them.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining.
To a limit, it turns out. Constructs aren't indestructible.
Yeah, and? The Lantern universe is filled with battles that are resolved through the use of force, and no one there has had any issue with constructs not being permanent. Constructs get broken all the time.
So then why did you bring it up? It's hardly a power unique to Sinestro, and it's imperfect; anyone sufficiently strong can break through it.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:Yeah, and Sinestro was the original (meaning in this case, the first person to) wield the White Light, which was all the colors of the spectrum in their unified form.
He was possessed by the The Entity, at least until Nekron removed it from him, then it possessed Hal, who actually managed to use it.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:Kyle didn't wield all the lights, he ended up being 'chosen' by all seven rings, but he never wore any of them in that instance.
Nope, he actually did wield all seven rings at once. Then he passed out from the stress of trying to wield all seven rings at once.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:Yes, Hal and Guy subdue him, shortly after which he escapes from Oa in search of more mischief.
First off, Hal and Kyle. Second, no, he was broken out by the remnants of the Sinestro Corps, then kidnapped by the Red Lanterns, then rescued again by the Sinestro Corps.
[/quote]Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:I would have to say that seeing as he was able to get back into action that would indicate Hal and Guy didn't kill him, and honestly, that sort of supports my initial point. Yeah, they subdue him, but he just kept on doing his Sinestro thing, and in fact does so to this day. Subduing someone is different from killing them.
And? Every supervillain does that.
Dagon wrote:So then, how is Loki better? Wouldn't Loki do supervillain things as well? I'm not sure how this is a refutation either.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:So then, how is Loki better? Wouldn't Loki do supervillain things as well? I'm not sure how this is a refutation either.
That's a good question: How does Sinestro's persistence, a fundamental aspect of every major comic book villain, make him better than Loki? We're talking about a God who, at least in the movies, it took a beating from the Incredible Hulk to keep him down just long enough to subdue him, and he's still confirmed to be an antagonist in the next Thor movie.
Dagon wrote:So, I guess my question is how does getting beaten up by a hero and living, which has also happened to a number of supervillains, make Loki a better villain than Sinestro?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:So, I guess my question is how does getting beaten up by a hero and living, which has also happened to a number of supervillains, make Loki a better villain than Sinestro?
Is there a point to all of this? I feel like you're building up to something but so far all you've done is basically say what Sinestro can do, while ignoring that Loki is also capable of it. Except Loki is a God and doesn't need a ring to use his powers.
Dagon wrote:I'm going to say Sinestro. He has subjugated entire planets in this universe and its' anti-matter equivalent, and the power of his ring is that it allows him to create anything he is capable of imagining. If we're talking Sinestro Corps Sinestro, he effectively wields the power of two spectrums, being Fear and Will. He is a fearless and ruthless guy who has beaten some of his unverses' baddest asses. He's also relentless, and in order to actually beat him, you must kill him. I don't mean like "hurr need to kill him!" I mean, you would literally have to kill him.
Loki's a god, sure. But in the Avengers the Hulk knocked him out. Loki's pretty cool as well, but Sinestro, man, Sinestro is an unstopping force.
Dagon wrote:Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:So, I guess my question is how does getting beaten up by a hero and living, which has also happened to a number of supervillains, make Loki a better villain than Sinestro?
Is there a point to all of this? I feel like you're building up to something but so far all you've done is basically say what Sinestro can do, while ignoring that Loki is also capable of it. Except Loki is a God and doesn't need a ring to use his powers.
Funny, as if I switch the order of character names, that question is applicable to you as well. I can even accuse you of ignoring the fact that Sinestro has powers without needing to be a god.
Dagon wrote:Nowhere in any of my posts was any denial that Loki is persistent etc., but you've made it seem that all I've done is say that that's all that Sinestro is.
You brought up constructs being breakable, and that Sinestro had been 'subdued' before, as though to say that Loki somehow never has been.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:
Opinion means nothing here.
Dagon wrote:Shadowman wrote:
Opinion means nothing here.
That sounds like an opinion to me, so you have fun with that.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dagon wrote:Shadowman wrote:
Opinion means nothing here.
That sounds like an opinion to me, so you have fun with that.
Aside from "Sinestro can beat Loki" everything else you've said doesn't qualify as opinion, because I can actually look up whether it's true or not. You have no idea how sick I am of people saying whatever they want, then hiding behind the word "opinion" expecting for it to automatically make them right.
Dagon wrote:The nature of an opinion is that, no matter how infuriatingly stupid one may find it, it is absolutely correct to the person who holds it.
Dagon wrote:You decided to fixate on my mentioning his relentless nature, the only reason I can think of that you did that is because it was the last thing my initial post contained and for some unexplained reason, you took that to represent my entire thought.
Dagon wrote:Yes, I said what I wanted to, and I'll do it again too. I'm not 'hiding' behind anything. I gave my thoughts. That's all. You want to really objectively solve this debate? You go get Loki, I'll call Sinestro and we'll have them fight it out in my backyard. Or your backyard, I don't care. That's the only 'objective' way that this can be solved, because no matter what objective observations you make, all I have to do is not agree, for whatever reasons, and then nothing is proven. That's the kind of hiding behind opinions that you're angry about, like if I said "No, Sinestro wins because lol I liek him morez!" and that's not what I'm doing.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Dagon wrote:Ok. Once again then, you have a good time doing that.
As it turns out, a person absolutely can claim "lol opinion," and the idea that such a practice bothers you is proof that people have done it and that supports te idea that it indeed can be done. So just for you Shadowman, Sinestro wins because I like him more.
Dagon wrote:Enjoy having the last word, you're obviously going to have to have it.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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