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Evil_the_Nub wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.
The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.
Why do people who make an argument for or against the movie always fall back on G1? That's not the only Transformers story out there. There have been WAAAAAAY better tellings of the story since G1. If writers and directors are only going off of G1 then they'll never do it justice.SlyTF1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.
The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.
I noticed the same damn thing while I've been watching G1 the past few weeks. At least the movies try to have a story.
Being cold and menacing is one thing, but to me he really does not have the "calculating" aspect. Up until Unicron shorted him at the end of the season he just acted like a power mad lunatic. Maybe I'm just too enthralled by the Megatron in the comics.Sodan-1 wrote:Megatron's personality (I think he's a properly cold mutha trucker)
Truer words are rarely spoken.G1 Legacy wrote:TRANSFORMERS has become a victim of its own success.
Vicalliose wrote:Why do people who make an argument for or against the movie always fall back on G1? That's not the only Transformers story out there. There have been WAAAAAAY better tellings of the story since G1. If writers and directors are only going off of G1 then they'll never do it justice.SlyTF1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:GetRightRobot wrote:It's not so much Bay's style that confounds me. Actually, explosion obsession goes well with waring alien robots. It's everything else. A lot is the scripting. Terrible story telling. I know the movies grossed a metric $*&(^ ton of money, but they (all 3) got terrible reviews from not only critics, but many fans. The movies fall into an all flash, no substance category for me. It's as if, they don't really count. My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development. These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.
The G1 cartoon wasn't that special either, but people are still enamored with it. So enamored in fact that it's practically a weird obsession. It was a 30 minute toy commercial and nothing more. No great character development, no deep stories, just a bunch of robots looking cool so kids would cry and scream for their parents to buy the toys. And you know what? We loved it anyway.
I noticed the same damn thing while I've been watching G1 the past few weeks. At least the movies try to have a story.
NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:me and my friends combine all the time. Sometimes I even combine by myself if no one is around.
The people who cannot even come up with good arguments do irritate me. But it's getting to a point that the people who defend the movies mention it more often than we do.Evil_the_Nub wrote:Because that's what the people complaining the loudest always want "Moar Geewun!!" "Make the robots look like they're made of bland detail-less cardboard boxes like in Geewun!" "Use the exact same 1980's vehicles from Geewun, even though you never see on the road anymore" They've got their nostalgia goggles on so tight it's cutting off the blood flow to their brains. I know the movies have their flaws, but making it "moar Geewun!" is only going to make it worse. More character development and less human shenanigans, that's fine, I welcome it. Making the bots look like they were designed by a 5 year old and giving them outdated alt modes? Terrible ideas.
Vicalliose wrote:The people who cannot even come up with good arguments do irritate me. But it's getting to a point that the people who defend the movies mention it more often than we do.
I always personally thought it made more sense that Cybertronians used their alt-mode parts as armor. I just think that the outright buglike appearance they used in the Bay films was a little overboard. Optimus' design in the movies is about where I'd like everyone in a realistic film to be, with the exception is his faec. I believe they should have something a little more humanoid covering their terminator face.
I mean why not? It's not as if them having a face or teeth in the first place makes any sense.
Also, to be fair, several of the Autobots have car modes based on concept cars. Those shouldn't be all that common on the road either. In fact, depending on where you live, you should see old cars more commonly than anything else. It's not like flat-nose trucks have completely disappeared. And in the case of characters like Bumblebee, his alt mode doesn't even reflect his character or name sake. They could have chosen any modern compact car if they wanted to.
MINDVVIPE wrote:Vicalliose wrote:The people who cannot even come up with good arguments do irritate me. But it's getting to a point that the people who defend the movies mention it more often than we do.
I always personally thought it made more sense that Cybertronians used their alt-mode parts as armor. I just think that the outright buglike appearance they used in the Bay films was a little overboard. Optimus' design in the movies is about where I'd like everyone in a realistic film to be, with the exception is his faec. I believe they should have something a little more humanoid covering their terminator face.
I mean why not? It's not as if them having a face or teeth in the first place makes any sense.
Also, to be fair, several of the Autobots have car modes based on concept cars. Those shouldn't be all that common on the road either. In fact, depending on where you live, you should see old cars more commonly than anything else. It's not like flat-nose trucks have completely disappeared. And in the case of characters like Bumblebee, his alt mode doesn't even reflect his character or name sake. They could have chosen any modern compact car if they wanted to.
There you go. Theres how it can be G1 and still kick ass. Just look to the comics. And ya, I don't think I've seen a concept sting ray like sideswipe on the road, but I have seen lots of lamborghinis that could be red OOOHHH right i forgot, this is also a long car commercial to sell american sponsored cars. pft
If they atleast looked like the models from TF Prime, that would be a fair and excellent comprimise imo.
Hypershock wrote:When the hell did you ever see a car carrier that looked like G1 ultra magnus? or a handgun the size of a building? Or anything that looked like rodimus?
MINDVVIPE wrote:Hypershock wrote:When the hell did you ever see a car carrier that looked like G1 ultra magnus? or a handgun the size of a building? Or anything that looked like rodimus?
I'm not saying that there are real car counterparts for every vehicle mode transformer, i'm saying why NOT use the ones that really DO have real car counterparts when they always have. Either way, I really don't care if its not the exact same car... but bee is WAY off in regards to his usual tiny car look... Jazz got downgraded from a porshe to a crappy pontiac solstice (crappy enough compared to the porsche).I would have loved to see Starscream find some jet hangar and scan a F-15. It would have looked so sick to see a clearly inferior jet (to the F-22) surprise everyone by pwning and then transforming to bot mode and then back to jet instead of the OBVIOUS choice of being the best of the best of the current fighter craft. Megatron can mass shift to be a gun, but whatever, I don't mind the tank/jet modes. But I prefer the WFC mode WAAAY more than the mass of metal crap on treads from the movie.
The movie aesthetic really didn't do anything for me other than make each TF look pretty much the same as the other except for the first movie which atleast had some distinction between all of them. The movie toys make better onscreen models since they atleast look more cohesive.
The TF Prime look, as I said, nails it, as its still crazy articulate, but still armoured and closed-forming (I don't know how else to describe it)
Also, im not trying to be agro about any of this, just nerdly back and forths is all i intend.
GetRightRobot wrote: My complaint, is that as long as the movies continue the way they are going, it will always be a joke, summer action flick with no merit for story telling or character development.
GetRightRobot wrote: These movies will not impact another generation like previous iterations of transformers have. Why? because every movie now has jaw dropping special effects, 3d features and T & A. They are not special or exceptional in any way.
Vicalliose wrote:Also, to be fair, several of the Auto bots have car modes based on concept cars. Those shouldn't be all that common on the road either. In fact, depending on where you live, you should see old cars more commonly than anything else. It's not like flat-nose trucks have completely disappeared. And in the case of characters like Bumblebee, his alt mode doesn't even reflect his character or name sake. They could have chosen any modern compact car if they wanted to.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
MINDVVIPE wrote: Batman seemed to have been brought out of being a joke (to the general batman movie watchers) to being this awesome character that pretty much everyone who has seen the movie appreciates in a more legitimate way.
MINDVVIPE wrote: And to answer your question, I would love to see a red van chasing down a decepticon (who is now the obviously way cooler ride) with miniguns transforming out of it. And then have that same red van suddenly turn into this badass robot that actually offers somthing new, where people can go, woo (I have to stop rhyming) thats a sweet ass van. And if your gonna argue vans aren't cool...
A-team.
MINDVVIPE wrote: The pickup truck isn't bad though... its just that nothing would have made me think Ironhide, watching the movie, other than the fact that they named him ironhide. If anything, I would have thought trailbreaker.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
MINDVVIPE wrote:hehe, in regards to being made fun of for being a tf fan or wearing the apparel.. or having a decepticon tattoo for that matter, i've always gotten nothing but compliments from people who reckognize, or chicks that dig the tat. I guess it helps that i'm notlookin.
the one time i was ever annoyed by someone who reckognized my tf apparel; The guy mentioned how the Decepticons got their asses handed to them... coz all he had seen was the movie. True story.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Your right, you should see more old cars than fancy concepts and shiny cool sports cars and whatnot. But lets be honest.. what would you rather see on screen? Or should we say what would the average movie goer see? A red minivan, or lifted blacked out Top Kick truck? A minivan with a red beacon, or a custom Hummer H2 rescue vehicle? And while yes...They could have just given bumble Bee any compact car alt mode, there's no car on the planet that could hav given the wow factor that the 2010 camaro concept did when it was first seen on screen. I saw the first movie in theaters 3 times and all three times people cheered and clapped. People want flash.
Using the same alt modes as the 80's wasn't going to work. A fresh take was needed, and that means new alt modes. They could have used a flat nosed semi, but is that really a big deal that Optimus is a long nose Peterbuilt?
Vicalliose wrote: I wasn't suggesting they use all 80s alt modes either, something a little more faithful would suffice. It would also help if they got more than half of the characters colors right, there's no good excuse for that. And Bumblebee isn't meant to exist for his "wow factor" in case you've completely forgotten. Besides, if you need a car to be the "wow factor" of a movie about giant transforming robots, then I think you need your priorities straightened out.
Also screw GMC. Go Ford Mustang!
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Can't think of a better argument, so you chose to pick on the few characters which were particularly ridiculous.Hypershock wrote:When the hell did you ever see a car carrier that looked like G1 ultra magnus? or a handgun the size of a building? Or anything that looked like rodimus?
Cars don't sell movies, movies sell cars. Which is another thing that irritates me about people in general. People go out and buy expensive cars because they were in a movie and they were cool. Then they end up with a truckload of debt because they dropped more cash than sensible on something that's meant to get them from point A to point B, but that's going into a whole different world of BS, so I'll stop there.5150 Cruiser wrote:Products sell my friend. That was true in the 80's cartoon and its still true today. No, the Camaro wasn't the only wow factor of the movie. For me the biggest "wow" factors was when Blackout and Optimus first transformered. But you can't get on someone for liking that one of the most anticipated cars of the last 10yrs is included in a movie about TF robots.
It would help if they didn't outright choose grey and black for the majority of the characters. One of the biggest complaints against the films is how hard it is to distinguish anyone.5150 Cruiser wrote:As far as colors go, thats more prefferance. For me it didn't make a differance concidering there colors have been changed thoughout nearly all TF series. (with the biggest exception being optimus He's always been red and blue from what i can remember). Some wouldn't have worked at all (starscreams G1 colors wouldn't have worked on any modern aircraft).
I'm pretty sure Bay pockets most of that extra cash. He should be getting plenty of funding from Paramount and I've seen other movies which do not smother us with product placement pull of effects as good as his. I just find it weird that his films make it feel like GMC is the only car company in the world.5150 Cruiser wrote:Ya, some of the alt modes could have been simular to G1 i guess (i would have preffered Jazz to be a Porche than a solstice), but when a major car comapny comes in a helps foot the bill, its hard to turn that down. politics yes, but it always has been since 84'.
but your right. I've always been a Mustang fan first, but had to admit it was cool to see the new Camaro on screen in 07', and though i still preffer Ford's, they did a pretty good job with the Camaro.
Josh Duhamel wrote:"I don't think anybody's doing it," Josh Duhamel told us last night at the launch party for Sony PlayStation's new PS Vita portable entertainment system. "I know Shia [LaBoeuf]'s not doing it. I don't think Tyrese or Rosie [Huntington-Whiteley] or anybody else is doing it."
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"Whenever these movies make that much money they're going to make as many as they can," he said. "[But] I haven't heard anything about it. They haven't called me."
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
SJ21 wrote:Well. If Oscar-worthy actor, Josh Duhamel isn't doing it, what chance does this movie have of being any good?
Ha!
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