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[dedcat]

Well, I'm not happy and even less surprised, but would you really want a good writer to squeeze out the next stinker in this legacy of turd's?

[Swiftknife24]

I just got home from seeing the Avengers. If they sack Ehren Kruger and Michael Bay right now and hire Joss Whedon that would be awesome. Going by what he just did, I think it would be something special.

Hah! This is kinda what I said on my Twitter the other day...

It's all about character in my opinion. I know it's difficult to juggle loads of personalities with both Cybertronian AND human sides. Whedon, as said, is AMAZING with multiple characters/ensembles. Thing is; Kruger isn't a bad writer and Bay is a good technical & action director...But when it boils down to character and how they are part of narrative, we need someone like Whedon.

And yes, that means treating both the Decepticons AND Autobots like characters and not like mindless drones!

[synthetik]

I know this thing is being greenlit for making dosh but can we stop dragging TF's good name through puddles of shit mud? Call it something else, give it some cool lore than hasbro can sell TFs and "insert shitty bayformer robot title here".

It took me a year or so to finally watch dark side of the moon and I was ashamed to be a TF fan afterwards.

[SlyTF1]

I know this thing is being greenlit for making dosh but can we stop dragging TF's good name through puddles of shit mud? Call it something else, give it some cool lore than hasbro can sell TFs and "insert shitty bayformer robot title here".

It took me a year or so to finally watch dark side of the moon and I was ashamed to be a TF fan afterwards.

Oh well.

Yes, there were the obvious plotholes (especially in revenge)

No there weren't.

[Burn]

I don't get all the hate for Orci and Kurtzman. I think Transformers Prime proves that they were not the problem.

Agreed. They wrote the first movie which I absolutely loved. And we all know how awesome TF Prime is. I have zero problem with those two.

They're not writing TF Prime though. They're simply only producers. If we're going to give credit to producers then people should either be forming a lynch mob for, or think the sun shines out of Don Murphy's butt.

So yes, Orci and Kurtzman were very much the problem. They couldn't come up with an original idea between them. Take a look at their track record of writing and see that their big "successes" are based on franchises that have decades of mythology.

[TheForgottenTaxi]

So yes, Orci and Kurtzman were very much the problem. They couldn't come up with an original idea between them. Take a look at their track record of writing and see that their big "successes" are based on franchises that have decades of mythology.

Riiiight. Which obviously makes them a terrible choice to work on this franchise with decades of mythology.

[Autobot032]

I swear, your comedy has gotten to the level of G1 Starscream since we put staff colours on you.

I...had to. I was compelled. It was there, begging me to do it.

I don't get all the hate for Orci and Kurtzman. I think Transformers Prime proves that they were not the problem.

Anyway, this is just another sign that we're in for more of the same crap with TF4. All I can say about that is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YxChiuA398

Oh no. Prime does prove they are the problem. I love Prime, I think it's an excellent series, but it has flaws. Many of which can be seen in the movies.

I've gone over it in detail before, but here's the Cliff Notes version:

TF1: Boring. Some of that was due to cost, but some of it was due to their writing. They can drag out a story like crazy.
TF2: Some of the zaniness came from Bay's input, I don't deny that, but seriously, you could tell which parts belonged to them and which ones didn't. (The boring segments were their's.)
The Legend Of Zorro: B O R I N G. And waaaay too long. When the movie was like 50% over, it felt like the end of the movie. He had rescued his son, story was over. Right? WRONG. Another hour, maybe even 1.5 to go. Egads.
Star Trek: Kirk, a klutz? Really? The guy couldn't keep himself from going over a cliff. He was either narrowly escaping death on one, or dangling from it. And he couldn't fight worth a damn. Really? REALLY?
Hawaii Five-0: Great show. Draggy episodes, story arcs going on for too long, people getting offed when there's no need, other episodes are hollow and rushed.

And then we get to Prime. Rushed episodes, hollow episodes, draggy episodes, characters getting offed for no good reason, arcs going on for far too long, abrupt endings, and a clip show already? Really? No excuse.

The only good work they've done was Mission: Impossible III. It was entertaining, it was fast paced and wasn't a bad story. I think the thrill and fame went to their heads.

I don't get all the hate for Orci and Kurtzman. I think Transformers Prime proves that they were not the problem.

Agreed. They wrote the first movie which I absolutely loved. And we all know how awesome TF Prime is. I have zero problem with those two.

They're not writing TF Prime though. They're simply only producers. If we're going to give credit to producers then people should either be forming a lynch mob for, or think the sun shines out of Don Murphy's butt.

So yes, Orci and Kurtzman were very much the problem. They couldn't come up with an original idea between them. Take a look at their track record of writing and see that their big "successes" are based on franchises that have decades of mythology.

And they're still a problem, at least for Prime. People seem to think that producers don't have much input or power, but they actually do. They let them loose on TF1 and ROTF. It showed. People blame Bay for so much, but people overlook O & K. I just don't understand why.

I have to admit, Prime, on the whole, is leaps and bounds better than the film series. It really is, but it has imperfections and they need to be addressed.

[MINDVVIPE]

What you just said.

I actually agree with you. Wow. haha. The prime shows do have flaws that I hope they fix in some form. It is why I can understand MegatronWolf wanting a reboot. It still has some dragginess that tends to put me off, story-wise. I love the characters, and their dialogue, but I sometimes feel the very core of the story needs something more... surprising. Inside Unicron was awesome, but Unicrons death somehow didn't feel right, even though its obvious that was how he might die, from unleashing the Matrix. Still, felt like Unicron allowed it to easily, and thats sort of the problem I see similar to the movies. Things come to a conclusion in a sort of... formulaic way? running out of time way? I dunno.

A good example of Unicron battling the mere mortal Cybertronians and such is found in the Marvel TF Comics (forgot the issue number) called "The end?" One of the few older comics I own in hard copy, and pretty much the entire comic is a battle against Unicron. He even goes up again the Dark Matrix or something like that? Pretty sick stuff, check it out if you can.

Either way, Prime is waaaay better than the flicks.

[YRQRM0]

Dang...I just don't see how they can squeeze out another decent movie...everyone's DEAD.

And yes, I did say the others were decent, but no doubt flawed.

[Autobot032]

Either way, Prime is waaaay better than the flicks.

Well...SHYEAH!