Seibertron.com Energon Pub Forums

The legends Insecticons just don't look good and I feel they should come out in deluxe sizing .
Dinobots sorry but that combiner mess is horrible and the Fanstoys are like 500 bucks per bot . I think all 5 dinobots should be voyager size .

The only reason to make the Insecticons Deluxe-class is accessories. And they all look reasonably detailed and accurate (well, aside from Shrapnel having proper bug legs instead of G1-accurate wheeled runners pretending to be bug legs ). I rate the chances of getting them in the WFC trilogy as middling.

The PotP Dinobots are not horrible and nor is Volcanicus, although having larger versions of The Four Ss would be more ideal for scaling. As for their chances.. probably low. We certainly won't get them all in a single line.

Also, of course the Fanstoys ones are pricey: They're MP-level, not pseudo-Classics. The 3P companies have largely forsaken pseudo-Classics outside of the five dozen Devastators and Predakings, in favor of pseudo-MPs and their own proprietary scales.

I have no idea on either. I'd say Insecticons would be higher than Dinos since there are only three of them.

I think there's no hope for non-Grilock Dinobots. Especially voyager sized. Getting four unique molds in the same sort of color scheme? Coming out all at once? I just can't see it happening. Of course that's just my own speculation.

Personally I like the Platinum versions better than the Primes ones. Sure they aren't G1, but they succeed since they aren't being mediocre versions of toys I like. The SDCC ones are great too since they have translucent yellow to make the look work better. The price went down a lot since the Platinum release came out. But their heads aren't G1 if that's your thing.

If you want to branch out to 3rd party voyagers, I think Fansprojects did it best. G1, but very updated. I really like the look overall. Fanstoys are MPs, over leader class. If you like Classics sized figures that makes them about as tall as combiners ... too tall, I think.

Planet X's are really good too, but lose out since they aren't all voyagers and aren't very G1 (G1 is very much my bag). However I managed to break Snarl's tail since I forgot how to transform him out of Dino mode ... that tail can be fragile. And a peg in Slag's leg broke off too since it worked a bit too well pegging his tail in place in robot mode. It doesn't stop him from working, but it's a shame.

Toyworld's are good individually, but suffer in combined mode. Combined mode actually doesn't detract from any of the figures ... except for Swoop, who's the worst of the 3rd party Swoops I have. There's a KO of this version out now that I think might hold together better.

How about the Transformers 86 movie line ?

Gauntlet, I own all five G1 Dinobots and the PotP ones are hardly mediocre. The only knocks comparison-wise are Slag lacking wings the and reduced accessory count. But considering all the improvements in articulation and the fact that HasTak managed to do something about SLAG'S STUPID TRICERATOPS TAIL...

There's virtually no way we're getting them in Earthrise, since as far as we know there's only one wave of it left and that's not enough to cram all the Insecticons AND all the Dinobots into. They could maybe be in the final part of the trilogy though, especially since Shrapnel's presence on the Earthrise fan poll would suggest Hasbro does have plans to do Insecticons again.

Bombshell0001 wrote:How about the Transformers 86 movie line ?

Assuming you mean the Studio Series listings, we do already have a Leader Grimlock + Wheelie listing, it's how we found the SS 86 stuff in the first place, but nothing regarding the rest of the Dinobros.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote::roll:
The only reason to make the Insecticons Deluxe-class is accessories. And they all look reasonably detailed and accurate (well, aside from Shrapnel having proper bug legs instead of G1-accurate wheeled runners pretending to be bug legs ).

Or maybe people just want bigger versions of the characters? Especially given the Insecticons being average/larger size in all non-G1 media and them actively changing size as a plot point within G1, I not only can see why people want bigger versions but also actively want them myself. Make them Refraktor-sized if anything. That, and accessories would be nice.

Shrapnel was included in the poll that yielded Runamuck, so there were some plans to include him at the very least. If anything, that would have included his fellow 'hopper Ransack.

And bigger isn't always better, folks. Trust me

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The PotP Dinobots are not horrible and nor is Volcanicus.

Matter of opinion. I like the 4 deluxe dinos, even if I agree that at least Snarl and Sludge should have been voyager sized. Swoop and Slag were smaller, so deluxe is good for them. But of course they had to accommodate that shitshow of a combiner, so they got ruined. Don't get me started on Grimlock (again).

As for the Insecticons, I'm happy with the legends figures, they scale well on my G1 shelves. I wouldn't **** on deluxe versions, but I probably wouldn't buy them.

As for the probability of their arrival in WFC, I think it's low. Maybe Grimlock will finally get a decent upgrade of the G1 figure, but the others are low on the priority list.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The PotP Dinobots are not horrible and nor is Volcanicus.

Matter of opinion. I like the 4 deluxe dinos, even if I agree that at least Snarl and Sludge should have been voyager sized. Swoop and Slag were smaller, so deluxe is good for them. But of course they had to accommodate that shitshow of a combiner, so they got ruined.

Ruined? I thought you said you liked them In any case, they didn't. Because the ONLY changes made to them to accommodate Volcanicus were the hand/foot sockets and replacing the Diaclone cockpits with combiner pegs. And Slag got a major upgrade to how his tail is dealt with in robot mode (For those unaware, on the G1 toy, Slag's tail is a contender for Clunkiest Piece of Kibble on a Transformer Ever; the best you can do is hide it under his hollow feet). Or were you talking about Grimlock with that "ruined" remark?

Rodimus Prime wrote:Don't get me started on Grimlock (again).

Aside from the combiner ports and integrating the tailtip into the legs, he's a fairly exacting articulation-improved upscale. Have you tried tightening his chest tabs so that you can use him as a standalone Grimlock?

In any case, I think we might see Voyager versions of at least Sludge and Snarl down the road, spaced out.

Insecticons are more likely, given the poll.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The PotP Dinobots are not horrible and nor is Volcanicus.

Matter of opinion. I like the 4 deluxe dinos, even if I agree that at least Snarl and Sludge should have been voyager sized. Swoop and Slag were smaller, so deluxe is good for them. But of course they had to accommodate that shitshow of a combiner, so they got ruined.

Ruined? I thought you said you liked them In any case, they didn't. Because the ONLY changes made to them to accommodate Volcanicus were the hand/foot sockets and replacing the Diaclone cockpits with combiner pegs. And Slag got a major upgrade to how his tail is dealt with in robot mode (For those unaware, on the G1 toy, Slag's tail is a contender for Clunkiest Piece of Kibble on a Transformer Ever; the best you can do is hide it under his hollow feet). Or were you talking about Grimlock with that "ruined" remark?

I like the deluxes as they are. I even use them as limbs for Sky Lynx sometimes. What I meant by 'ruined' was that they could have been good voyagers (at least Sludge and Snarl) if they weren't shoehorned in as limbs. Their potential as voyagers was ruined. As they are, they actually display well with G1 Grimlock.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Don't get me started on Grimlock (again).

Aside from the combiner ports and integrating the tailtip into the legs, he's a fairly exacting articulation-improved upscale. Have you tried tightening his chest tabs so that you can use him as a standalone Grimlock?

You will NEVER convince me that PoTP Grimlock is a good figure, so stop trying. He's 0-3. Struck out. Robot: mediocre. Dino: vomit. Torso: what's below mediocre?

What I wouldn't mind seeing new legends of (not in WFC but the next line) are the other, lesser known Insecticons.

Sludge and Snarl didn't have potential as Voyagers in that line in the first place. It was being limbs that got them slots at all.

You know what, perhaps I will stop trying to convince you on Grimlock. After all, one of your major complaints - the chest untabbing - is only due to bad luck at the QC roulette and has an easy fix... and you won't even give that a try to see if that improves things. I forget what your other complaints about the robot mode were; that's the one that stuck in my mind..

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Sludge and Snarl didn't have potential as Voyagers in that line in the first place. It was being limbs that got them slots at all.

You know what, perhaps I will stop trying to convince you on Grimlock. After all, one of your major complaints - the chest untabbing - is only due to bad luck at the QC roulette and has an easy fix... and you won't even give that a try to see if that improves things. I forget what your other complaints about the robot mode were; that's the one that stuck in my mind..

I didn't like Grimlock from the moment I saw him. The only reason I ever bought him in the 1st place is because I thought Volcanicus was passable in reviews I watched. Of course, in-hand is usually a different story, in this case for the worse. The loose chest is just an extra reason to be disappointed. I'm seriously thinking about gluing the shoulder tabs on Volcanicus into place so he can support the weight of the arm limb-bots. I don't have a problem with how he looks, he just doesn't stay together.

All this talk is making me want a new Grimlock in WFC part 3, at least a voyager if not a leader, even though I think Grimmy and Hot Rod need a rest for a while.

What we really need are some Firecons and Sparkabots.

*Shrug* I had the opposite reaction to PotP Grimlock. I liked him from when I first saw pictures, I loved how exacting he was detail-wise in both modes while improving articulation. And the visible combiner stuff in dino mode didn't seem that obtrusive to me.
Obviously he lacks some of the G1 toy's flash, since the days of us getting chrome on retail toys are loooooong gone and they're not coming back, but I could deal with it. Volcanicus was just delicious icing on the cake. Very delicious icing, so it's a shame your Grimlock doesn't hold together well in torso mode.

The one thing I found visually off about PotP Grimlock was they didn't go with cartoon-accurate blue eyes, just because I've found having that little splash of blue really helps color-balance him.

I think the best way to get Voyager Dinobots is to space them out over a three year trilogy (like WfC) two Voyagers a year then a leader Class... Though that could be what they're planning regarding the 86 SS idea, get Grimlock this year, two Voyagers next year, then the last two the year after. Though does swoop really have to be a voyager? His alt isn't bulky, I could see him just being a tall deluxe

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Gauntlet, I own all five G1 Dinobots and the PotP ones are hardly mediocre. The only knocks comparison-wise are Slag lacking wings the and reduced accessory count. But considering all the improvements in articulation and the fact that HasTak managed to do something about SLAG'S STUPID TRICERATOPS TAIL...

I own all the toys I mentioned, including the PotP Dinos, Platinum Dinos and, stupidly, the SDCC Dinos because I had an obsession with getting the "perfect" Classics set. I even own the G1 dinos and a stupid amount of G1 styled Grimlocks.

So, in my informed opinion owning many G1 dinobot toys, the PotP toys leave a lot to be desired. Maybe if they didn't have such a strong presence in the franchise I'd feel diferent. I like the Terrorcons, for example, but they have a lot less to live up to.

Of all the sets I own, if you include 3P, Fansprojects satisfies me the most. Officially the Platinum set is the most satisfying, SDCC if you don't mind non G1 heads.

It's so weird that opinions on something can be so different...

Edit:
To the OP - By the way, I'd be remiss not to mention that there are oversized knockoffs of the Primes Dinos. I don't own any OS KOs except for Studio Series Grimmy, but I hear the combiners are alright. So if you like the Primes designs, but wish they were upsized: good news! You can get those and a Primes Grimmy and have a set that sort of the same size (in theory).

ZeroWolf wrote:I think the best way to get Voyager Dinobots is to space them out over a three year trilogy (like WfC) two Voyagers a year then a leader Class... Though that could be what they're planning regarding the 86 SS idea, get Grimlock this year, two Voyagers next year, then the last two the year after. Though does swoop really have to be a voyager? His alt isn't bulky, I could see him just being a tall deluxe

While this would definitely be the way to do it, I don't think this will happen given HasTak's current attitude of making all of a team in the same line (though they probably did that so everyone would buy all the Siege seekers and datsuns before the "better" ER ones were revealed, a hurdle the Dinobots wouldn't have to jump over).

Personally, I don't think we'll ever get more than Grimlock in this scale, for numerous reasons.

As for Swoop, I'd really prefer him as a voyager. I think his wings would take up too much plastic for him to work as a tall deluxe, and even if the mass did work out he'd still only be as tall as Ironhide.

I thought the PotP Dinobots looked alright, but not enough to buy any of them.
In fact, I remember being really letdown that the 4 were deluxe scale, which honestly was why I didn't get them.

If Hasbro could get the robot mode likenesses done well, I would probably buy all 5 dinobots at Voyager scale. I would probably even be okay if Swoop was slightly smaller but still classified as a Voyager. I don't want Grimlock, or any of them (whether it's just one or a couple) to be leader class... I do want them to scale well together.
Even though it would be roughly $150 for all 5, I would bite... These characters should be bigger than deluxes.
Some would argue they could all be leader class. Which I would dig other than the upped price.

Either way, it's ridiculously past time for these guys to be made right, so hopefully we see this happen sooner than later.

I would also be interested to see new Insecticons, but they would have to look really really good for me to spend $20 for each.

Sowndwave76, IMO you missed out. The PotP Dinobots are quite good, even if Slag et al aren't the ideal size (it was the only way they were all getting in at once, and I can deal with that); the likenesses are down pat, and the articulation and transformation improvements are delicious. I wouldn't mind them getting new toys at a bigger size, but the PotP ones are so good on other fronts that it makes up for that.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Gauntlet, I own all five G1 Dinobots and the PotP ones are hardly mediocre. The only knocks comparison-wise are Slag lacking wings the and reduced accessory count. But considering all the improvements in articulation and the fact that HasTak managed to do something about SLAG'S STUPID TRICERATOPS TAIL...

I own all the toys I mentioned, including the PotP Dinos, Platinum Dinos and, stupidly, the SDCC Dinos because I had an obsession with getting the "perfect" Classics set. I even own the G1 dinos and a stupid amount of G1 styled Grimlocks.

So, in my informed opinion owning many G1 dinobot toys, the PotP toys leave a lot to be desired

And what were these expectations of yours that they failed to live up to, hm? I was expecting new figures that painstakingly replicated the G1 toys' looks while improving articulation and integrating the combiner gimmick as tidily as possible (which they did, and fairly seamlessly on Slag et al). And minus Slag's kibble wings, that's exactly what we got. Oh, sure, their accessory arsenals are a tad lacking, but CHUG has always suffered on that front. Some of the G1 figures' weapons being 5mm compatible helps compensate in their case, as do Prime Master armors and Titan Master vehicles.
My big disappointment was not getting a Scorn retool of Grimlock.

Tuned Agent wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I think the best way to get Voyager Dinobots is to space them out over a three year trilogy (like WfC) two Voyagers a year then a leader Class... Though that could be what they're planning regarding the 86 SS idea, get Grimlock this year, two Voyagers next year, then the last two the year after. Though does swoop really have to be a voyager? His alt isn't bulky, I could see him just being a tall deluxe

While this would definitely be the way to do it, I don't think this will happen given HasTak's current attitude of making all of a team in the same line (though they probably did that so everyone would buy all the Siege seekers and datsuns before the "better" ER ones were revealed, a hurdle the Dinobots wouldn't have to jump over).

Well, they certainly wouldn't have wanted the Cybertronian modes and Earth modes sharing the shelves. Especially not the redeco-cow molds.
And speaking of molds, that's a major reason the Dinobots would be spaced out if made. The core five require four separate new molds at minimum. They're also all the same color scheme, another reason for them to be spaced out.

Here are some more thoughts of mine on doing new Dinobots:
With the flexible way Hasbro is using the Leader class, I think having one of them be Leader wouldn't be a bad idea. Here's why:
At Voyager size, none of them can be molded their complete arsenal without their body mass taking a hit. That's how the game works, and if you expect it to magically change without a substantial shift in the global economy you're delusional.
So I think four of them should be made at Voyager, limited to one accessory each so the rest of the plastic can go to their body mass. While one - probably Grimlock, because he's a big name and an ever-popular T. Rex - is made at Leader so that he can use the extra mass allowance for all the remaining weapons. Plus Tyrannotron if there's plastic left.

I agree the PotP Dinobots were pretty spot-on with how they looked, although Swoop looked off to me. I will give Hasbro a lot of credit again for how well they've been doing with most of the head sculpts; that's such a big deal for me and how I perceive figures.
But I'm tellin' ya, deluxe-sized dino's would've really bothered me. I've been really selective with what I buy for quite a while, and I get buyer's remorse real easily.
Especially because most times alt modes don't matter that much to me, the likeness and scale are probably two of the most important factors imo.
This will probably sound crazy, but the last (and most recent) 4 figures I've bought, I still haven't transformed... That's how little I care about alt modes.
Although I probably will transform ER Starscream one of these days soon, I can almost guarantee I won't transform Thundercracker or Skywarp possibly ever.

Anyway, I won't doubt IF (and really when) we get new Dinobots that Grimlock is made at leader class.
I don't think that NEEDS to happen, but it definitely could.
What I'd like to see is all 5 made as voyagers that come with their swords... Then later down the road Hasbro releases an exclusive figure (maybe even another dino at deluxe size) and packs in the others' gun weapons; that way anyone who is really big on accessories can get them, but no one deals with a compromise in the figures' scales.
I like these characters quite a bit, so only one weapon packed-in doesn't bother me at all...
I don't need them holding both a sword and gun... I don't really need either if the figures are good tbh. So many guns and canons and rifles with TF's... If anything just gimme the swords with these guys!

Didn't the PotP Dinobots sell pretty well? Asking because if so that's encouraging that Hasbro may be more willing to put a little more into the next versions.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And what were these expectations of yours that they failed to live up to, hm? I was expecting new figures that painstakingly replicated the G1 toys' looks while improving articulation and integrating the combiner gimmick as tidily as possible (which they did, and fairly seamlessly on Slag et al).

I expected them to be G1 and impress me. And they don't.

Size has a lot to do with it, so right out of the gate they're losing. They're also built to be rather puny. I have Netflix Mirage sitting on my desk right now and I think he could take Sludge. Just going by how they look in robot mode. Just looking the part isn't enough. Just being articulated isn't enough. I had them surrounded by Autobots and most of them were taller and bulkier than, what's supposed to be, the strongest G1 Autobot warriors. That just shouldn't be.

Proportions are another area that's a problem and contributes to puniness. In robot mode their arms are thin and weak looking. Overall, Grimlock aside, they look weak.

The movie designs, on the other hand, look fierce in both modes. Being too small they have to have that attitude to make up for the size. Plus their transformations were surprisingly fun. I got them more out of a sense of misplaced obligation in getting G1 Grimlock variations and was really impressed by the transformation, the use of chrome and clear plastics, and how tough everyone looked in both bodes.

You'll notice I don't mention their combined form. That's because I don't care about it at all. I didn't buy these guys to be combined.

But I think we went over this before. I do want to point out that I'm not just commenting on pictures. I have the toys. I have all the toys I need to make an informed comparison. It's possible to have a different opinion and be fully informed.

It is. Although if you were expecting the PotP Dinobots to have chrome, which is what you're making it sound like, then you're hardly fully informed. The G1-redeco versions of the movie Dinobot molds got chrome because they were exclusives and thus had special privileges. The PotP Dinobots were retail toys, with all the deco limitations thereof.

"Size has a lot to do with it, so right out of the gate they're losing" What, were you expecting them to somehow be the same size as Grimlock in spite of being Deluxes? Because you're sure sounding that way.

"They're also built to be rather puny" Oh, give me a break. Slag, Sludge, Snarl and Swoop are as big as they could be as Deluxes while still being straight updates of their original designs. And their "puny" arms are for the most part of the same proportion as the original toys. Well, Snarl doesn't have the "fat shoulders, thin forearms" problem as bad. Yeah, they're not as beefy as Grimlock's arms - and that's good, because if they were that would look reeeeally off in dino mode.
The only reason the arms look "puny" compared to the regular Autobots is because being Deluxes puts them at a smaller scale than they'd normally be. And since being Deluxes was the only way they were getting slots, I was ready, willing, and able to accept the size limits that imposed on them. Always room for Voyager versions down the road, especially if these outings sold well.

They deliver everything that could reasonably be asked for from retail Deluxe updates of the G1 designs, aside from Slag's kibble-wings being omitted.

Tuned Agent wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I think the best way to get Voyager Dinobots is to space them out over a three year trilogy (like WfC) two Voyagers a year then a leader Class... Though that could be what they're planning regarding the 86 SS idea, get Grimlock this year, two Voyagers next year, then the last two the year after. Though does swoop really have to be a voyager? His alt isn't bulky, I could see him just being a tall deluxe

While this would definitely be the way to do it, I don't think this will happen given HasTak's current attitude of making all of a team in the same line (though they probably did that so everyone would buy all the Siege seekers and datsuns before the "better" ER ones were revealed, a hurdle the Dinobots wouldn't have to jump over).

Personally, I don't think we'll ever get more than Grimlock in this scale, for numerous reasons.

As for Swoop, I'd really prefer him as a voyager. I think his wings would take up too much plastic for him to work as a tall deluxe, and even if the mass did work out he'd still only be as tall as Ironhide.

I actually meant getting all the Dinobots in Studio Series, the same way they handled Devastator, but looking back, I didn't make that clear, my apologies.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:It is. Although if you were expecting the PotP Dinobots to have chrome, which is what you're making it sound like, then you're hardly fully informed.

This is just being obnoxious. You are purposefully missing the point.

Deluxes puts them at a smaller scale than they'd normally be. And since being Deluxes was the only way they were getting slots, I was ready, willing, and able to accept the size limits that imposed on them.

...

They deliver everything that could reasonably be asked for from retail Deluxe updates of the G1 designs, aside from Slag's kibble-wings being omitted.

Then deluxe sized G1 Dinobots are inherently just not that great of an idea.

The weird thing about opinions is that two people can have the same toy and yet judge it differently. You have the dinos and think they're really great because they handle their limits well. I think they're mediocre because their limits yielded a so-so toy for the designs and characters involved. I think the sculpts are just "meh." They are a small, thin, interpretation of the G1 designs in robot mode and it doesn't work for me with the exception of Swoop.

Your opinion isn't the only valid one to have.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:It is. Although if you were expecting the PotP Dinobots to have chrome, which is what you're making it sound like, then you're hardly fully informed.

This is just being obnoxious. You are purposefully missing the point.

You kept bringing up the fancy shiny G1-based redecoes as examples of "how it should be done", so I was starting to wonder if you really did expect the PotP figures to deliver the same quality of deco.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Deluxes puts them at a smaller scale than they'd normally be. And since being Deluxes was the only way they were getting slots, I was ready, willing, and able to accept the size limits that imposed on them.

...

They deliver everything that could reasonably be asked for from retail Deluxe updates of the G1 designs, aside from Slag's kibble-wings being omitted.

Then deluxe sized G1 Dinobots are inherently just not that great of an idea.

Eh, it works out for those who like the combined mode, since it makes Volcanicus scale with the majority of combiners. And since it was the only way they were getting in and they'd been ignored by CHUG for over a decade despite their popularity..

Gauntlet101010 wrote:The weird thing about opinions is that two people can have the same toy and yet judge it differently. You have the dinos and think they're really great because they handle their limits well. I think they're mediocre because their limits yielded a so-so toy for the designs and characters involved. I think the sculpts are just "meh." They are a small, thin, interpretation of the G1 designs in robot mode and it doesn't work for me with the exception of Swoop.

*shrug* Depends who you compare them too. Yeah, they seem thin compared to, say, most SIEGE Deluxes (since on top of the height, everything not moldmated to/based on PotP Moonracer has fat arms and chests), or to TR and Universe figures.. but that's a bit like comparing DOTM Deluxe-class Ironhide to ROTF Leader-class Optimus Prime. They fare substantially better compared to fellow limb-bots and to pre-movie G1s. Or Legion-class figures.

Or Classics Grimlock

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Your opinion isn't the only valid one to have.

You're right, it's not. It's just.. your opinion bugged me because it seemed to come from expecting things retail Deluxes, especially CHUG retail Deluxes, were never going to be capable of in the first place... and then being disappointed that those expectations weren't met. It... touched a nerve. And I'm sorry.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Tuned Agent wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I think the best way to get Voyager Dinobots is to space them out over a three year trilogy (like WfC) two Voyagers a year then a leader Class... Though that could be what they're planning regarding the 86 SS idea, get Grimlock this year, two Voyagers next year, then the last two the year after. Though does swoop really have to be a voyager? His alt isn't bulky, I could see him just being a tall deluxe

While this would definitely be the way to do it, I don't think this will happen given HasTak's current attitude of making all of a team in the same line (though they probably did that so everyone would buy all the Siege seekers and datsuns before the "better" ER ones were revealed, a hurdle the Dinobots wouldn't have to jump over).

Personally, I don't think we'll ever get more than Grimlock in this scale, for numerous reasons.

As for Swoop, I'd really prefer him as a voyager. I think his wings would take up too much plastic for him to work as a tall deluxe, and even if the mass did work out he'd still only be as tall as Ironhide.

I actually meant getting all the Dinobots in Studio Series, the same way they handled Devastator, but looking back, I didn't make that clear, my apologies.

Ah, that makes sense! The less structured nature of Studio Series would be a great fit for the Dinobots, if they decided to commit that much G1 to SS.