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Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:33 pm

ok this started over in another thread but since its the same few people constantly talking back and forth i figure it should get its own and we should move here

My possition is this
the Alligned continuity is not working in respect to things like transformers war for cybertron and the subsequent games, the prime tv show that is now over and the novels and other media produced for it. my point is that its been done so poorly with tons of plot holes and badly done recons and made up excuse and other things like claiming zeta prime and sential prime are one person that it should just be ignored -and that its just not working. having a common source is fine and all but each story shouldn't be connected to another unless the same people are working on it or its done with some sort of way to keep it consistant.

Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:14 am

It's hard to complain about plot holes in alligned continuity when Bayformers Timeline is one enormus paradox itself...

However I agree, that Prime gains a lot when it is watched as a separate series, I never thought that merging this with WOC and Exodus is a good idea, especially later, when creator of FOC had to create out of place connection with cartoon.

News Credits: 1350 · Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:49 am

Right, my opinion is that Hasbro have said thats one continuity then it's fact, corrrect or not. It's their franchise afterall, they can do what they want. Plus how is this different from comics which often rewrite their timelines, making new errors.

If you want to view them as separate things then it's fine, it's your fannon. Just don't expect the whole fandom and Hasbro to bow to your wishes.

A question though, what would you say if they made q fourth Cybertron game that directly referenced the past games and the TV series. What would you say in this scenario.

Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:27 am

that is the question isn't it -i don't think we are going to see that -what is more likely espically with the way the games were going is that we will get a game that totally breaks form the primes time line-now i could be wrong but i don't think so -the arks not even in primes for the most part and it was being pulled to earth -plus starcreams not on the nemisis and is in fact no longer part of megatrons command he betrayed him and got shot -and megatron hand told his troops to shoot him.

im seeing sort of a neo g1 thing happening. now i could be wrong but i don't think so at this point it makes less sense for them to use a tv show thats already over than to do something totally new.

also bayformers isn't transformers at all it makes no sense and is terribly inept. its a movie hosed in transformers extract just like star trek by abrams its not the same -it has the trappings of the series but its not really part of it because it doesn't understand the series.

also i don't see how the comics over right anything -i don't get what your saying

also transformer novels are just bad don't read them unless you see a really really good review i read the dream wave backed novels and i can tell you it was HORRIBLE -it was utter and complete trash poorly written badly planed and it made no sense what so ever.

News Credits: 1350 · Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:56 am

Comics tend to introduce new elements to characters origins or look at events in a different angle. This why certain comics go through reboots as their own backlog becomes complicated...though they start over and then start getting complicated again.

The movies are transformers, they have boosted the franchise in many ways bringing great amounts of money to Hasbro. You may not like it (your not alone there) but it's still transformers...the true knock off film is Transmorphers by asylum films (you think bay's transformers are bad, give this a watch. This is bad).

Also a fourth Cybertron game doesn't have to be set before prime, it could be set between Predacons Rising and the new Robots in Disguise cartoon. They won't break away, Hasbro will make sure of that. There is no neo-G1 as it's not needed.

Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:07 am

i disagree the games are definately not related to primes in any real way and the characters are way more similar to the original g1 i think this is what their actually doing and what we will get for the 4th game is an earth based one -i think the reason they did a multiver thing and included the movie wasn't just to capitolize on the movie but to also see how the fall of cybertron mechanics translated to the ear setting -ie human cards that don't hover ect.

News Credits: 1350 · Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:39 am

No rise of the dark spark was just to hype the new movie, and I doubt we will get a new Cybertron game set on earth that doesn't factor in prime. In fact theymay take all seasons of prime and adapt that for a game. Remember, the game developer is doing this under Hasbro supervision, and if it doesn't conform enough to their plans, then they could kill it. Sabrblade has already said that the inconsistency between games and primes can be explained easily or with common sense.

What I would like to know is, why does it bother you so much? Or is it because Hasbro have said it's aligned and not G1?

Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:28 pm

no actually what bothers me is the massive amounts of contriditions and that their trying to ram this stuff together when its not the same and that it hurts it more than anything else right now -aside from bays bad movies

Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:16 am

I look at it like this, (having not read any of the comics in years for shame).

The FOC and WFC and the books took place many years ago so its more like myth or legend like we have (think Greeks, Romans ect). We dont know exactly what that was like with many theories which is exactly how i take the games and books to be. Prime is the here and now (so in all those years things are bound to change, get confuzzled ect)

Just my 2 pennies

News Credits: 3 · Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:07 am

chaosmage42 wrote:no actually what bothers me is the massive amounts of contriditions and that their trying to ram this stuff together when its not the same and that it hurts it more than anything else right now -aside from bays bad movies

Have to agree with you.They are not the same!!!!!!!!Heck,the designs are different.Compare WFC OP with FOC OP.This should be scrapped!Aligned continuity makes not much sense!

News Credits: 1350 · Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:07 am

Are we back to this argument? I thought people had made their peace.

For the upthenth time, it is what it is, all three games are part of Prime and the New Robots in Disguise cartoon if you like it or not. I doubt Hasbro care what a group out of the whole fanbase think (this includes their target market kids who likely don't care).

News Credits: 3 · Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:40 am

ZeroWolf wrote:Are we back to this argument? I thought people had made their peace.

For the upthenth time, it is what it is, all three games are part of Prime and the New Robots in Disguise cartoon if you like it or not. I doubt Hasbro care what a group out of the whole fanbase think (this includes their target market kids who likely don't care).

Well,although I said that above,oh well,I have to accept it.After all,I am no one to tell Hasbro what to do.

Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:30 pm

I was kinda hoping that this discussion is going to be continued, it was real fun to read. I really don't understand why Hasbro tealing us that WFC and Prime Cartoon are one is such a big deal. If you ignore some silly ideas, it was fine, and my cousind witch isn't Transformers Fan and didn't know about WFC series was watching Prime without any problem.

News Credits: 3 · Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:17 pm

TurboMMaster wrote:I was kinda hoping that this discussion is going to be continued, it was real fun to read. I really don't understand why Hasbro tealing us that WFC and Prime Cartoon are one is such a big deal. If you ignore some silly ideas, it was fine, and my cousind witch isn't Transformers Fan and didn't know about WFC series was watching Prime without any problem.

Did he like it?

Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:11 am

I've seen a lot of threads (in various places) asking this question over the past few months, and they all come to the same few points:
1) Until such time that Hasbro renounce it, it's canon. It's their franchise, therefore their word is lore.
2) Yeah, as an aligned continuity, it does seem to contradict itself. A lot.
3) If you don't like it, you don't have to accept it in your fannon (I don't!), but there are fans that do use it, and use in debates on lore.

News Credits: 462 · Sun Dec 14, 2014 5:29 pm

Transformers fiction has been contradicting itself since the very beginning. It's kind of a staple of the brand.

Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:57 pm

Good things that Hasbro isn't too despotic about "canon". In fact, "Canon" in Hasbro propably means "a creators and marketing masters note on a internet page." I think that after Beast Wars sequel's saga failure and Cybertron's failed experiment, they decided to let things just happen.

News Credits: 15 · Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:58 pm

I really don't give a good damn about the Aligned continuity anymore. As far as I'm concerned, so long as the writers don't completely rape continuity between Prime, Rescue Bots, and RiD15 (shows that share the same crew), I'm fine.

News Credits: 462 · Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:17 am

PrymeStriker wrote:I really don't give a good damn about the Aligned continuity anymore. As far as I'm concerned, so long as the writers don't completely rape continuity between Prime, Rescue Bots, and RiD15 (shows that share the same crew), I'm fine.

They've done well with that of the first two so far.

Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:21 pm

Yes definitely, I have never read the covenant of Primus so maybe there are some tie ins that I don't know about, but it never seemed to make any sense whatsoever.

News Credits: 1350 · Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:56 am

I'm beginning to wonder how long it will be before hasbro just make the IDWverse their main continuity

News Credits: 462 · Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:32 am

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm beginning to wonder how long it will be before hasbro just make the IDWverse their main continuity

Somehow I feel the movies simply won't allow that.

Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:37 pm

I think that IDWverse is far too complicated to be one. After all, main target for Transformers are little boys and teenagers.

News Credits: 462 · Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:17 pm

TurboMMaster wrote:I think that IDWverse is far too complicated to be one. After all, main target for Transformers are little boys and teenagers.

The toys are aimed at little boys (and girls), but James Roberts and John Barber know good and well what age demographic their audience is.

Sat May 23, 2015 11:08 pm

there shouldnt be any aligned continuity because after beast wars it seemed like every new show had its own universe and every show was so drastically different from each other its hard to relate one show to another other than unicron trilogy but only armada and energon seemed directly related and cybertron seemed so different and now with these games and Prime and the new Robots in Disguise so many differences its hard to connect them it would be easier to just have each series its own universe or maybe what would be cool is do what DC comics did and have a crisis of infinite earths but with Transformers so have everything from G1 to shattered glass to movie verse and so on :grin: