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Zeedust wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:I like Beast Wars, but come on guys, let's just be happy that at least Takara is celebrating it.

Yay, it's so beautiful that something that meant so much to me get acknowledged on the other side of the planet!

I get that. But the way I see it, we all know that Takara's MP line is the best Transfomrer product out there. Its not like Hasbro would dish out money to make an MP of their own anyway. So this is the best case scenario. We are getting a Masterpiece Beast Wars toy on the 30th anniversary. Hasbro was never gonna do that anyway. And it being in Japan is not that bad with how we are all connected today. You can still buy this toy just as easily as youd buy another toy online and importing it will be the same amount that Hasbro will sell it IF ever they decide to sell it here. I mean they are selling MP Bumblebee for 65$ this yeah and Prowl was more expensive than when Japan released him. The Transformers Brand is shared by 2 toy giants, I dont think you should let the proximity of one ruin your fun and ignore the celebration it is rightfully getting.

SillySpringer wrote:Also, it's the 30th year anniversary of the 1986 movie, so of course Hasbro is going to focus on that.

Why should that be such a given? What makes the movie so much more important than anything else other than it being G1?

Nothing, thats it.

One of the main designers at Hasbro right now is a guy who loves G1, and Hasbro has said that its the designers who decide the toy stuff (who gets made, in what colour, how), under the budgetory constraints given by corporate of course[/quote]

Zeedust wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:I like Beast Wars, but come on guys, let's just be happy that at least Takara is celebrating it.

Yay, it's so beautiful that something that meant so much to me get acknowledged on the other side of the planet!

SillySpringer wrote:Also, it's the 30th year anniversary of the 1986 movie, so of course Hasbro is going to focus on that.

Why should that be such a given? What makes the movie so much more important than anything else other than it being G1? Do they really need to make five movie sets instead of maybe using one of them for something else people look back on fondly?

I get that I'm asking too much, but for the life of me I can't imagine why it's to much.

It's better than nothing. Like Shajaki said, it could be better, but we're definitely not doing bad figure-wise. Hasbro possibly will be celebrating Beast Wars when the 86 movie thing is over.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:But we've gotten Arcee, Ultra Magnus, Galvatron, Arcee, Cyclonus and Springer all in short order with Scourge and Blurr coming up. Like ... why not a single BW homage? Heck, even reissuing TM2 Megs with TM2 Primal would be cool.

Wow, you must have been really happy that Arcee finally came. And I know its nerdy, but there was never a TM2 Primal.

SillySpringer wrote:It's better than nothing. Like Shajaki said, it could be better, but we're definitely not doing bad figure-wise. Hasbro possibly will be celebrating Beast Wars when the 86 movie thing is over.

Haha, no they wont. The guy in the interview said, "we will continue to homage beasts just like we are doing right now in RID."

I still wish for a reissue of Optimal Optimus. I would so buy that

Agh, why can't we just have a deluxe MTMTE Rodimus?

I wouldn't mind a cheeky nod to bw in the form of homages with tr wolfwire as wolfang, skullcruncher as megalligator, and windwipe as prime; I mean, all they would have to do would be to make 1 new part for each headmaster, and that's it

ishigoto wrote:Agh, why can't we just have a deluxe MTMTE Rodimus?

It's been rumored that he is coming in the TR line.

On the one hand, you got Transformers: The Movie -- Beautifully animated (both for its time and, to an extent, in this day and age), has an awesomely 80's soundtrack and score, and responsible for scarring a generation of children by graphically murdering large swaths of beloved childhood icons within its first twenty minutes, including one of the most beloved icons of them all, who is then replaced first by an inept leader and then by the reckless punk whose bumbling interference inadvertently aided in said beloved icon's death, and introduced concepts and plot points that, while becoming staples of the brand for years to come, were ill-defined and barely touched upon beyond the most elementary of descriptions and characteristics, resulting in what is at best a glamorously gorgeous feature-length toy commercial and at worst as poorly-written cash-grab ignorant of its characters' iconography and which performed abysmally both at the box office and with critics alike.

And on the other hand, you got Beast Wars -- An Emmy award-winning animated series that saved a dying, decrepit toy brand from the brink of death with its at-the-time cutting edge CGI animation that, while today looks woefully outdated compared to most modern CG television works, was at the top of its game in its day and age with its impressive but imperfect display of CG television at its finest, and which was combined with masterful writing and storytelling that, while being made up with little actual planning as its writers went along, masked its toy commercial status behind an elegant blend of seriousness, wit, drama, charm, comedy, characterization, and development, with only its most blatant shortcomings stemming from either the limitations of CGI, executive meddling from Hasbro that forced certain plots to be halted/rushed/unexplained, and which the writers had to work around so as to not let their product suffer as much as it could have.

Well, at least they both had top-notch voice acting.

Well, the Botcon set was also great BW celebration. Predacus actually looks pretty badass (even though Ravage's head is terrible) and the Tripredacus Council are just the sort of things Botcon exclusives should be - obscure characters getting toys.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'm not a huge fan of Leader class, Jetfire being the sole exception. Magnus suffers with a vehicle mode that's out of scale with everything else, and that really bugs me.

Sure, but the robot mode is soooooo perfect, it makes up for the tiny. Vehicle mode.

The robot mode is pretty great, but in the end if I had to choose ... I think City Commander may remain my Magnus of choice. Both because of scale and because of the White Prime. As a kid I destroyed the trailer, but kept on using that Prime for years. I know some of the appeal for others in regards to the Leader is that it's fully integrated, but it's the opposite for me.

Sabrblade wrote:On the one hand, you got Transformers: The Movie -- Beautifully animated (both for its time and, to an extent, in this day and age), has an awesomely 80's soundtrack and score, and responsible for scarring a generation of children by graphically murdering large swaths of beloved childhood icons within its first twenty minutes, including one of the most beloved icons of them all, who is then replaced first by an inept leader and then by the reckless punk whose bumbling interference inadvertently aided in said beloved icon's death, and introduced concepts and plot points that, while becoming staples of the brand for years to come, were ill-defined and barely touched upon beyond the most elementary of descriptions and characteristics, resulting in what is at best a glamorously gorgeous feature-length toy commercial and at worst as poorly-written cash-grab ignorant of its characters' iconography and which performed abysmally both at the box office and with critics alike.

And on the other hand, you got Beast Wars -- An Emmy award-winning animated series that saved a dying, decrepit toy brand from the brink of death with its at-the-time cutting edge CGI animation that, while today looks woefully outdated compared to most modern CG television works, was at the top of its game in its day and age with its impressive but imperfect display of CG television at its finest, and which was combined with masterful writing and storytelling that, while being made up with little actual planning as its writers went along, masked its toy commercial status behind an elegant blend of seriousness, wit, drama, charm, comedy, characterization, and development, with only its most blatant shortcomings stemming from either the limitations of CGI, executive meddling from Hasbro that forced certain plots to be halted/rushed/unexplained, and which the writers had to work around so as to not let their product suffer as much as it could have.

Well, at least they both had top-notch voice acting.

UM an inept leader? Too harsh Sabr.

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:On the one hand, you got Transformers: The Movie -- Beautifully animated (both for its time and, to an extent, in this day and age), has an awesomely 80's soundtrack and score, and responsible for scarring a generation of children by graphically murdering large swaths of beloved childhood icons within its first twenty minutes, including one of the most beloved icons of them all, who is then replaced first by an inept leader and then by the reckless punk whose bumbling interference inadvertently aided in said beloved icon's death, and introduced concepts and plot points that, while becoming staples of the brand for years to come, were ill-defined and barely touched upon beyond the most elementary of descriptions and characteristics, resulting in what is at best a glamorously gorgeous feature-length toy commercial and at worst as poorly-written cash-grab ignorant of its characters' iconography and which performed abysmally both at the box office and with critics alike.

And on the other hand, you got Beast Wars -- An Emmy award-winning animated series that saved a dying, decrepit toy brand from the brink of death with its at-the-time cutting edge CGI animation that, while today looks woefully outdated compared to most modern CG television works, was at the top of its game in its day and age with its impressive but imperfect display of CG television at its finest, and which was combined with masterful writing and storytelling that, while being made up with little actual planning as its writers went along, masked its toy commercial status behind an elegant blend of seriousness, wit, drama, charm, comedy, characterization, and development, with only its most blatant shortcomings stemming from either the limitations of CGI, executive meddling from Hasbro that forced certain plots to be halted/rushed/unexplained, and which the writers had to work around so as to not let their product suffer as much as it could have.

Well, at least they both had top-notch voice acting.

UM an inept leader? Too harsh Sabr.

Really? I mean, the first thing he does after fleeing - and losing most of his escape ship - is crash land, get shot to pieces, and lose the matrix, so, yeah... I'd say he's plenty inept as a leader

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:On the one hand, you got Transformers: The Movie -- Beautifully animated (both for its time and, to an extent, in this day and age), has an awesomely 80's soundtrack and score, and responsible for scarring a generation of children by graphically murdering large swaths of beloved childhood icons within its first twenty minutes, including one of the most beloved icons of them all, who is then replaced first by an inept leader and then by the reckless punk whose bumbling interference inadvertently aided in said beloved icon's death, and introduced concepts and plot points that, while becoming staples of the brand for years to come, were ill-defined and barely touched upon beyond the most elementary of descriptions and characteristics, resulting in what is at best a glamorously gorgeous feature-length toy commercial and at worst as poorly-written cash-grab ignorant of its characters' iconography and which performed abysmally both at the box office and with critics alike.

And on the other hand, you got Beast Wars -- An Emmy award-winning animated series that saved a dying, decrepit toy brand from the brink of death with its at-the-time cutting edge CGI animation that, while today looks woefully outdated compared to most modern CG television works, was at the top of its game in its day and age with its impressive but imperfect display of CG television at its finest, and which was combined with masterful writing and storytelling that, while being made up with little actual planning as its writers went along, masked its toy commercial status behind an elegant blend of seriousness, wit, drama, charm, comedy, characterization, and development, with only its most blatant shortcomings stemming from either the limitations of CGI, executive meddling from Hasbro that forced certain plots to be halted/rushed/unexplained, and which the writers had to work around so as to not let their product suffer as much as it could have.

Well, at least they both had top-notch voice acting.

UM an inept leader? Too harsh Sabr.

Really? I mean, the first thing he does after fleeing - and losing most of his escape ship - is crash land, get shot to pieces, and lose the matrix, so, yeah... I'd say he's plenty inept as a leader

He saved his subordinates by sacrificing his life...pretty top notch leadership there, I think....

Hellscream9999 wrote:Really? I mean, the first thing he does after fleeing - and losing most of his escape ship - is crash land, get shot to pieces, and lose the matrix, so, yeah... I'd say he's plenty inept as a leader

http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/547.html

Haha, check who made number one on this worst tf character list I found online.

Ha! I remember that list from a while back when you posted it! good stuff

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Really? I mean, the first thing he does after fleeing - and losing most of his escape ship - is crash land, get shot to pieces, and lose the matrix, so, yeah... I'd say he's plenty inept as a leader

http://www.x-entertainment.com/messages/547.html

Haha, check who made number one on this worst tf character list I found online.

In all fairness, this list only covers G1 and was written over a decade ago. One that covered every Transformers series would probably look a little different. Bisk would be on it, for starters.

Of course Hasbro is celebrating the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars. Remember, they've graced us with the affordably priced Platinum Edition Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal! I mean, what more can you ask for than a re-release of a 16 year old toy with a deco that has nothing to do with the character it's based upon? Hasbro LOVES us, guys!

Wolfman Jake wrote:Of course Hasbro is celebrating the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars. Remember, they've graced us with the affordably priced Platinum Edition Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal! I mean, what more can you ask for than a re-release of a 16 year old toy with a deco that has nothing to do with the character it's based upon? Hasbro LOVES us, guys!

That enough of an answer for ya

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Of course Hasbro is celebrating the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars. Remember, they've graced us with the affordably priced Platinum Edition Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal! I mean, what more can you ask for than a re-release of a 16 year old toy with a deco that has nothing to do with the character it's based upon? Hasbro LOVES us, guys!

That enough of an answer for ya

You DO realize that I wrote that with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, right?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Of course Hasbro is celebrating the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars. Remember, they've graced us with the affordably priced Platinum Edition Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal! I mean, what more can you ask for than a re-release of a 16 year old toy with a deco that has nothing to do with the character it's based upon? Hasbro LOVES us, guys!

That enough of an answer for ya

You DO realize that I wrote that with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, right?

Yup

But my feelings remain unchanged

From Takara, you get MP-32 Convoy (Beast Wars).

From Fun Pub, you get Dawn of the Predacus.

From Hasbro Asia, you get Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal.

From Hasbro proper...

Wolfman Jake wrote:I mean, what more can you ask for than a re-release of a 16 year old toy with a deco that has nothing to do with the character it's based upon?

And they even made sure to pick a mold that's not even really connected to the series it's allegedly commemorating! Oh, man, I can't wait until they recolor Cybertron Megatron for the Armada anniversary!

Zeedust wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:I mean, what more can you ask for than a re-release of a 16 year old toy with a deco that has nothing to do with the character it's based upon?

And they even made sure to pick a mold that's not even really connected to the series it's allegedly commemorating! Oh, man, I can't wait until they recolor Cybertron Megatron for the Armada anniversary!

At least that's the same character and continuity, so it'd be analogous to what this primal is and represents... but yeah

Sabrblade wrote:From Takara, you get MP-32 Convoy (Beast Wars).

From Fun Pub, you get Dawn of the Predacus.

From Hasbro Asia, you get Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal.

From Hasbro proper...

Basically how I feel, summarizes the situation pretty succinctly actually

Sabrblade wrote:From Takara, you get MP-32 Convoy (Beast Wars).

From Fun Pub, you get Dawn of the Predacus.

From Hasbro Asia, you get Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal.

From Hasbro proper...

Though you forgot these from Takara as well:

william-james88 wrote:

It's like bear stacking, except it's rhino-rat-wasp stacking.