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News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:46 pm

I think you're just analysing it a bit too much.

While I do understand where you're coming from, I thought the opposite, if that's the message they wanted to convey then i'm not surprised by the message at all. It's what I feel humanity is about anyway.

Underlying message aside, goddamn was this a good episode. I really enjoyed it.

And The Doctor's song coming to an end soon ... such a tease!

News Credits: 1 · by **Cheetron** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:43 pm

Just got done watching "Voyage of the Damned" and the season 2 finale of Torchwood. And now I'm just scratching my head.

I heard good things about both episodes. Seemed like everyplace i looked, Kylie whatever was supposed to be great or hot or something. I thought she played her part well. the blonde who isn't what she seems/Doctors 1-episode love interest. Sure it showed his true character again but it felt like same premise, different characters. I know, you could say it for almost every episode but this one really stuck out for me. It wasn't bad- it wasn't good. Makes me wish for Donna though. lol

Torchwood - Ok, so we ignore the stories we did all season? I wanted to see what was going on with the sleeper cell. Gwen and her love for Jack and how it would screw up the marriage. Stuff like that. It was another alright episode - Ol' Spike coming back (I can't remember his name.) and actually being good. I liked his performance and character this time. A lot better than Gray. I just expected the long lost bro to not act like such a jerk. I do understand being left behind and being torchured but there are better ways to deal with this sensitive story line than in the scale of one episode.

Hey, at least one character I didn't like finally got the axe. That is until they re-write him in again. Walking skeleton or talking pile of ash. Crap, I better not give RTD any ideas.

News Credits: 104 · by **Cyber Bishop** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:48 pm

Two back to back EXCELLENT episodes..
Next week... Sontarans!!!!

by **Lorekeeper** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:35 pm

Cyber Bishop wrote:Two back to back EXCELLENT episodes..
Next week... Sontarans!!!!

Yay! My favorites! :APPLAUSE:

News Credits: 1 · by **Matrix.** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:38 pm

Loved this episode- the dialogue was very mature, and it was especially grim. I'd be very surprised if it hasn't had a few complaints for the transformation scene!

Very, very worried about the Sontarans. From the trailer, they don't look scary at all.

Useless series 3 with their Juddoon, spoiling everything. >.>

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:59 pm

Matrix. wrote:Very, very worried about the Sontarans. From the trailer, they don't look scary at all.

Well they're shorter for starters.

But the fact this is Russell T Davies vision for Sontarans should have everyone worried. After all, we all know how much of a great job he's done in reinventing classic DW villians.

by **Cornicer** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:43 pm

I really enjoyed that episode! Good writing(humor wasn't too overbearing/cutesy), good plot, and good cliffhanger! My only real complaint was the music, which was a bit distracting(mainly in the middle).

As for the new Sontaran design, I've gotta say I like it. It looks way better in action than it did in the promos, imo. Though, unlike the Cybermen(regardless of what you thought about the stories they were in, they did look WAY better than they ever have, imo) I'm not sure that I can say I felt it was necessary; it would have been just fine if they just updated the original design. After all, the silliest part of their original designs were probably their "magic wands," and those were left completely intact. But, it works for me. /shrug.

Can't wait for next week!

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:12 pm

There was no reason for them to update the Sontaran design, aside from the fact it was given to the Jadoon!

Otherwise it was a pretty good episode, though once again we have the offsider's family getting screen time again. It would be nice for this new series to have an outsider that is constantly calling or popping home to their family.

by **bcm77** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:26 am

Burn wrote:There was no reason for them to update the Sontaran design, aside from the fact it was given to the Jadoon!

Otherwise it was a pretty good episode, though once again we have the offsider's family getting screen time again. It would be nice for this new series to have an outsider that is constantly calling or popping home to their family.

I think Donna's Grandad is OK but her Mum is f'ing annoying though not quite as bad as Maria's Mum in the Sarah Jane Adventures.
I enjoyed last night's episode and thought Christopher Ryan was excellent as General Staal,he obviously did his homework and watched the old Sontaran stories as he got the voice and mannerisms spot on. It was just a pity the guy playing Commmander Skorr didn't make the same effort as his perfect "BBC English" didn't really work.
I'm looking forward to part 2 but after that it's "The Doctor's Daughter" which I'm really hoping is just a reference to that fact that Peter Davison's daughter will be in it.
Revealing that the Doctor has a child IMO takes away some of the characters mysterious quality in the same way that Attack Of The Clones did for Boba Fett and will mean we get a load of cheesy "Daddy to the rescue" (or vice versa) storylines which frankly the series can do without.

by **Cornicer** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:10 am

bcm77 wrote:I'm looking forward to part 2 but after that it's "The Doctor's Daughter" which I'm really hoping is just a reference to that fact that Peter Davison's daughter will be in it.
Revealing that the Doctor has a child IMO takes away some of the characters mysterious quality in the same way that Attack Of The Clones did for Boba Fett and will mean we get a load of cheesy "Daddy to the rescue" (or vice versa) storylines which frankly the series can do without.

You know he kind of HAD to have a kid before Susan, right? It's not exactly a surprise that he'd have one.

Though I will say I'm kinda afraid to see how they handle the episode; it could be pretty bad, but I'm gonna reserve judgement till it actually airs(or, at least, till we see the previews). Also, I'm beginning to wonder if all of Gallifrey isn't still alive.

by **bcm77** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:24 am

Cornicer wrote:
bcm77 wrote:I'm looking forward to part 2 but after that it's "The Doctor's Daughter" which I'm really hoping is just a reference to that fact that Peter Davison's daughter will be in it.
Revealing that the Doctor has a child IMO takes away some of the characters mysterious quality in the same way that Attack Of The Clones did for Boba Fett and will mean we get a load of cheesy "Daddy to the rescue" (or vice versa) storylines which frankly the series can do without.

You know he kind of HAD to have a kid before Susan, right? It's not exactly a surprise that he'd have one.

Though I will say I'm kinda afraid to see how they handle the episode; it could be pretty bad, but I'm gonna reserve judgement till it actually airs(or, at least, till we see the previews). Also, I'm beginning to wonder if all of Gallifrey isn't still alive.

I suppose but it's just not something I'm intrested in seeing and I'll be very suprised if it's handled well,RTD deserves some credit for bring Doctor Who back to screens but a big chunk of it has been poor and Torchwood is the worst spinoff ever created.

by **Lorekeeper** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:20 am

Cornicer wrote:
bcm77 wrote:I'm looking forward to part 2 but after that it's "The Doctor's Daughter" which I'm really hoping is just a reference to that fact that Peter Davison's daughter will be in it.
Revealing that the Doctor has a child IMO takes away some of the characters mysterious quality in the same way that Attack Of The Clones did for Boba Fett and will mean we get a load of cheesy "Daddy to the rescue" (or vice versa) storylines which frankly the series can do without.

You know he kind of HAD to have a kid before Susan, right? It's not exactly a surprise that he'd have one.

Though I will say I'm kinda afraid to see how they handle the episode; it could be pretty bad, but I'm gonna reserve judgement till it actually airs(or, at least, till we see the previews). Also, I'm beginning to wonder if all of Gallifrey isn't still alive.

Wasn't there a novel where the Doctor lived in the same place for decades and had a family and grew old and such?

As for Susan, I thought she was adopted...

Is the whole loom/family set up of Gallifrey canon?

The title's probably a red herring. I doubt that the series is going to give THE Doctor a biological daughter.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:50 am

oh if only we had spoiler tags....

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:09 pm

And does anyone know the reason behind changing U.N.I.T. from the "United Nations Intelligence Taskforce" to the "Unified Intelligence Taskforce"?

Aside from it being RTD "updating" things.

by **Cornicer** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:00 pm

Burn wrote:And does anyone know the reason behind changing U.N.I.T. from the "United Nations Intelligence Taskforce" to the "Unified Intelligence Taskforce"?

Aside from it being RTD "updating" things.

The UN didn't want to be associated with UNIT anymore; hence Unified Intelligence Taskforce.

by **bcm77** » Sat May 03, 2008 9:27 am

Cornicer wrote:
Burn wrote:And does anyone know the reason behind changing U.N.I.T. from the "United Nations Intelligence Taskforce" to the "Unified Intelligence Taskforce"?

Aside from it being RTD "updating" things.

The UN didn't want to be associated with UNIT anymore; hence Unified Intelligence Taskforce.

Yeah the real UN don't like being linked with an organisation that actually takes positive action to resolve situations :grin:

by **bcm77** » Sat May 03, 2008 1:32 pm

The Poison Sky was a great follow up to last week's episode but next week looks like being the moment that the franchise finally jumps the shark.
The Doctor's daughter appears to be a clone of Buffy The Vampire Slayer and unless she gets killed off straight away I expect all manner of cheesy "save me Daddy!" BS for the rest of the series.
After seeing this latest RTD brainfart I really don't want to see what he does with Davros and am not even bothered about the return of Rose any more.
The series went down the toilet during JNT's reign in the 80's and after a decent start under RTD things appear to be going the same way. Here's hoping he leaves after the specials next year and takes the increasingly irritating Tennant with him.

by **homelessjunkeon** » Sat May 03, 2008 5:22 pm

spoilers wrote:Did anyone else notice what looked like Rose Tyler on the screen in the TARDIS, right before the doctor began speaking to the Sontarrans?

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun May 04, 2008 2:18 am

homelessjunkeon wrote:
spoilers wrote:Did anyone else notice what looked like Rose Tyler on the screen in the TARDIS, right before the doctor began speaking to the Sontarrans?

Yes. Yes I did.

Not sure what to expect with next week's episode, but it is well titled as it really is The Doctor's Daughter.

Georgia Moffett who is playing the role is the actual daughter of Peter Davidson.

So if people are worried about next week's, just sit through it, enjoy it, hate it, and the same for the week after that. Because after these two episodes we get this seasons contribution from Steven Moffat. And it's a two parter.

by **bcm77** » Sun May 04, 2008 8:05 am

The news that Steven Moffat's story will air a couple of weeks after The Doctor's Daughter doesn't exactly fill me with optimism as I find his previous work on Doctor Who to be mediocre or in the case of Blink utter bollocks.
I suppose the Doctor will turn up for the first 5 minutes of part 1 only to disappear until the end of part 2 and we'll have to pretend it's a Doctor Who story for the rest of the time :roll:

News Credits: 1 · by **Matrix.** » Sun May 04, 2008 11:46 am

bcm77 wrote:The news that Steven Moffat's story will air a couple of weeks after The Doctor's Daughter doesn't exactly fill me with optimism as I find his previous work on Doctor Who to be mediocre or in the case of Blink utter bollocks.
I suppose the Doctor will turn up for the first 5 minutes of part 1 only to disappear until the end of part 2 and we'll have to pretend it's a Doctor Who story for the rest of the time

Blink? Utter bollocks?

No. I can't respond. Anything I want to say will only get me banned.

by **Cornicer** » Sun May 04, 2008 12:33 pm

bcm77 wrote:The news that Steven Moffat's story will air a couple of weeks after The Doctor's Daughter doesn't exactly fill me with optimism as I find his previous work on Doctor Who to be mediocre or in the case of Blink utter bollocks.

No idea what show you're watching, cause I absolutely LOVE Moffat's stories. I mean, if you think that Blink was bollocks, and the Empty Child was mediocre, I shudder at what you think of some of the turkeys from the original series(*cough*The Happiness Patrol*cough*).

Anyway, this week's episode was a good end to a very good two-parter. Unfortunately the next one doesn't look so hot(why is the Doctor's daughter some sort of super-acrobat? /sigh).

And yeah, I'm REALLY looking forward to Silence in the Library.

by **bcm77** » Sun May 04, 2008 1:05 pm

Matrix. wrote:
bcm77 wrote:The news that Steven Moffat's story will air a couple of weeks after The Doctor's Daughter doesn't exactly fill me with optimism as I find his previous work on Doctor Who to be mediocre or in the case of Blink utter bollocks.
I suppose the Doctor will turn up for the first 5 minutes of part 1 only to disappear until the end of part 2 and we'll have to pretend it's a Doctor Who story for the rest of the time

Blink? Utter bollocks?

No. I can't respond. Anything I want to say will only get me banned.

Respond in any way you like I really don't give a crap.
Maybe you like watching episodes of "Doctor Where?" as opposed to Doctor Who but I don't and I cannot see why so many people have their dicks out for a story where the character the series is named after only makes a cameo.
And as for Moffat's other stories,I just didn't find them to be anything special but that can be said for the majority of Nu-Who stories. I'm fully aware that the Classic era had more than it's share of stinkers but I at least have the knowledge about which ones sucked and will avoid viewing them on DVD or if they get shown on a cable channel.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:12 pm

You're actually the first person i've come across to NOT like Blink. My first thought was "something's not right with that boy", but eh, I still cop crap for liking Love and Monsters.

Still, must have been something good about Blink because it picked up a writing award at the recent BAFTA's.

by **bcm77** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:44 am

I just don't get the point of an episode where the Doctor is barely in it. To me that's almost false advertising,you wouldn't tune in to a football game only to get news for most of the match and join the action with a couple of minutes to go would you?
If it had been part of a 2 or 3 part story the Doctor's absence would have made more sense but to me it just seemed like a generic sci-fi story with the Doctor added as an afterthought.
As for the BAFTAS I pay zero attention to them,the other year they gave an award for writing that was named after the late,great Ronnie Barker to the hacks that write Little Britain so for me they have no credibility whatsoever.