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MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Cuz this one's better? It can actually be played with as an action figure with articulation and isn't a gimmicky brick.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Probably not, It seems when they use pre millennium molds, they're recent reissues. The scorponok head was actually a retooled Encore Spike Witwicky (Cerebros's head). Now for dirgigun, I have no idea where he came from.

It's a cool deco, but it's not what I want for an Optimus Prime, and while I liked someone's suggestion that it's a retake on AOE Hound to go with "Totally Not Movie Megatron", that's not a character I NEED.

Sabrblade wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Cuz this one's better? It can actually be played with as an action figure with articulation and isn't a gimmicky brick.

If they're going to do unreleased toys, I'd rather get the unreleased toy... I have no need for an update on a toy that doesn't exist in the first place, let alone looks nothing like his namesake

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Probably not, It seems when they use pre millennium molds, they're recent reissues. The scorponok head was actually a retooled Encore Spike Witwicky (Cerebros's head). Now for dirgigun, I have no idea where he came from.

And Big Convoy, although he was rereleased in 2003

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

UltraPrimal wrote:G1 accuracy or not, I'd actually prefer a Prime-style head. Without it, he's just kinda...GI Joe Roadbuster.

To be fair, the green one didn't look like prime at all. It isn't really even Prime-like if you think about it.

LOL, what a dirtbag!

Weird.The idea just weirder than Transmutate.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Cuz this one's better? It can actually be played with as an action figure with articulation and isn't a gimmicky brick.

If they're going to do unreleased toys, I'd rather get the unreleased toy... I have no need for an update on a toy that doesn't exist in the first place, let alone looks nothing like his namesake

Except we're not getting any unreleased toys in their original molds. Oilmaster's shell is a brand new mold only inspired by the original shell mold. And all the Waspinator redecos use the Generations mold. This one's just following in suit.

And it wasn't an unreleased mold. It got released in G2 as Dirtbag, in Beast Wars Second as Autostinger, and in the Korean Car Bot line as Scoutstinger.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Probably not, It seems when they use pre millennium molds, they're recent reissues. The scorponok head was actually a retooled Encore Spike Witwicky (Cerebros's head). Now for dirgigun, I have no idea where he came from.

And Big Convoy, although he was rereleased in 2003

Certain Beast Era molds are evidently still available. Pete's even gone on record that they tried yet again to get Transmetal Fractyl (the one 3H never released) into this year's set, but couldn't fit him in, so that TM Terrorsaur mold has got to be still around. But most of anything from G2 and back seems to now be off the table for the Club.

Sabrblade wrote:Certain Beast Era molds are evidently still available. Pete's even gone on record that they tried yet again to get Transmetal Fractyl (the one 3H never released) into this year's set, but couldn't fit him in, so that TM Terrorsaur mold has got to be still around. But most of anything from G2 and back seems to now be off the table for the Club.

I wonder if that was the original transmetal version, or the Armada version they were going to use.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Certain Beast Era molds are evidently still available. Pete's even gone on record that they tried yet again to get Transmetal Fractyl (the one 3H never released) into this year's set, but couldn't fit him in, so that TM Terrorsaur mold has got to be still around. But most of anything from G2 and back seems to now be off the table for the Club.

I wonder if that was the original transmetal version, or the Armada version they were going to use.

Hopefully the original, but if the Armada one is also available, I wouldn't be opposed to the Club or anyone finally giving us a toy of Ravenus, complete with the Dinobots Terranotron Spark Crystal retooling to include the Doomstone.

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Certain Beast Era molds are evidently still available. Pete's even gone on record that they tried yet again to get Transmetal Fractyl (the one 3H never released) into this year's set, but couldn't fit him in, so that TM Terrorsaur mold has got to be still around. But most of anything from G2 and back seems to now be off the table for the Club.

I wonder if that was the original transmetal version, or the Armada version they were going to use.

Hopefully the original, but if the Armada one is also available, I wouldn't be opposed to the Club or anyone finally giving us a toy of Ravenus, complete with the Dinobots Terranotron Spark Crystal retooling to include the Doomstone.

That'd be interesting, it seems that, usually, one of the molds outside of the troopbuilder, is used twice. Like a box set with TM fractyl with Ravenus as like a souvenir, or vice versa.

Sabrblade wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Would have been better if they used Combiner Wars Long Haul for General Optimus Prime.

They can't use a mold for a toy that hasn't even come out yet.

Or some other dump truck(ish) mold.

Sabrblade wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Cuz this one's better? It can actually be played with as an action figure with articulation and isn't a gimmicky brick.

If they're going to do unreleased toys, I'd rather get the unreleased toy... I have no need for an update on a toy that doesn't exist in the first place, let alone looks nothing like his namesake

Except we're not getting any unreleased toys in their original molds. Oilmaster's shell is a brand new mold only inspired by the original shell mold. And all the Waspinator redecos use the Generations mold. This one's just following in suit.

And it wasn't an unreleased mold. It got released in G2 as Dirtbag, in Beast Wars Second as Autostinger, and in the Korean Car Bot line as Scoutstinger.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Why didn't they use the original mold it was meant to be? Is it not available?

Probably not, It seems when they use pre millennium molds, they're recent reissues. The scorponok head was actually a retooled Encore Spike Witwicky (Cerebros's head). Now for dirgigun, I have no idea where he came from.

And Big Convoy, although he was rereleased in 2003

Certain Beast Era molds are evidently still available. Pete's even gone on record that they tried yet again to get Transmetal Fractyl (the one 3H never released) into this year's set, but couldn't fit him in, so that TM Terrorsaur mold has got to be still around. But most of anything from G2 and back seems to now be off the table for the Club.

I would have much rather had TransMetal Horrorcon Waspinator as well, and the other unreleased toys in this set. Unreleased concepts in different molds is so unsatisfying.
I didn't say unreleased mold... I say unreleased toy, implying General OP.

So they could have done Fractyl but decided to do a bunch of random crap instead? Can't say I'm surprised.

You know who would have been a fitting mold for General Optimus, although also supposedly "Off the Table"? Energon Demolshor. Dump truck, with like a gazillion Missiles.

Flashwave wrote:You know who would have been a fitting mold for General Optimus, although also supposedly "Off the Table"? Energon Demolshor. Dump truck, with like a gazillion Missiles.

Yes any dump truck!

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Would have been better if they used Combiner Wars Long Haul for General Optimus Prime.

They can't use a mold for a toy that hasn't even come out yet.

Or some other dump truck(ish) mold.

They can't use onscreen movie molds either.

Show me a post-G2, non-movie, Deluxe or bigger, non-green dump truck mold from previous years that has a headculpt that looks enough like Dirtbag's head.

Flashwave wrote:You know who would have been a fitting mold for General Optimus, although also supposedly "Off the Table"? Energon Demolshor. Dump truck, with like a gazillion Missiles.

Redecoing a primarily green dump truck into a primarily green dump truck is not a very inspiring selling point.

Sabrblade wrote:Redecoing a primarily green dump truck into a primarily green dump truck is not a very inspiring selling point.

Didn't stopped them with Deathsarus, and Cyclonus from 3H... not drastically different decos, as purple and blue aren't terribly different

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Redecoing a primarily green dump truck into a primarily green dump truck is not a very inspiring selling point.

Didn't stopped them with Deathsarus, and Cyclonus from 3H... not drastically different decos, as purple and blue aren't terribly different

Purple to blue and blue to purple is still more drastic than green to green.

Sabrblade wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Would have been better if they used Combiner Wars Long Haul for General Optimus Prime.

They can't use a mold for a toy that hasn't even come out yet.

Or some other dump truck(ish) mold.

They can't use onscreen movie molds either.

Show me a post-G2, non-movie, Deluxe or bigger, non-green dump truck mold from previous years that has a headculpt that looks enough like Dirtbag's head.

Why would I have to SHOW you that when we are posting our opinions that are much more fitting than the mold they chose? There is no physical law in the universe stopping them from using a dump truck, they choose not to.

Sabrblade wrote:Redecoing a primarily green dump truck into a primarily green dump truck is not a very inspiring selling point.

Neither is repainting a weak figure into a character who bears no resemblance to the toy being repainted that's supposed to reference a toy that never was. Oilmaster is a fairly inventive figure, and a much better use of the long-lost concept figure idea than this weak repaint. TFCC has gotten real lame with some of these exclusives in recent years, but this Roadbuster repaint is all kinds of lame.
Just my opinion, as this seems like it's one of those threads where disagreement earns you a bevy of TFwiki info that's somehow supposed to change your opinion. I'm not a hater of the TFCC, but I also don't feel the need to vehemently defend everything they do as being great when something like this figure is a clear sign of reaching for a reference that doesn't really work. Energon Demolisher would have been a much better choice if this was what they were going for.

True, I only picked the movie Long Haul because of the arm rockets like the original Dirt Bag and wheel placement in robot mode.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:Why would I have to SHOW you that when we are posting our opinions that are much more fitting than the mold they choose? There is no physical law in the universe stopping them from using a dump truck, they choose not to.

Ya already showed one option (an unusable one, though), so there's the precedent for my asking to show another.

If you don't want to SHOW one (not that posting a pic is even that difficult), then just TELL of one in text form. What dump truck mold could they have used that came out in previous years, after G2, is a Deluxe or bigger, is not a Paramount-owned movie mold, isn't green, and has a headsculpt that could pass for G2 Dirtbag's head?

Dagon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Redecoing a primarily green dump truck into a primarily green dump truck is not a very inspiring selling point.

Neither is repainting a weak figure into a character who bears no resemblance to the toy being repainted that's supposed to reference a toy that never was. Oilmaster is a fairly inventive figure, and a much better use of the long-lost concept figure idea than this weak repaint. TFCC has gotten real lame with some of these exclusives in recent years, but this Roadbuster repaint is all kinds of lame.
Just my opinion, as this seems like it's one of those threads where disagreement earns you a bevy of TFwiki info that's somehow supposed to change your opinion. I'm not a hater of the TFCC, but I also don't feel the need to vehemently defend everything they do as being great when something like this figure is a clear sign of reaching for a reference that doesn't really work. Energon Demolisher would have been a much better choice if this was what they were going for.

Please look back at all my posts on this matter and tell me if I ever said that this was a good mold choice for this figure? Because I don't recall having done so, instead having only explained why they didn't go with other options suggested on here.

While Energon Demolishor possibly could have worked better, is there really an incentive appeal in owning a premium version of that figure in colors that are more or less within the same spectrum as the original toy's deco? With Energon Demolishor already being predominately green as he is, what's to stop someone from ignoring an official General Optimus Prime toy from that mold and instead just taking and repurposing the original toy as a permanent stand-in? Though not army camo, its colors are "close enough" that it could serve as a General Optimus Prime repurpose as it is. The deco seen on this Roadbuster mold, however, is dramatically different from the original mold's "primarily orange and brown with some green" deco, enough that it's more likely to appeal to those who wouldn't mind owning a version of the Roadbuster mold in a deco so different from the original.

There's also the matter of mold availability to consider. Aside from Scorponok last year, the Club hasn't used any Unicron Trilogy molds since 2011 (SG Galvatron from Cybertron Evac), so it's very possible that they no longer have easy access to those molds, demoting them to now being very special cases like last year's Scorponok. But since Scorponok proved to be well worth the effort they likely went to to get that mold last year, I frankly just can't see General Optimus Prime from Demolishor (or from any mold, really) having the same kind of universal fan appeal as to warrant the Club pursuing the Energon Demolishor mold. So instead of spending more money than they'd likely make, they seem to have gone with what was readily available for them to use and chose from that selection, as it's most likely that the majority of their budget for this year went into making Oilmaster's shell.

But as far as MY own personal views on whether or not the Energon Demolishor would have been a better choice, all I'll say is that, while I can sympathize with preferring a dump truck mold, I do think that the Roadbuster mold's headsculpt bears a bit of a closer resemblance to Dirtbag's head than Demolishor's head does. And that's all I'll say on that matter since I in all honesty don't care that much about General Optimus Prime to be bothered that much by his being a dump truck or an armored off road vehicle or anything that isn't too outlandish or too far from the source material. It isn't that I favor this mold over Demolishor, I just don't care enough about the original unreleased figure to get that upset about this updated version.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:True, I only picked the movie Long Haul because of the arm rockets like the original Dirt Bag and wheel placement in robot mode.

That's understandable. But it's simply just not a mold that the Club is permitted to use.

All of this apparent hate (which in actuality only seems to be 5 vocal posters here) should mean that this will be cheap to get in the aftermarket for those of us not going, right?

I like the camo look but Generations Roadbuster is just such a half-hearted figure to begin with. Horribly basic for a Voyager mold (especially when compared to Springer) with plenty of room for improvement (why they just left the wheels hanging off the forearms I just don't know).