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*sigh*
This should have been done the FIRST TIME. I would have bought this back in the day, even at $200, but I really cannot justify the cost for this. IDK, I love Screamer, but in this day and age of financial hardship, it's pick and choose and I don't think I can choose this as much as I want to, especially for a figure I basically have already.

Looks like more of my money is going to 3rd parties (again) for 2012.

Is that the price for the 3 seeker box set?

This new price point for the MP line is even lamer than the unnecessary reboot. Are these stupid accessories supposed to make up the more than $100 difference of the previous versions? They're not doing a very good job answering iGear's bell by putting out similar product for twice the price...

Already saw this coming since they released MP-03. The shoulder pegs had to connect to "something".
Also, they've remolded more than just the legs; basically all the uncolored grey parts there are new parts.

And MP-11A? Seriously? Guess 11B, 11C, 11D and so on are sure coming. Good thing the only MP SS I had was the original MP-03.

Really disappointed.

Motorthing wrote:Totally and utterly pointless. We get few enough of these things and to blow a slot on this is pretty unforgivable. I already have all the MP Starscream I'm ever going to need. And Skywarp, and Thundercracker and I never cared enough about the coneheads to want to spend MP money on them so enough is definitely enough.

Somewhere Waylon Smithers is shouting and pointing "but he has a new hat.....!!!"

New characters only Hastak or you don't get my money from now on.

It's not a wasted slot. it cost next to nothing to keep pumping out recolors & remolds.

Recolors & remolds serve a purpose. they keep milking the molds for more profit. while older molds are being milked for more profit,this allows Takara/Hasbro more time to focus on creating newer molds & making them more awesome.

I suspect the grey parts on the figure are to represent the death scene of Starscream when galvatron kills him.

$200 is a bit much for a recolor & remold. I already own a few of this mold & don't need anymore.

I'm not impressed with the remolded parts enough to throw down another $200 on this mold.

I wonder if or when a 3rd party company will re-create that cool looking plastic sculpted cape,crown & shoulder pads. I already own the cornoation kit that includes the kings crown,cloth cape & shoulder pads. I want the cape it looks like a gundam robot cape or like batman's cape.

Kibble wrote:Is that the price for the 3 seeker box set?

This new price point for the MP line is even lamer than the unnecessary reboot. Are these stupid accessories supposed to make up the more than $100 difference of the previous versions? They're not doing a very good job answering iGear's bell by putting out similar product for twice the price...

Comparing a liscensed mold to a un-liscensed 3rd party mold is like comparing gold versus copper. the lisecensed mold most of the time is more superior due to it having stonger,more exspensive materials,better quality control & the sheer fact it's worth more on the secondary market.

Kibble wrote:What's worse, if the pics are accurate, this thing looks to only be a retool of the previous mold! Basically a rip-off of iGear's rip-off. Sorry, but if there's any hope of suckering me to buy an unnecessary figure at TWICE the price, you need an entirely new design! No way in hell I'm dishing out $200+ a pop for the leg/hip kibble mod and a coronation kit that just about anyone who cares about it already purchased for their current version.

So were upset about 3rd party companies getting ripped off by liscensed companies,are you serious?

Igear deserves to get ripped off by Takara/Hasbro,they started it & now takara/hasbro is gonna finsish it.

I love buying 3rd party TF toys but I ain't gonna defend them for getting ripped off by liscensed companies. they deserve it because they started it first. don't start something if you can't handle the consequences later on.

As Fans,this is none of our business,we are just buyers. this business of getting upset & bent out of shape belongs to the liscensed & unliscensed companies.

Have you been paying attention to the MP QC of late? This is simply inaccurate. All things being equal, I'd buy the official product. For twice the price for basically the same thing...if I were actually going to buy a modded MP seeker, honestly I'd buy the iGear one for half the price. Mind you, I plan to just stick with the original versions I already have, but that's beside the point.[/quote]

IMHO,Masterpiece TF toys receive the most bashing by fans for a few reasons like as follows: (1) the price tag,fans think because their paying those high prices they deserve SUPER EXTREME ULTRA PERFECTION. (2) Half the internet fans complaining about masterpiece TF toys don't even own any of the molds. they just like to complain to ruin/steal away the joy for those of us who actually own the molds & can afford them. (3) the majority of the internet TF fans prefer quanity over quality. most would rather own 50+ inferior legends sized TF toys for the same price a masterpiece TF toy cost from Takara. most fans don't like the bigger molds nor appreciate the effort that goes into them. it's leaps & bounds easier to create a smaller mold & tons harder to create a bigger TF toy mold.

What's worse, if the pics are accurate, this thing looks to only be a retool of the previous mold! Basically a rip-off of iGear's rip-off. Sorry, but if there's any hope of suckering me to buy an unnecessary figure at TWICE the price, you need an entirely new design! No way in hell I'm dishing out $200+ a pop for the leg/hip kibble mod and a coronation kit that just about anyone who cares about it already purchased for their current version.

deathy wrote:Comparing a liscensed mold to a un-liscensed 3rd party mold is like comparing gold versus copper. the lisecensed mold most of the time is more superior due to it having stonger,more exspensive materials,better quality control & the sheer fact it's worth more on the secondary market.

Have you been paying attention to the MP QC of late? This is simply inaccurate. All things being equal, I'd buy the official product. For twice the price for basically the same thing...if I were actually going to buy a modded MP seeker, honestly I'd buy the iGear one for half the price. Mind you, I plan to just stick with the original versions I already have, but that's beside the point.

Those iGear revised MP Seekers are on par with official releases in terms of quality. I have the Coneheads and Sunstorm and have zero QC issues with any of them. You could buy iGear's revised Starscream and TFC's Coronation set and come out ahead on this deal. Unless there's "more than meets the eye" here.

Check these out. Pics of prototypes from 2006.







Looks like the new release takes a lot from the old prototypes.

So they ditched what Kawamori initially implemented......the samurai sword scabbard look to the early pro-type that had the rear wing kibble attached to his back shins. Nice!

wewyllenium wrote:Check these out. Pics of prototypes from 2006.







Looks like the new release takes a lot from the old prototypes.

forget it.

honestly takara......F.U!

I understand the rise in petroleum is taking a toll on you guys along with restructuring after the tsunami....but for **** sakes.....$200+ for this fig?

you'll probably cheap out on the di-cast, the paint sheen, and obviously the plastic, oh and gimmicks.

you have really disappointed me and I am definitely going to pass on this fig. I love my original MP STARSCREAM even in the non traditional g1 paint scheme.

$220!!!!!!????????

how the hell can you justify this? I remember buying MP Screamer for $110!!!!! you're asking for double the price!

as a transfan my whole life, growing with the original cartoons back in the 80's, and witnessing the change that has become the transformers of today.........takara you are making me into less of a fan.

this hobby is getting toooo expensive and you are abusing the fans.

I think i'm going to stick to the 3rd party group now because they do listen to the fans, make great products, and they don't cost a mortgage.

Takara
F OFF!

Well. This could work for those who have not bought an MP Seeker. I'm all for it.

mesh wrote:honestly takara......F.U!

I understand the rise in petroleum is taking a toll on you guys along with restructuring after the tsunami....but for **** sakes.....$200+ for this fig?

you'll probably cheap out on the di-cast, the paint sheen, and obviously the plastic, oh and gimmicks.

you have really disappointed me and I am definitely going to pass on this fig. I love my original MP STARSCREAM even in the non traditional g1 paint scheme.

$220!!!!!!????????

how the hell can you justify this? I remember buying MP Screamer for $110!!!!! you're asking for double the price!

as a transfan my whole life, growing with the original cartoons back in the 80's, and witnessing the change that has become the transformers of today.........takara you are making me into less of a fan.

this hobby is getting toooo expensive and you are abusing the fans.

I think i'm going to stick to the 3rd party group now because they do listen to the fans, make great products, and they don't cost a mortgage.

Takara
F OFF!

Takara & Hasbro have the rights & privilages to do as they please. fans buy from them but they don't own the company.

getting this worked up about a toy is kinda ridiculous. we as fans don't have to own everything. their is more important things in life than plastic toys.

This is an easy pass for me, as I don't need another MP Starscream. Plus my wallet will thank me as well.

Oh, imagine if they had decided on the first MP combiner in the form of Devastator? Could be smaller than the current TFC version that is slowly rolling out and all parts released as one purchase.

Everyone can relax now...the seeker mod is 'only' gonna be $160.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

(still a rip-off for a retool)

Kibble wrote:Everyone can relax now...the seeker mod is 'only' gonna be $160.

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/prod ... ode=retail

(still a rip-off for a retool)

$160 is £101, so why are Kapow after £139?

Already have him so i'll pass and that price is ridiculous, this is a toy not a high end statue.

Prime Evil wrote:*sigh*
This should have been done the FIRST TIME. I would have bought this back in the day, even at $200, but I really cannot justify the cost for this. IDK, I love Screamer, but in this day and age of financial hardship, it's pick and choose and I don't think I can choose this as much as I want to, especially for a figure I basically have already.

Looks like more of my money is going to 3rd parties (again) for 2012.

not everyone has this already.. it's not like they're readily available everywhere.

i just checked ebay for masterpiece starscream.. they're going for between $150-$164 for buy it now.. now for about $50 you get a (what is likely going to be better) remolded mp starscream.. plus the pilot, and all of his coronation add ons. not to mention a cape that is more than just a cheap piece of fabric.

i'm totally down for this. i own the original takara green starscream, and the hasbro version (i lost the tail wings on that version) .. so for me this is good.

now.. HOPEFULLY he's colored accurately. i don't understand where down the line starscream became white with silver and red stripes.. but it has to stop. he's supposed to be grey with red and white stripes. so.. hopefully he looks that way this time.

Ravage XK wrote:$160 is £101, so why are Kapow after £139?

Bleed the die-hards to make up for the other half of the stock that ends up on clearance because so many view it as an unnecessary purchase?

anyone notice that Star. has his side panels from before now attached to his legs.
if anyone stated this before me then please forgive me as i don't have time to stay online for now.

starwarrior1227 wrote:anyone notice that Star. has his side panels from before now attached to his legs.
if anyone stated this before me then please forgive me as i don't have time to stay online for now.

Yup, been mentioned.

So Takara is now looking to the third-party products to decide what to do next? iGear downsizes the MP-01 now we have MP-10. TFC makes a coronation set for Starscream and iGear fixes the hip kibble now we MP-11. Guess I should expect official MP Coneheads and MP Soundwave soon.

El Duque wrote:Guess I should expect official MP Coneheads and MP Soundwave soon.

Hmmmmmm.... ya think?

DevastaTTor wrote:

El Duque wrote:Guess I should expect official MP Coneheads and MP Soundwave soon.

Hmmmmmm.... ya think?

I hope, though I don't see how they could top the iGear Coneheads if they use this as the base mold.

Though I won't be buying one anytime soon (still saving for MP-10) I'm kind of surprised with all the complaints about his price. It's primarily for the Japanese market, and dear lord, you haven't seen the other more pricier toy lines that will make your head spin.