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Well there's a lot ahead of him, and us. There won't be a perfect, flawless way to fix everything, and the problems promise to get worse. We all have to stand strong behind our new president, and hope and pray for his leadership in the times ahead. It certainly is a momentous occasion, now let's go forward and change America.

Shadowman wrote:

Silverbolt wrote:I predict that he will be a very mediocre to bad president who will be made to look like a saint by the media, who's messes will have to be cleaned up by the next guy in office who will get the blame for the whole thing.

The guy has done nothing, most of his time as a senator was spent trying to become President.

Everything I've heard about this guy leads me to believe that he'll put a band aid on a problem that requires serious surgery.

Wait, are you talking about George W. Bush? Because he wasn't a Senator.

And GW is constantly bashed so using his short comings isn't exactly a strong argument either.

Still I'd gladly take another 20 years of GW over 4 years of Obama.

Kalon wrote:A Transformer site overly involved in politics.

Pick one or the other not both for this site.

overly involved? It is one thread.
Just a FYI, this is the General Discussion area, where pretty much anything can be discussed. Don't get pissy because the Philosophers forum is closed and take it out here.
Attitudes like this will not sway the thoughts of possibly bringing that section back either.

Archanubis wrote:

Shadowman wrote:You know the Constitution was designed that way, right? It was written incomplete. That's why it's been amended (Amendment = a change) 27 times to date. Because there's so much that was left out, we had to change it that many times just to keep our country from tearing itself apart.

Yet, the fact that in 200+ years it's only been amended that many times, compared the the thousands of amendments in state constitutions (or those that have been completely rewritten), says something about it.

Even though the US Constitution hasn't been amended relatively as many times, when it is amended, it's usually very important, and a good idea that was either left out, or unthinkable when the Constitution was written. Particularly Amendments 13, 15, and 19.

Silverbolt wrote:And GW is constantly bashed so using his short comings isn't exactly a strong argument either.

Still I'd gladly take another 20 years of GW over 4 years of Obama.

Really? Because I'd prefer NOT having a recession.

Silverbolt wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Silverbolt wrote:I predict that he will be a very mediocre to bad president who will be made to look like a saint by the media, who's messes will have to be cleaned up by the next guy in office who will get the blame for the whole thing.

The guy has done nothing, most of his time as a senator was spent trying to become President.

Everything I've heard about this guy leads me to believe that he'll put a band aid on a problem that requires serious surgery.

Wait, are you talking about George W. Bush? Because he wasn't a Senator.

And GW is constantly bashed so using his short comings isn't exactly a strong argument either.

Still I'd gladly take another 20 years of GW over 4 years of Obama.

Please note that this thread is NOT supposed to be a political discussion. Let's enjoy the celebration of this Inauguration Day. Please don't rain on our parade!

...It was a damn fine speech, though. I'm glad I voted for him. I really think he can get the job done.

Seibertron wrote:

omega666 wrote:Fix the economy so that I can have more money to buy more Transformers figures!

lol

I concur!

Silverbolt wrote:Still I'd gladly take another 20 years of GW over 4 years of Obama.

I don't think Bush would survive even another four years - the president's office has killed other presidents in the past. FDR had four terms, and he died very early in his fourth term.

Say what you will of Bush, but you have to admit he was a very congenial man with a sense of humor. Whether or not he was a good president - that, I'm sure, will be debated for a while in the near future.

Just as Ryan said, keep the politics out of it.

Cyber Bishop wrote:Just as Ryan said, keep the politics out of it.

Agreed...

I wonder, though. Did a picture of George W. Bush appear on the banner of this site when he was sworn in? This site was around, right?

Just curious...

Shadowman wrote:Even though the US Constitution hasn't been amended relatively as many times, when it is amended, it's usually very important, and a good idea that was either left out, or unthinkable when the Constitution was written. Particularly Amendments 13, 15, and 19.

And there have been mistakes - like the 18th Amendment, but that's getting off the subject.

TFBuyer wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Just as Ryan said, keep the politics out of it.

Agreed...

I wonder, though. Did a picture of George W. Bush appear on the banner of this site when he was sworn in? This site was around, right?

Just curious...

If it was around, I doubt there was a picture of Bush. I bet part of the reason Obama is up there is because he's from Illinois where Seibertron lives

I doubt it, but I've been wrong before.

I do recognize the picture as being from the IDW comic that circulated about him and McCain during the elections last year.

TFBuyer wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Just as Ryan said, keep the politics out of it.

Agreed...

I wonder, though. Did a picture of George W. Bush appear on the banner of this site when he was sworn in? This site was around, right?

Just curious...

Judging by Ryan's joined date, it came online in mid-late 2001. So no, it wouldn't have.

I just found this picture, AWESOME!!

Shadowman wrote:

TFBuyer wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Just as Ryan said, keep the politics out of it.

Agreed...

I wonder, though. Did a picture of George W. Bush appear on the banner of this site when he was sworn in? This site was around, right?

Just curious...

Judging by Ryan's joined date, it came online in mid-late 2001. So no, it wouldn't have.

Bush was sworn in twice.
It was not up there for his second term.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Sharpwing wrote:As a citizen of the supposed 'free world' (I'm Dutch), I'd say it would be best if we judge Obama's presidency when he has served his first term.

I agree 100%.
We will see what happens now.
I wish him the best in his new position.

Yep, it's a great moment in time but this president, as with all that came before him, will be judged on his accomplishments from this day forward. He hasn't saved the world quiet yet but despite not voting for him, I will most certainly support him and his efforts to do so. Good luck Mr. President.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

TFBuyer wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Just as Ryan said, keep the politics out of it.

Agreed...

I wonder, though. Did a picture of George W. Bush appear on the banner of this site when he was sworn in? This site was around, right?

Just curious...

Judging by Ryan's joined date, it came online in mid-late 2001. So no, it wouldn't have.

Bush was sworn in twice.
It was not up there for his second term.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm just all about the equality, I guess.

I have yet to see a George W. Bush comic book, though.

I'm always in awe of our political process, so this is indeed a great day! ...but I'm also always a little wary of someone who receives god-like status for whatever reason (or none at all). It just makes me nervous...

I'll gladly remain hopeful for the future of the country, though!

TFBuyer wrote:I'm just all about the equality, I guess.

As am I.

TFBuyer wrote:but I'm also always a little wary of someone who receives god-like status for whatever reason (or none at all). It just makes me nervous...

This is my one major concern with this situation as well.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

TFBuyer wrote:I'm just all about the equality, I guess.

As am I.

Man is born equal.

Communism requires man to be equal.
Freedom and the American dream allows man to excel or fail.

That is your opinion.

Society sees things differently most of the time.
I know plenty that failed because society did not treat them as equal. They tried for the "American dream" and because of how society treated them they were not allowed to succeed.

Counterpunch wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:

TFBuyer wrote:I'm just all about the equality, I guess.

As am I.

Man is born equal.

Communism requires man to be equal.
Freedom and the American dream allows man to excel or fail.

United States Declaration of Independence wrote:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I knew it! Jefferson and company were communists!

*phones McCarthy*

Thanks Sharpwing, I was just about to post that.

*phones McCarthy*

LOL.

NOW let's get back on topic, I do sincerely hope that the change is good and we can get back to life without worrying about recessions and such.

Silverbolt wrote:I predict that he will be a very mediocre to bad president who will be made to look like a saint by the media, who's messes will have to be cleaned up by the next guy in office who will get the blame for the whole thing.

The guy has done nothing, most of his time as a senator was spent trying to become President.

Everything I've heard about this guy leads me to believe that he'll put a band aid on a problem that requires serious surgery.

I have got to agree.. this guy comes from a corrupt political system in Illinois.. he has friends who are admitted terrorists and a preacher who hates America. Some are so quick to blame the recession on Bush but fail to look into the root cause which began with Clinton and was brought to new levels these past two years with the Democrat held congress.

Alas.. he our president and he has my respect, and I hope that he will do what is best for our country.

Shadowman wrote:

Archanubis wrote:

Shadowman wrote:You know the Constitution was designed that way, right? It was written incomplete. That's why it's been amended (Amendment = a change) 27 times to date. Because there's so much that was left out, we had to change it that many times just to keep our country from tearing itself apart.

Yet, the fact that in 200+ years it's only been amended that many times, compared the the thousands of amendments in state constitutions (or those that have been completely rewritten), says something about it.

Even though the US Constitution hasn't been amended relatively as many times, when it is amended, it's usually very important, and a good idea that was either left out, or unthinkable when the Constitution was written. Particularly Amendments 13, 15, and 19.

Silverbolt wrote:And GW is constantly bashed so using his short comings isn't exactly a strong argument either.

Still I'd gladly take another 20 years of GW over 4 years of Obama.

Really? Because I'd prefer NOT having a recession.

to clarify my original statement,

Obama has repeatedly stated that the Constitution is flawed in the sense that it hinders and limits the power of the Gov't... "It says what the Gov't can't do"

The Founding Fathers and the framers of the Constitution wrote it that way specifically to hamper 'big government" from forming after seeing how a gov't running everything (IE England) was more harmful than good.

What Pres. Obama has stated is essentially the The Founding Fathers were wrong in their reasoning.

Cyber Bishop wrote:Thanks Sharpwing, I was just about to post that.

*phones McCarthy*

LOL.

NOW let's get back on topic, I do sincerely hope that the change is good and we can get back to life without worrying about recessions and such.

No kidding-it's bad for my Hasbro stock and my wallet!