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So were getting a TF3 deluxe prime toy with trailer but no DA-15 Jetwing prime from hasbro?

The most poseable & DOTM movie accurate optimus+jetfire combination & it's not available by hasbro in America.

Instead we get from Hasbro the brick-former DOTM Ultimate optimus toy. with a robot+ trailer exo-suit suit of armor combined mode mode that wasn't even featured in the dotm movie. now a deluxe+trailer that look less movie accurate.

lately it just seems like who ever at hasbro,who's making these decisions doesn't have a clue.

2012 will see the 3rd party toy companies get most of my money,because they have a clue. i'll be buying next to none liscensed TF toys in 2012.

Well. Okay.

Tidalwavex wrote:i'll be buying next to none liscensed TF toys in 2012.

Well that's your loss. Hasbro has some great stuff coming up in the Transformers Prime line and you probably haven't begun to even hear what all is going to be released into 2012.

You are always welcome to buy Jetwing Prime from Takara and don't say it's too expensive because if you can pony up the cash for 3rd party items, then this should be no trouble.

Might just be time to "Occupy Hasbro"

Yup. Another debacle brought about by the marketing geniuses at Hasbro. Not even as a TRU or Y'All-Mart exclusive. Not in a box, not with a fox.

Problem is, in a very short period of time, the price of DA-28 has climbed to the point where it is way out of range. Over $200 is insane. The $120 I paid for Buster Prime was aggravating, but at least doable. The whole demand-generated price hike for Jetwing has happened BECAUSE the US was denied this toy, and collectors rushed to fill the obnoxious gap that Hasbro left in the American release of the DOTM line.

They really seem to have someone over there at Hasbro who has no idea what they are doing.

The cost to bring leader class with eletronics is kinda high.

Tidalwavex wrote:So were getting a TF3 deluxe prime toy with trailer but no DA-28 Jetwing prime from hasbro?

The most poseable & DOTM movie accurate optimus+jetfire combination & it's not available by hasbro in America.

Uhm, no Jetfire was not in DOTM. Sorry. Prime combines with his trailer in Dark of the Moon.
DA-28 does not have Jetfire, it has Prime's trailer in Wing Mode from the movie.

If you are going to complain at least get it right.

Also there's nothing that says Hasbro is not going to release that mold in the West ever.

They may decide they want to release it in the Trilogy line next year.

Overcracker wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:So were getting a TF3 deluxe prime toy with trailer but no DA-28 Jetwing prime from hasbro?

The most poseable & DOTM movie accurate optimus+jetfire combination & it's not available by hasbro in America.

Uhm, no Jetfire was not in DOTM. Sorry. Prime combines with his trailer in Dark of the Moon.
DA-28 does not have Jetfire, it has Prime's trailer in Wing Mode from the movie.

If you are going to complain at least get it right.

Also there's nothing that says Hasbro is not going to release that mold in the West ever.

They may decide they want to release it in the Trilogy line next year.

If anything ask our fans down under for one: he was imported there a week before his Japanese debut. I don't see Hasbro US releasing him tho, he's simply too big and therefore more of a hazard to the kids.

And if you're telling someone to get his facts straight, start with yourself: DA-28 is Striker Optimus, not Jetwing which is DA-15. Yes, I can be anal about that

And FYI I so see Striker having a better chance than Jetwing.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:So were getting a TF3 deluxe prime toy with trailer but no DA-28 Jetwing prime from hasbro?

The most poseable & DOTM movie accurate optimus+jetfire combination & it's not available by hasbro in America.

Uhm, no Jetfire was not in DOTM. Sorry. Prime combines with his trailer in Dark of the Moon.
DA-28 does not have Jetfire, it has Prime's trailer in Wing Mode from the movie.

If you are going to complain at least get it right.

Also there's nothing that says Hasbro is not going to release that mold in the West ever.

They may decide they want to release it in the Trilogy line next year.

If anything ask our fans down under for one: he was imported there a week before his Japanese debut. I don't see Hasbro US releasing him tho, he's simply too big and therefore more of a hazard to the kids.

And if you're telling someone to get his facts straight, start with yourself: DA-28 is Striker Optimus, not Jetwing which is DA-15. Yes, I can be anal about that

And FYI I so see Striker having a better chance than Jetwing.

My mistake. However the OP did say DA-28 not DA-15. Should have checked that to be precise.

In any case, Neither DA-15 nor DA-28 have Jetfire.

And Neither is a certainty that it won't be released in the West.

You say he's too big to be released here? Well that didn't stop them from releasing the monstrosity that is Ultimate Prime.

I'm pretty sure Ultimate is larger than either DA-15 or DA-28 and hence more expensive.

And yes I do see DA-28 Striker having a better chance at release though.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:So were getting a TF3 deluxe prime toy with trailer but no DA-28 Jetwing prime from hasbro?

The most poseable & DOTM movie accurate optimus+jetfire combination & it's not available by hasbro in America.

Uhm, no Jetfire was not in DOTM. Sorry. Prime combines with his trailer in Dark of the Moon.
DA-28 does not have Jetfire, it has Prime's trailer in Wing Mode from the movie.

If you are going to complain at least get it right.

Also there's nothing that says Hasbro is not going to release that mold in the West ever.

They may decide they want to release it in the Trilogy line next year.

If anything ask our fans down under for one: he was imported there a week before his Japanese debut. I don't see Hasbro US releasing him tho, he's simply too big and therefore more of a hazard to the kids.

And if you're telling someone to get his facts straight, start with yourself: DA-28 is Striker Optimus, not Jetwing which is DA-15. Yes, I can be anal about that

And FYI I so see Striker having a better chance than Jetwing.

Let's not let any of that stop us from getting angry and irrational. I say we start protests and riots in all major cities' sea and airports. We set up tent cities and demand(!) these toys that are sold overseas and not made available in U.S. retail space despite the fact that a select few people(mostly forum viewers) here actually know of it's existence.

Let The Man(Hasbro) know that we are here and we won't be let these atrocities against fellow humans go on. Making us pay these outrageous prices from online retailers who take the time to secure shipment safely and then want to charge a price that would compensate them for their time, storage and all other overhead costs and maybe make a profit for all of that is just plain and simple: unfair!!! Let's cast aside the fact that Transformers is a hobby and collectable that buying imports actually adds something special to a collectors collection.

So I say, light those torches, grab your pitchforks and pickaxe, let's storm those gold lined gates of Hasbro and say NO! to oppression and the brainwashing. This is America dammit not some third world country that makes these toys. Let's put even more 9 year old Chinese to work double time 16 hours a day to assemble enough Jetwings for the whole worlds retailers (only to have the majority of them go on clearance due to originally being overpriced to compensate for the original overpricing because retailers know they will have to clearance many of them).
Now let's get out there and let them have it.<--insert maddening cries of battle-->

Overcracker wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:So were getting a TF3 deluxe prime toy with trailer but no DA-28 Jetwing prime from hasbro?

The most poseable & DOTM movie accurate optimus+jetfire combination & it's not available by hasbro in America.

Uhm, no Jetfire was not in DOTM. Sorry. Prime combines with his trailer in Dark of the Moon.
DA-28 does not have Jetfire, it has Prime's trailer in Wing Mode from the movie.

If you are going to complain at least get it right.

Also there's nothing that says Hasbro is not going to release that mold in the West ever.

They may decide they want to release it in the Trilogy line next year.

Have you even seen the DOTM movie?

In the Dotm movie,Optimus Prime kept combining with the jetfire parts in various scenes. So the DA-15 toy was clearly in the DOTM movie.

Their was no trailer that formed a robotic suit of armor for the optimus robot mode to combine with in the DOTM Movie.

In the DOTM Movie,Optimus used the trailer only in alt mode to carry around the jetfire parts inside the trailer.

Thus far their is no DOTM Trailer toy that transforms into a ring & loads the jetfire parts on to optimus prime. their are rumors & some early pics that a 3rd party company is trying to create this.

I'll conceed,I was wrong,I got DA-28 confused with DA-15.

Hasbro clearly said at the NYCC convention they have no plans to releases DA-15 nor DA-28 in america.

My guess is the deluxe optimus prime DOTM toy that comes with the trailer will retail for around $30.00 & it'll be a walmart store exclusive. walmart seems to have exclusive rights to this deluxe dotm optimus mold in america. Walmart is probably the only one who'll want this deluxe+trailer thing. it'll be a tough sell due to other retail stores not wanting a useless trailer that just splits open.

Tidalwavex wrote:Have you even seen the DOTM movie?

In the Dotm movie,Optimus Prime kept combining with the jetfire parts in various scenes. So the DA-15 toy was clearly in the DOTM movie.

Their was no trailer that formed a robotic suit of armor for the optimus robot mode to combine with in the DOTM Movie.

In the DOTM Movie,Optimus used the trailer only in alt mode to carry around the jetfire parts inside the trailer.

I did see the movie by the way.

When did you see Jetfire in there?

The only time we see Prime with the jetpack is in the final battle scene in Chicago, he comes flying in and gets tangled in some wires. He doesn't keep combining, he does it exactly once, and its not Jetfire, its his trailer.

Why do you think Hasbro made the Ultimate Prime? Do you think they like to make Ultimate Priced toys just because they feel like it? No its because Prime combined with his trailer in the movie. That's the entire point of that toy.

That doesn't preclude the possibility of him having the trailer be his weapons pack as well, or even having more than one trailer for that matter.

Prime even mentions in the movie when Shockwave steals his trailer:

"They got my trailer. I need that flight tech!"

He doesn't say they've got Jetfire, he says Flight tech his trailer is the jetpack.

Overcracker wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Have you even seen the DOTM movie?

In the Dotm movie,Optimus Prime kept combining with the jetfire parts in various scenes. So the DA-15 toy was clearly in the DOTM movie.

Their was no trailer that formed a robotic suit of armor for the optimus robot mode to combine with in the DOTM Movie.

In the DOTM Movie,Optimus used the trailer only in alt mode to carry around the jetfire parts inside the trailer.

I did see the movie by the way.

When did you see Jetfire in there?

The only time we see Prime with the jetpack is in the final battle scene in Chicago, he comes flying in and gets tangled in some wires. He doesn't keep combining, he does it exactly once, and its not Jetfire, its his trailer.

Why do you think Hasbro made the Ultimate Prime? Do you think they like to make Ultimate Priced toys just because they feel like it? No its because Prime combined with his trailer in the movie. That's the entire point of that toy.

That doesn't preclude the possibility of him having the trailer be his weapons pack as well, or even having more than one trailer for that matter.

Prime even mentions in the movie when Shockwave steals his trailer:

"They got my trailer. I need that flight tech!"

He doesn't say they've got Jetfire, he says Flight tech his trailer is the jetpack.

NO,in the dotm movie optimus prime did use the jetfire parts more than once.

The stuff inside the trailer in the dotm movie. was clearly the jetfire flight parts.

Tidalwavex wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Have you even seen the DOTM movie?

In the Dotm movie,Optimus Prime kept combining with the jetfire parts in various scenes. So the DA-15 toy was clearly in the DOTM movie.

Their was no trailer that formed a robotic suit of armor for the optimus robot mode to combine with in the DOTM Movie.

In the DOTM Movie,Optimus used the trailer only in alt mode to carry around the jetfire parts inside the trailer.

I did see the movie by the way.

When did you see Jetfire in there?

The only time we see Prime with the jetpack is in the final battle scene in Chicago, he comes flying in and gets tangled in some wires. He doesn't keep combining, he does it exactly once, and its not Jetfire, its his trailer.

Why do you think Hasbro made the Ultimate Prime? Do you think they like to make Ultimate Priced toys just because they feel like it? No its because Prime combined with his trailer in the movie. That's the entire point of that toy.

That doesn't preclude the possibility of him having the trailer be his weapons pack as well, or even having more than one trailer for that matter.

Prime even mentions in the movie when Shockwave steals his trailer:

"They got my trailer. I need that flight tech!"

He doesn't say they've got Jetfire, he says Flight tech his trailer is the jetpack.

NO,in the dotm movie optimus prime did use the jetfire parts more than once.

The stuff inside the trailer in the dotm movie. was clearly the jetfire flight parts.

I watched it last night and there is a scene where Prime and the Autobots enter the city. Prime loses his trailer and mentions that (indeed) the 'cons have his trailer and he needs it to fly. With the exact, abovementioned, quote.

As for Jetfire, he dies in ROTF and Prime uses his parts for a very different combination. The thrusters do look similar, but the overall configuration is different. Aside from that, Jetfire's parts clearly fall off in ROTF. Prime leaves a trail of it between the soldiers and the pyramids. It stands to reason that developing new flighttech is a more usefull approach then piecing together an already very damaged Jetfire.

Plus; it's a corpse, dammit.

The whole purpose of the trailer being in the DOTM movie. was to transport the jetfire parts into battle for optimus prime.

optimus prime & his autobots engineers clearly re-designed the jetfire parts during the down time when ROTF Ended & before DOTM started.

the DA-15 jetfire parts are clearly the ones optimus uses in the dotm movie during his robot combiner flight scenes.

I think of the fact you can buy Jetwing Optimus from anywhere in Australia for far cheaper than it's price online and I feel happy. I then remember everythign else Tramsformer related is double the price here and I feel angry.

Tidalwavex wrote:The whole purpose of the trailer being in the DOTM movie. was to transport the jetfire parts into battle for optimus prime.

optimus prime & his autobots engineers clearly re-designed the jetfire parts during the down time when ROTF Ended & before DOTM started.

the DA-15 jetfire parts are clearly the ones optimus uses in the dotm movie during his robot combiner flight scenes.

ROTF



DOTM

Spot the diferences, win a prize.

the fligh pack stuff stuff inside the trailer in the DOTM Movie is the jetfire parts. the jetfire parts got re-designed & looks slightly different in the dotm movie.

The sheer fact the DA-15 looks like jetfire parts should indicate they are the jetfire parts.

the DOTM UlTIMATE toy has nothing that remotely looks like the DOTM flight pack seen in the DOTM movie.

AGAIN,The only purpose for the trailer being in the DOTM movie was to transport the jetfire parts into battle.

It's flight tech. It's not Jetfire. The flight tech may have been fashioned from Jetfire's body, but there's no factual basis behind it other than your own opinion.

Tidalwavex wrote:the fligh pack stuff stuff inside the trailer in the DOTM Movie is the jetfire parts. the jetfire parts got re-designed & looks slightly different in the dotm movie.

The sheer fact the DA-15 looks like jetfire parts should indicate they are the jetfire parts.

the DOTM UlTIMATE toy has nothing that remotely looks like the DOTM flight pack seen in the DOTM movie.

AGAIN,The only purpose for the trailer being in the DOTM movie was to transport the jetfire parts into battle.

The Jetwing accessory looks nothing like Jetfire, where are you getting your facts about Prime's flight tech being Jetfire remnants? His Trailer also housed a weapons ring loaded with weaponry. I like to think Que\Wheeljack devised the trailer\battle platform\fight tech for Prime. Without facts you are just arguing your interpretation of the trailer and where it came from.

DISCHARGE wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:the fligh pack stuff stuff inside the trailer in the DOTM Movie is the jetfire parts. the jetfire parts got re-designed & looks slightly different in the dotm movie.

The sheer fact the DA-15 looks like jetfire parts should indicate they are the jetfire parts.

the DOTM UlTIMATE toy has nothing that remotely looks like the DOTM flight pack seen in the DOTM movie.

AGAIN,The only purpose for the trailer being in the DOTM movie was to transport the jetfire parts into battle.

The Jetwing accessory looks nothing like Jetfire, where are you getting your facts about Prime's flight tech being Jetfire remnants? His Trailer also housed a weapons ring loaded with weaponry. I like to think Que\Wheeljack devised the trailer\battle platform\fight tech for Prime. Without facts you are just arguing your interpretation of the trailer and where it came from.

Sometimes you just need put all the pieces to the puzzle together.

Blurrz wrote:It's flight tech. It's not Jetfire. The flight tech may have been fashioned from Jetfire's body, but there's no factual basis behind it other than your own opinion.

I like to think the wreckers or wheeljack/Q re-designed the jetfire's parts to look the way they did in the DOTM movie.

the sheer fact the DA-15 toy exist. is all the evidence I need that it's jetfire parts that formed the flight pack for DOTM Optimus in the movie.

Tidalwavex wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:the fligh pack stuff stuff inside the trailer in the DOTM Movie is the jetfire parts. the jetfire parts got re-designed & looks slightly different in the dotm movie.

The sheer fact the DA-15 looks like jetfire parts should indicate they are the jetfire parts.

the DOTM UlTIMATE toy has nothing that remotely looks like the DOTM flight pack seen in the DOTM movie.

AGAIN,The only purpose for the trailer being in the DOTM movie was to transport the jetfire parts into battle.

The Jetwing accessory looks nothing like Jetfire, where are you getting your facts about Prime's flight tech being Jetfire remnants? His Trailer also housed a weapons ring loaded with weaponry. I like to think Que\Wheeljack devised the trailer\battle platform\fight tech for Prime. Without facts you are just arguing your interpretation of the trailer and where it came from.

Sometimes you just need put all the pieces to the puzzle together.

Blurrz wrote:It's flight tech. It's not Jetfire. The flight tech may have been fashioned from Jetfire's body, but there's no factual basis behind it other than your own opinion.

I like to think the wreckers or wheeljack/Q re-designed the jetfire's parts to look the way they did in the DOTM movie.

the sheer fact the DA-15 toy exist. is all the evidence I need that it's jetfire parts that formed the flight pack for DOTM Optimus in the movie.

It's your opinion, indeed. There isn't even a suggestion in either movie that the jetpack is made from or inspired by Jetfire. The biggest design similarity is the thruster. Which also looks similar to those of Starscream and Megatron.

Im sure they do it on purpose, just so Japan can have their "exclusives"...

Something odd though, i was at a collector shop today, and the shipping boxes for the DMK Bumble bee were from HASBRO (it had the label and their pink stripe) ... and labeled DMK-02 Bumblebee model kit. Yeap, not the takaratomy shipping boxes, but hasbro ones.

gavinfuzzy wrote:Im sure they do it on purpose, just so Japan can have their "exclusives"...

Something odd though, i was at a collector shop today, and the shipping boxes for the DMK Bumble bee were from HASBRO (it had the label and their pink stripe) ... and labeled DMK-02 Bumblebee model kit. Yeap, not the takaratomy shipping boxes, but hasbro ones.

Maybe they were fake? You'll never know..

Wait, we're getting the Japanese deluxe Prime with trailer? The one with the mechtech energon sword? When is that coming out?