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Sabrblade wrote:A hard R gorefest isn't what this franchise needs (we get enough graphic violence from the movies as is), nor is it truly "mature". It's just sick.Dr Lockdown wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Twas still billed as a show for adults, with its staff even absurdly claiming it to be "the Game of Thrones of animation".Dr Lockdown wrote:Sabrblade wrote:We just got a Transformers series for adults.Dr Lockdown wrote:PrymeStriker wrote:Dr Lockdown wrote:"Stop motion photography used"
Not only that, YOU USED GUNDAM MARKER!
Horridly applied marker at that.
Also, I recognize that Transformers: Prime score anywhere, 0:27.
Ah...I miss TFP. I wish Netflix would make a Transformers series for adults.
Or Studio Trigger.
And it sucked.
I don't see any mature themes being tackled. Any kid can watch that.
So no, we haven't yet.![]()
If it's mature themes you want, Beast Machines was all in to that stuff, tackling such topics as "harmony vs. extremism", "the needs of one vs. the needs of many", "conflict and inequality in a free society", "free will vs. totalitarianism", "religious faith in a higher power", and more.
I was thinking more on the side of what Logan was, as a story that could not be told to kids in any way.
Black Hat wrote:Myself I'd like to see a more "mature" Transformers anime OVA styled after stuff like Bubblegum Crisis. So still funny, fun and fluffy but with some violence and more adult themes mixed in. Also with actual 2D animation (preferably with ALL THE SHADING) instead of the rubbish CGI we got with Combiner Wars. Granted I'm biased because late 80s/early 90s anime OVAs are my jam.
Topic: Is Scorponok worth picking up? He's started showing up in my local toy store and he looks pretty cool.
william-james88 wrote:Black Hat wrote:Myself I'd like to see a more "mature" Transformers anime OVA styled after stuff like Bubblegum Crisis. So still funny, fun and fluffy but with some violence and more adult themes mixed in. Also with actual 2D animation (preferably with ALL THE SHADING) instead of the rubbish CGI we got with Combiner Wars. Granted I'm biased because late 80s/early 90s anime OVAs are my jam.
Topic: Is Scorponok worth picking up? He's started showing up in my local toy store and he looks pretty cool.
Yeah, he is great, like other 2016 RID cons.
And I personally think we are going about this the wrong way in the words we use to express what we want in a cartoon. Adult, not for kids, mature... so 18+ ? Gore and cybertities? I know thats not what you guys mean, but these words used are all wrong. We want one thing: for it to be smart and involved. And That doesnt mean its just for adults. Look at the Batman Animated Series and the other Bruce Timm stuff. It was for kids but written with brains and care for the audience while not being fanfic at all. it showed the essence of all these amaxing characters and told the story the creators wanted to tell with them rather than think of what we wanted. It doesnt have to be mature to be smart. We mention MTMTE as if its just for us "adults" but young teens can read it too (kids can as well, I dont see why they shouldnt or cant) and I truly hope they do because its a great series. In the end, the best Transformers fiction has had no age restrictions so I find this whole adult talk quite silly.
A film's rating isn't determined by what themes it covers, it's determined by how much drugs, language, sex, and violence it has.Dr Lockdown wrote:I wasn't referring to the violence. Good action can occur with or without blood.
I'm referring to the themes that only an R film can tackle.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
And I personally think we are going about this the wrong way in the words we use to express what we want in a cartoon. Adult, not for kids, mature... so 18+ ? Gore and cybertities? I know thats not what you guys mean, but these words used are all wrong. We want one thing: for it to be smart and involved. And That doesnt mean its just for adults. Look at the Batman Animated Series and the other Bruce Timm stuff. It was for kids but written with brains and care for the audience while not being fanfic at all. it showed the essence of all these amaxing characters and told the story the creators wanted to tell with them rather than think of what we wanted. It doesnt have to be mature to be smart. We mention MTMTE as if its just for us "adults" but young teens can read it too (kids can as well, I dont see why they shouldnt or cant) and I truly hope they do because its a great series. In the end, the best Transformers fiction has had no age restrictions so I find this whole adult talk quite silly.
Black Hat wrote:Secondly, almost all Transformers animation thus far has been "family friendly" which whilst not a bad thing in and of itself, does leave a gap in the market. I'd be interested to see how it actually turned out in any event.
Sabrblade wrote:A film's rating isn't determined by what themes it covers, it's determined by how much drugs, language, sex, and violence it has.Dr Lockdown wrote:I wasn't referring to the violence. Good action can occur with or without blood.
I'm referring to the themes that only an R film can tackle.
You could make the most philosophically deep movie ever made and still only have it rated PG if it's not dirty enough. The rating system gauges a film's filthiness or indecency, not its depth.
You mentioned IDW, Kurona mentioned Rescue Bots, and I mentioned Beast Machines. I'll also toss one more series into that ring, Beast Wars: Uprising, as these four are probably the most prolific TF fiction of recent years (well, of all years, in BM's case) that we've ever had. And yet, none of them (well, maybe IDW to a degree) do or would warrant an R rating since, despite how deep each of them are, they don't contain enough drugs, language, sex, or violence to be granted an R rating.
Only if said themes are filthy or indecent enough to warrant certain ratings.Dr Lockdown wrote:However some themes can only be covered by certain ratings.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Only if said themes are filthy or indecent enough to warrant certain ratings.Dr Lockdown wrote:However some themes can only be covered by certain ratings.
It's the higher-minded ideas behind the themes that make them mature. Take away any graphic content that would necessitate an R rating and the rating get lowered but the ideas remain intact, and it's those ideas that matter more than anything.
You're in a new thread. In a different forum.Dr Lockdown wrote:What happened to the convo title though?
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Cobotron wrote:You're in a new thread. In a different forum.Dr Lockdown wrote:What happened to the convo title though?![]()
You're welcome!
Cobotron wrote:You're in a new thread. In a different forum.Dr Lockdown wrote:What happened to the convo title though?![]()
You're welcome!
Burn teaching Cobotron how to split topics wrote:Cobotron - Do I need to change all those titles, or just let them be?
Burn - I personally would leave it be. Lot of work for something the majority of people won't notice.
DSLV content is what the rating system is based on. It gauges decency, not intelligence.Dr Lockdown wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Only if said themes are filthy or indecent enough to warrant certain ratings.Dr Lockdown wrote:However some themes can only be covered by certain ratings.
It's the higher-minded ideas behind the themes that make them mature. Take away any graphic content that would necessitate an R rating and the rating get lowered but the ideas remain intact, and it's those ideas that matter more than anything.
That's not what necessarily causes an R rating. It can, but isn't the absolute case.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Burn wrote:Cobotron wrote:You're in a new thread. In a different forum.Dr Lockdown wrote:What happened to the convo title though?![]()
You're welcome!Burn teaching Cobotron how to split topics wrote:Cobotron - Do I need to change all those titles, or just let them be?
Burn - I personally would leave it be. Lot of work for something the majority of people won't notice.
Dammit. *throws a fragment of Va'als soul @ Dr Lockdown*
Sabrblade wrote:DSLV content is what the rating system is based on. It gauges decency, not intelligence.Dr Lockdown wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Only if said themes are filthy or indecent enough to warrant certain ratings.Dr Lockdown wrote:However some themes can only be covered by certain ratings.
It's the higher-minded ideas behind the themes that make them mature. Take away any graphic content that would necessitate an R rating and the rating get lowered but the ideas remain intact, and it's those ideas that matter more than anything.
That's not what necessarily causes an R rating. It can, but isn't the absolute case.
After all, for every thought-provoking film out there (of any rating), there are also a ton of idiotic R-rated and X-rated films that are pure garbage instead of anything inspiring. Same goes for however many G and PG films there are that are either dumb as toast or highbrow beyond expectation.
No. Two other users requested it be turned into it's own topic. I agreed.Dr Lockdown wrote:Hm...so derailing equates to purging from this site...
You didn't.Dr Lockdown wrote:I don't intend to cause a fuss.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Cobotron wrote:No. Two other users requested it be turned into it's own topic. I agreed.Dr Lockdown wrote:Hm...so derailing equates to purging from this site...You didn't.Dr Lockdown wrote:I don't intend to cause a fuss.
Now back on topic!![]()
And as I said before, we've already had a TF cartoon that focused almost entirely around mature themes: Beast Machines.Dr Lockdown wrote:But as I said earlier, not sure if Transformers has the makings of an R rated film, but a more mature story is definitely something they should focus on at some point.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And as I said before, we've already had a TF cartoon that focused almost entirely around mature themes: Beast Machines.Dr Lockdown wrote:But as I said earlier, not sure if Transformers has the makings of an R rated film, but a more mature story is definitely something they should focus on at some point.
Just because it was safe enough for children to watch it doesn't mean the philosophical subjects it tackled weren't mature or highbrow. I know a lot of them certainly flew over my head as a kid, as I didn't fully grasp the significance of those topics until I was older.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Cobotron wrote:Did D.C. Fontana write on Beast Machines too, or just Beast Wars?
Can't remember off the top of my head without pulling up some episodes.
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