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IDW Transformers: Unicron Mini-Series Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:34 pm

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Sigma Magnus wrote:...honestly, I'm glad they're using Unicron to end the continuity. I feel like Unicron should be used only as a final boss sort of thing, otherwise it kinda cheapens him.
So you think he should have heralds who show up before he does, like in G1? Hopefully if he will have them they will be a little more complex and interesting than "Hook, Line and Sinker." :lol: In the IDW universe, who could be a herald for him, anyway? Maybe the Phase-6ers finally find a good role? I could see Sixshot and Overlord be heralds, with Sixshot being the loyal one and Overlord being the one who tried to doublecross Unicron and steal his power, like Dr. Doom did to Galactus in Secret Wars in order to fight the Beyonder.

...or are you guys too young to know what I'm referring to? :-?
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Sigma Magnus » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:40 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:...or are you guys too young to know what I'm referring to? :-?

Nah, I get what you mean. :lol:
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:44 pm

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Hah I know all about the original secret wars ;-) I think Unicron will have his heralds, but aside from galvy, I think we'll see thunderwing and monstructor back and maybe the big bad from -tion series, nemesis prime under uni's power
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Burn » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:06 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:
Sigma Magnus wrote:...honestly, I'm glad they're using Unicron to end the continuity. I feel like Unicron should be used only as a final boss sort of this, otherwise it sorta cheapens him.

As for the new universe, I hope some of the concepts from this one bleed into it (and the rest of the franchise overall), as well as some of the unique characterizations for lesser-used characters.

This is what I hope as well.

@Galactic Prime I don't know how many flat earthers you've had the pleasure of meeting but all the one's I've encountered are very much right wing. Also wanting a group of people dead you don't like is a bad way of approaching things. Despite their methods, the majority of "sjw" have their hearts in the right place. Their appearance is a push back against trolls, hatred breeds hatred as they say.


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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby budmaloney » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:33 pm

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I guess as a business decision it makes sense. 13 years is a long time for a business cycle. As fans we have kept up pace and invested in the story, so we can recall the events from Chaos, AHM, or even the 'ation era. So it's difficult for new readers to dig in. Glad they confirmed they're ending the story and starting a new continuity and perhaps it has nothing to do with Unicorn bridging the continuities. I'd be curious if their new continuity follows the events of the Bumblebee movie.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:13 pm

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Galactic Prime wrote:I wasn't referring to you, either directly or indirectly. I was making a comment on SJW's and Flat Earther's being one and the same. I don't know where you think you get your name being referenced seeing as how the last time I posted to you I told you I was done speaking with you.


You quoted Partholon's response to me, said you agreed, and wished that you could kill off all of the SJWs. It wasn't a difficult exchange to follow.

Though, nothing I said should have been difficult to follow either, yet I ended up investing multiple posts explaining my point to you, while you vacantly replied back with what was essentially the same condescending response over-and-over before saying that talking to me was like talking to a wall.

EDIT: Ohh, I get it, you're going by playground rules - social ostracism by virtue of role playing a scenario in which the person you dislike is regarded as 'dead', and then continuing to insult or otherwise demean him in front of him, then pretending your comments don't pertain to him. How... nostalgic... of you. Well, I better go get my cooties shot before the passive-aggressive hostility escalates to imaginary biological warfare.
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Now I have to go look up what happened to Thunderwing and Sixshot in IDW, they've been gone a long time and I can't remember. A couple more powerful and high-profile characters wasted, IMO. >:oP
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:40 am

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Thunderwing hasn't been used since furman was replaced, so it was at the end of one of the spotlight books that made up revelation, six shot was the same, though he turned up in spotlight metroplex which was set before the -tion series.

Now that I mention furman, I still wonder what get planned for expansion and any hooks he wanted to plant. Hmmm :-? Questions for another thread.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Burn » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:57 am

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budmaloney wrote:I guess as a business decision it makes sense. 13 years is a long time for a business cycle.

This got me thinking ... 13 years without a reboot in modern comics. That's an achievement.

But at the same time, it highlights one of the more annoying traits that I have with these books, expecting me to remember something that happened 5-10 years ago.

People are quick to put Marvel and DC down for their regular "reboots", but it's a great way to get new readers on-board and not make them have to go back and reference a book from 10 years ago.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Va'al » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:31 am

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Burn wrote:
budmaloney wrote:I guess as a business decision it makes sense. 13 years is a long time for a business cycle.

This got me thinking ... 13 years without a reboot in modern comics. That's an achievement.

But at the same time, it highlights one of the more annoying traits that I have with these books, expecting me to remember something that happened 5-10 years ago.

People are quick to put Marvel and DC down for their regular "reboots", but it's a great way to get new readers on-board and not make them have to go back and reference a book from 10 years ago.


I agree almost entirely with this. The ending is sad, a new beginning is An Actual Jumping On Point.

I'm also excited to see what new creative teams will be assembled! :D
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:27 am

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Would be cool to see if we can discover some new talent, so in a way I hope they bring back spotlights to give brand new writers a chance to shine. Actually how about this idea. An anthology of standalone tales, each one a new writer (maybe a couple of already established), doesn't have to be monthly, could be quarterly. It could help us find new writers or ones to avoid if, after a couple of attempts, they aren't doing what we hoped...i would submit something if they did that, most of my ideas don't fit into any continuity :lol:
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Burn » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:51 am

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While I've never really had a problem with the art style of the comics ... I feel it's time they brought in Rob Liefeld. 8-)

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Va'al » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:33 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Would be cool to see if we can discover some new talent, so in a way I hope they bring back spotlights to give brand new writers a chance to shine. Actually how about this idea. An anthology of standalone tales, each one a new writer (maybe a couple of already established), doesn't have to be monthly, could be quarterly. It could help us find new writers or ones to avoid if, after a couple of attempts, they aren't doing what we hoped...i would submit something if they did that, most of my ideas don't fit into any continuity :lol:


That also sounds very similar to the recently announced DC direction with Black Label, meaning it's currently on the market in comics in general, and I'm very much up for it!

I'd love to see new writers as well. All you need is a capable editor to keep all the stories work fluidly together (as a whole, not as a progression in a story necessarily), and I think it could very well work.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Dr. Caelus » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:58 am

Va'al wrote:I agree almost entirely with this. The ending is sad, a new beginning is An Actual Jumping On Point.


The more I think about it, the more I realize this probably is my jumping off point.

I finally got a date more or less set for my dissertation defense, and I will probably be formally finished with my PhD at the same time Unicron #6 hits the shelves. By that time we'll hopefully be moving into our first house, and preparing for our first child (fingers crossed). Basically, the 'life' I've known for the last 13 years is likely/hopefully going to come to an end over the next five months, and that those changes happen to coincide with the demise of a fictional world which has supported me emotionally and morally over the course of that time, seems appropriate somehow.

It may be unfair of me to assume that whatever IDW produces next will be less good than what we've had so far, but I do. Action alone doesn't satisfy me outside of a movie. The romance, politics, and wacky humor that so many people say they hate, and the moral and social issues that have gone with those aspects of the story, have been what's kept me reading this long. I wholly expect that the creative teams will cave to the demands of former readers who promise to come back if they would just make it 'less progressive', but even if they don't sell out, and they do try to stick to the more mature and challenging themes of the current comics, it will take a very long time to rebuild the world and redevelop the characters to the point that they can tackle anything as interesting as what we've seen over the past several years.

And I doubt very much that they would reach that point again, as I imagine that the remarkable longevity of this series won't be reproducible. From here on out, I would expect a reboot every 3 to 5 years, in order to better tie-in with Hasbro's other media and products, and to desperately try to fix whatever they think has most recently caused them to lose readers.

If I were to guess, the Transformers comics post Unicron will all take place on Cybertron beginning at the outbreak of the war, in order to tie-in with Hasbro's new direction in the toyline. Hasbro's other properties will be published sporadically, with ongoing series launching, dying, and relaunching. They'll all nominally take place in the same continuity, but they will take place millions of years after and light years away from the ongoing War for Cybertron comics.

When either the War for Cybertron toy series has burned itself out or Hasbro approaches the 40th anniversary of transformers (whichever comes first), there will be a soft reboot or revamp of the Transformers titles. The publisher will drop the ongoing story-lines, or rush to conclude them. They'll revert all characters' alignment, personality, and motivations to match up with the beginning of the G1 cartoon, and jump forward in time to bring the war to Earth with all of the pieces in the starting positions familiar to nostalgic 40-50 year old readers.

At that point they'll start having more crossovers with properties like G.I.Joe, but since people complain that the multiple titles are too hard to follow, they'll minimize the interactions between the properties, saving the crossovers for discrete, specially titled story-lines that will have amazingly minimal impact on the plot-lines of the ongoing series. The focus of Transformers will go back to Autobots and Decepticons being "Robots in Disguise" whose conflict on Earth plays out so secretly that even organizations like G.I.Joe and Cobra think they're nothing more than urban legends, which they occasionally make jokes about in their own titles.

And that will get slow, and tedious, and be less-and-less believable as the issues grind past, until they eventually do a major crossover built around a plot like All Hail Megatron. Unfortunately, because the intercontinuity of the story-lines will have been deliberately downplayed up to that point, people will complain that it felt rushed and contrived, so after a brief trailing off period where the authors struggle to handle the implications of that 'world changing' crossover, either IDW will lose the license, or they'll reboot the whole franchise again.

After that reboots will occur more and more frequently, or there may be no attempt to sustain a multi-title continuity at all, with comics simply being printed to mirror whatever cartoons and movies are on screens at the time.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Va'al » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:29 am

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^^^that is - as I see it - the other side of the coin I flipped, and I can't argue with too much of it other than to give a more optimistic outlook on what might after Unicron.

I've seen a lot of people hope - actively, not wisfhfully - for a current 'IDW standard' if you will, going forward from here. Concepts such as 'conjunx endura/amicae', forged and constructed cold, reader and character inclusivity, and all of the context that might come along with those (much like, for example, Beast Wars brought about with the idea of spark). If that were the case, I'd be happy to see something new be made with that type of toolbox but on a new 'property'.

Which is why I think new writers may be beneficial, as long as new actually means new - Simon Furman is not a new writer. None of the not-currently-writing are new writers. I'd like to see actual new talent, some grown up after Marvel/before Dreamwave, some grown up on the current material, to take those thoughts in a new direction.



And, to be honest, I think that it won't be the creative teams to 'cave in' to more reactionary demands, but the same editorial decisions that canned Sitterson, prevented Scott from continuing her idea, and are mishandling the whole Visionaries Beat Up Transformers firehazard.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby misfire19d » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:54 am

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If there ever was an artist worse than Romita Jr. leave it to Burn to suggest them. Ugh... Liefield. I would sooner drive off the edge of the earth than look at his art.

Business cycle stuff. IDW kept churning this stuff out as long as we kept buying it. It lasted 13 years because many of us just bought the comics out of habit. Eventually, like any habit, many fans were no longer getting what they wanted and stopped. That simple.

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Ironhidensh » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:48 am

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Growing up, my favorite comic was always the X-Men. My favorite X books were always the ones where the team was just relaxing at the mansion.

I think that's why I've loved MTMTE so much. More than any other Transformers tale, it went beyond the war. We've never really had that before.

While I understand that reboots are good for knew readers, I hate them. With a passion. I like having to remember something that happened 5 years ago. I like long term character development. I like stories that take several years to unfold.

The IDWverse has come to mean a lot to me. Hell, the IDWVERSE version of characters has replaced the original G1 versions for me. Flat out, with the possible exception of Beast Wars, we have never had such character development in the Franchise. Never. It's always been THE WAR and nothing else. I don't want to go back to that.

I may give it a chance once the first trade is out of whatever comes next, but starting from over simply has no appeal to me.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby Galactic Prime » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:38 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:The IDWverse has come to mean a lot to me. Hell, the IDWVERSE version of characters has replaced the original G1 versions for me. Flat out, with the possible exception of Beast Wars, we have never had such character development in the Franchise. Never. It's always been THE WAR and nothing else. I don't want to go back to that.


Did you even Watch Transformers Prime? There's more character development in that whole series than in 13 yeards of bad comics.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

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Ironhidensh wrote:The IDWverse has come to mean a lot to me. Hell, the IDWVERSE version of characters has replaced the original G1 versions for me. Flat out, with the possible exception of Beast Wars, we have never had such character development in the Franchise. Never. It's always been THE WAR and nothing else. I don't want to go back to that.


Did you even Watch Transformers Prime? There's more character development in that whole series than in 13 yeards of bad comics.

I am inclined to agree with Prime being a good example of character development (in some cases, it is not perfect and I am told I am in the minority in this viewpoint). But we cannot forget Animated either. Beast Wars, Animated, IDW, and to a lesser extent, Prime, have been great character based shows. There are reasons they are the things that have stuck around and will continue to stick around: they made us care for them, in ways we didn't know we could.

My favorite Transformers characters come from these series. And it's funny really that Animated was about a revolution more than a war and involved maintenance bots, Beast Wars was also outside a great war and was more a group fighting back in time, and half of IDW has been set after the war ended. 2 and a half out of 4 occurring outside a "Great War" is pretty dang good there.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:06 pm

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When talking about Heralds, I don't think this Unicron will need them. If they treat Unicron as some revived force of nature, heralds would be superfluous. There is no one within IDWverse in the same situation as Megs from the Movie. A Unicron oblivious to all other life would be a new take on him at least. Plucking Sixshot, Overlord etc just to be "The Galvatron" is a bit naff and unoriginal.

As for what would come next. Time has passed now. The next generation of writers won't be fans of G1, the Geewunners are old now. The new writers will take inspiration from Beast Wars and beyond, as that is what they grew up with.
Realistically the only part of G1 that has actually survived this long is the visual designs. The rest of it, in light of the shows etc that came after, is just dated. The reboot might feature a Hot Shot, Botanica or Lockdown. That's the part that is the most exciting about the future of Transformers. What comes next as G1 is phased out further and further.

Also being an X-Men fan and overall comic book reader since the 80's, those thinking after a full reboot ideas such as Conjunx Endura et al will live on into the new stuff, It's wishful thinking, at best. Generally Reboots in comics don't work like that. The board gets wiped clean.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ScottyP » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:22 pm

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Now I have to go look up what happened to Thunderwing and Sixshot in IDW, they've been gone a long time and I can't remember. A couple more powerful and high-profile characters wasted, IMO. >:oP

Sixshot got literally stomped on by Metroplex, but somehow lived long enough to pursue the Throttlebots who finished him off. Presumably they were only able to do so thanks to his earlier injuries, and he did take two of them down with him and cause the Throttlebots' ship to crash on a remote planet. Their battle is not actually seen, and the surviving three Throttlebots are currently with Prowl/Stardrive/et al so there could be more to it revealed.

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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:32 pm

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That's ridiculous! Sixshot is a Six Changer and the Throttlebots are... UGH

Injuries from Metroplex or not, unless it was clearly shown onpanel, it's BS and lazy writing, just to kill off yet another Decepticon.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:35 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:When talking about Heralds, I don't think this Unicron will need them. If they treat Unicron as some revived force of nature, heralds would be superfluous. There is no one within IDWverse in the same situation as Megs from the Movie. A Unicron oblivious to all other life would be a new take on him at least. Plucking Sixshot, Overlord etc just to be "The Galvatron" is a bit naff and unoriginal.

As for what would come next. Time has passed now. The next generation of writers won't be fans of G1, the Geewunners are old now. The new writers will take inspiration from Beast Wars and beyond, as that is what they grew up with.
Realistically the only part of G1 that has actually survived this long is the visual designs. The rest of it, in light of the shows etc that came after, is just dated. The reboot might feature a Hot Shot, Botanica or Lockdown. That's the part that is the most exciting about the future of Transformers. What comes next as G1 is phased out further and further.

Also being an X-Men fan and overall comic book reader since the 80's, those thinking after a full reboot ideas such as Conjunx Endura et al will live on into the new stuff, It's wishful thinking, at best. Generally Reboots in comics don't work like that. The board gets wiped clean.

Actually sometimes the board isn't wiped clean as much as you would think, like batman being on/off again lovers with catwoman for example or Clark and Lois Lane (which emerged from rebirth) reboots wipe continuity so events never happened but if the new writers liked something of what came before they'll bring it back, like why some elements and admiral thrawn came back to star wars after the expanded universe went bye bye
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:44 pm

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But did Thrawn follow his characterisation from the books, line for line? Did Batman and Catwoman use the same dialogue they had in the Golden age?

Better example, although only a couple years apart, did the Second Genesis of X-Men (Wolverine, Storm et al) behave and interact in even remotely the same way as the Original Five?

Only people like Grant Morrison delve deep enough into the lore to employ references from bygone eras and you really don't want him on Transformers....

All I'm saying is be realistic. More often than not, you can't have your cake and eat it too in comics. Basing a reboot on the framework of an existing series is not a reboot at all.
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:06 pm

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Eh? My point was if writers like the Conjunx, they'll bring it over. You maybe right about being realistic and all but we know is that it's in the hands of the new creative team, whoever they may be
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Re: IDW Transformers Comics - Road to Unicron

Postby starfishy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:39 pm

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This could be fun and cool. Though honestly Unicron has never really been particularly interesting for me, sometimes these big event pieces are kinda meh, but I get it it’s the end of this continuity, they want to finish with a bang.

I still have a lot of catching up to do anyways, having only recently discovered the MTMTE series, and it’s neat to know there’ll be a solid end to look forward to.

Also really glad that IDW will be keeping the Transformers lisence, and look forward to what stories they have next and what creative teams the bring in.

I’m sure those of you who have followed from the start are quite bummed though.
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