The Energon Pub

Agamemnon wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

njb902 wrote:Why are you so focused on price over value?

It's everyone else who seems to be focused on the price because they keep complaining.

Im more focused on the value of having some of these characters on my shelf. It's annoying to read 2 pages of whinning about the 30 dollar price. I don't work in a coffee shop. My argument is 30 bucks aint s**t and I'm willing to take a total shot in the dark. Why not ? I was impressed with the Alicons and the tetra jets.

They don't see the value in it.

From what you're saying you don't actually place a value on a figure, you buy it on aesthetics regardless of its price( though I'm sure there are exceptions for you).

It's also nice to see how you feel about those that do work at low wage jobs, real classy.

I did my time in those type of jobs during my 20s. I never said anything bad about it, I just dont do it anymore. But one thing I also find disturbing is that whenever we talk high quality KOs all of the el cheapos suddenly become big ballers and are against saving a few bucks. But then 30 bucks for an obscure mini bot is taboo...

Nice.... [/extremesarcasm]

Must have worked at the wrong coffe shops then. Because Starbucks & similar companies pay it's employees over $20 per hour.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Must have worked at the wrong coffe shops then. Because Starbucks & similar companies pay it's employees over $20 per hour.

I have a feeling that's a gross over-generalization.

That's why I love this place because we seamlessly veer from discussing toys to minimum wage. Regarding these figures, they look like ass. They cost the same as a Unique Toys Sharkticon which is way larger, more complex, better engineered, with far superior plastics (not that it's free of fault) and THAT indicates terrible value for money. The argument about affordability doesn't cut it. Just because you have the means to buy something doesn't mean you don't want value for money.

For a lesson on how to homage and enhance a vintage G1 collection, go see what FansProject are doing with their bonkers Glacialbots. They are way smarter than Impossible Toys, because they Produce products which appeal to the mass market and use their solid position to take a punt on niche projects. They seem to have the right balance and more importantly they haven't thrown the towel in. There's a reason why Impossible Toys are goners and that is because the majority of their later stuff is crap, not a fact I know but something approaching consensus amongst the fandom otherwise they would still be here.

megatronus wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Must have worked at the wrong coffe shops then. Because Starbucks & similar companies pay it's employees over $20 per hour.

I have a feeling that's a gross over-generalization.

Where ? In Dubai ? Here in Miami they make about ten.

Banjo-Tron wrote:That's why I love this place because we seamlessly veer from discussing toys to minimum wage. Regarding these figures, they look like ass. They cost the same as a Unique Toys Sharkticon which is way larger, more complex, better engineered, with far superior plastics (not that it's free of fault) and THAT indicates terrible value for money. The argument about affordability doesn't cut it. Just because you have the means to buy something doesn't mean you don't want value for money.

For a lesson on how to homage and enhance a vintage G1 collection, go see what FansProject are doing with their bonkers Glacialbots. They are way smarter than Impossible Toys, because they Produce products which appeal to the mass market and use their solid position to take a punt on niche projects. They seem to have the right balance and more importantly they haven't thrown the towel in. There's a reason why Impossible Toys are goners and that is because the majority of their later stuff is crap, not a fact I know but something approaching consensus amongst the fandom otherwise they would still be here.

I feel you. But honestly i use impossible toys stuff with classics. Theyre articulated and very posable. I never agreed how posable figures fit in with bricks. Sure they might be a bit simple, buy IT nailed kranix and arbulis perfectly. And the alicons look like they will go great with the sharkies. Im a cartoon guy so Im quite happy with the simple easthetic as long as it isnt too boxy like that kronos skyfire. Im more attracted to these new mini bots for the obscure characters. That alone is worth the price to me.

Banjo-Tron wrote:That's why I love this place because we seamlessly veer from discussing toys to minimum wage. Regarding these figures, they look like ass. They cost the same as a Unique Toys Sharkticon which is way larger, more complex, better engineered, with far superior plastics (not that it's free of fault) and THAT indicates terrible value for money. The argument about affordability doesn't cut it. Just because you have the means to buy something doesn't mean you don't want value for money.

For a lesson on how to homage and enhance a vintage G1 collection, go see what FansProject are doing with their bonkers Glacialbots. They are way smarter than Impossible Toys, because they Produce products which appeal to the mass market and use their solid position to take a punt on niche projects. They seem to have the right balance and more importantly they haven't thrown the towel in. There's a reason why Impossible Toys are goners and that is because the majority of their later stuff is crap, not a fact I know but something approaching consensus amongst the fandom otherwise they would still be here.

I feel you. But honestly i use impossible toys stuff with classics. Theyre articulated and very posable. I never agreed how posable figures fit in with bricks. Sure they might be a bit simple, buy IT nailed kranix and arbulis perfectly. And the alicons look like they will go great with the sharkies. Im a cartoon guy so Im quite happy with the simple easthetic as long as it isnt too boxy like that kronos skyfire. Im more attracted to these new mini bots for the obscure characters. That alone is worth the price to me.

Banjo-Tron wrote:That's why I love this place because we seamlessly veer from discussing toys to minimum wage. Regarding these figures, they look like ass. They cost the same as a Unique Toys Sharkticon which is way larger, more complex, better engineered, with far superior plastics (not that it's free of fault) and THAT indicates terrible value for money. The argument about affordability doesn't cut it. Just because you have the means to buy something doesn't mean you don't want value for money.

For a lesson on how to homage and enhance a vintage G1 collection, go see what FansProject are doing with their bonkers Glacialbots. They are way smarter than Impossible Toys, because they Produce products which appeal to the mass market and use their solid position to take a punt on niche projects. They seem to have the right balance and more importantly they haven't thrown the towel in. There's a reason why Impossible Toys are goners and that is because the majority of their later stuff is crap, not a fact I know but something approaching consensus amongst the fandom otherwise they would still be here.

The FP Glacial bots are not selling well. not that many fans & import sites are buying these.

Most are hoping FP didn't make too many units of these Glacialbots. Because someting that sells this badly could easily make a 3rd party company go out of business like IT recently did. about the only thing Cushioning the blow & preventing FP from losing there company is the other A+ projects that are releasing in 2013-2014

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:That's why I love this place because we seamlessly veer from discussing toys to minimum wage. Regarding these figures, they look like ass. They cost the same as a Unique Toys Sharkticon which is way larger, more complex, better engineered, with far superior plastics (not that it's free of fault) and THAT indicates terrible value for money. The argument about affordability doesn't cut it. Just because you have the means to buy something doesn't mean you don't want value for money.

For a lesson on how to homage and enhance a vintage G1 collection, go see what FansProject are doing with their bonkers Glacialbots. They are way smarter than Impossible Toys, because they Produce products which appeal to the mass market and use their solid position to take a punt on niche projects. They seem to have the right balance and more importantly they haven't thrown the towel in. There's a reason why Impossible Toys are goners and that is because the majority of their later stuff is crap, not a fact I know but something approaching consensus amongst the fandom otherwise they would still be here.

The FP Glacial bots are not selling well. not that many fans & import sites are buying these.

Most are hoping FP didn't make too many units of these Glacialbots. Because someting that sells this badly could easily make a 3rd party company go out of business like IT recently did. about the only thing Cushioning the blow & preventing FP from losing there company is the other A+ projects that are releasing in 2013-2014

That's not true. Where are you getting this information? Reason "import sites" are not getting these is because they're exclusive to FP core

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:That's why I love this place because we seamlessly veer from discussing toys to minimum wage. Regarding these figures, they look like ass. They cost the same as a Unique Toys Sharkticon which is way larger, more complex, better engineered, with far superior plastics (not that it's free of fault) and THAT indicates terrible value for money. The argument about affordability doesn't cut it. Just because you have the means to buy something doesn't mean you don't want value for money.

For a lesson on how to homage and enhance a vintage G1 collection, go see what FansProject are doing with their bonkers Glacialbots. They are way smarter than Impossible Toys, because they Produce products which appeal to the mass market and use their solid position to take a punt on niche projects. They seem to have the right balance and more importantly they haven't thrown the towel in. There's a reason why Impossible Toys are goners and that is because the majority of their later stuff is crap, not a fact I know but something approaching consensus amongst the fandom otherwise they would still be here.

The FP Glacial bots are not selling well. not that many fans & import sites are buying these.

Most are hoping FP didn't make too many units of these Glacialbots. Because someting that sells this badly could easily make a 3rd party company go out of business like IT recently did. about the only thing Cushioning the blow & preventing FP from losing there company is the other A+ projects that are releasing in 2013-2014

What's your point? As I said, FansProject are smart in that they are not reliant on the success of their Glacialbots. It's like a blockbuster film studio taking a punt on an indie film. A calculated risk. Impossible Toys got left behind and were stubborn to change or diversify. That's why they're dead.

Banjo-Tron wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:That's why I love this place because we seamlessly veer from discussing toys to minimum wage. Regarding these figures, they look like ass. They cost the same as a Unique Toys Sharkticon which is way larger, more complex, better engineered, with far superior plastics (not that it's free of fault) and THAT indicates terrible value for money. The argument about affordability doesn't cut it. Just because you have the means to buy something doesn't mean you don't want value for money.

For a lesson on how to homage and enhance a vintage G1 collection, go see what FansProject are doing with their bonkers Glacialbots. They are way smarter than Impossible Toys, because they Produce products which appeal to the mass market and use their solid position to take a punt on niche projects. They seem to have the right balance and more importantly they haven't thrown the towel in. There's a reason why Impossible Toys are goners and that is because the majority of their later stuff is crap, not a fact I know but something approaching consensus amongst the fandom otherwise they would still be here.

The FP Glacial bots are not selling well. not that many fans & import sites are buying these.

Most are hoping FP didn't make too many units of these Glacialbots. Because someting that sells this badly could easily make a 3rd party company go out of business like IT recently did. about the only thing Cushioning the blow & preventing FP from losing there company is the other A+ projects that are releasing in 2013-2014

What's your point? As I said, FansProject are smart in that they are not reliant on the success of their Glacialbots. It's like a blockbuster film studio taking a punt on an indie film. A calculated risk. Impossible Toys got left behind and were stubborn to change or diversify. That's why they're dead.

Banjo, not only is there no point to his argument but it's completely false as the Glacialbots are completely sold out....
I've even heard somewhere that they might be doing a second run.

Not that I don't agree that these things have way too high a price for their minimal value, but honestly I'm thinking this debate is getting out of hand.

If X or whoever wants to throw their money away on garbage I say let 'em.

Hmmm... No..

Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

No Thanks.

Rated X wrote:Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

By people, you mean you, right?

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

By people, you mean you, right?

So youre saying if hasbro puts out the classics bumblebee mold in blue or green, your passing ?

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

By people, you mean you, right?

He's gotta. I think he's one of the few/only ones defending them now.

*Waves to Rated X* Enjoy your overpriced, underwhelming pieces of junk!

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

By people, you mean you, right?

He's gotta. I think he's one of the few/only ones defending them now.

*Waves to Rated X* Enjoy your overpriced, underwhelming pieces of junk!

Sounds like an opinion to me. If they fall apart in my hands, then maybe you might be on to something. But ive had alot of luck with IT figures. Theyre not perfect, but they have added plenty of obscure characters to my classics shelves. Thats a good thing. Its not like hasbros gonna do it on a regular basis.

Rated X wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Rated X wrote:Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

By people, you mean you, right?

So youre saying if hasbro puts out the classics bumblebee mold in blue or green, your passing ?

Umm, yea. I'd probably pass.

But then again, a beloved deluxe mold for $10-$15 is probably going to do more for the fandom than these silly, low-quality minibots for $30.

Rated X wrote:Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

Congratulations can you post some pics and let us know what you think of it. I'm sure you'll give everyone your unbiased opinion. And plus you're the only person on the internet (that I know of) that got these. so some in hand pictures would prove to everyone here that these things does exist... Cause I'm still going to think its a huge joke if there's no actual pictures of it.

Who am i kidding I'll still think these things are a joke. haha

mooncake623 wrote:

Rated X wrote:Well they finally dropped in my POL today. The 3 that I ordered came to a whopping $89.97. This broke my wallet so hard that I had to take out a reverse mortgage on my home. No more beer nights for me because Ill be working overtime for the next 3 weeks to recoup the small fortune I gave away to those evil IT guys. On the flip side, I finally have nice classics stand ins for glyph and tap out in case hasbro never fires up the bumblebee mold in colors people actually want. And wasper is a nice oddity worth having. Cheers

Congratulations can you post some pics and let us know what you think of it. I'm sure you'll give everyone your unbiased opinion. And plus you're the only person on the internet (that I know of) that got these. so some in hand pictures would prove to everyone here that these things does exist... Cause I'm still going to think its a huge joke if there's no actual pictures of it.

Who am i kidding I'll still think these things are a joke. haha

RATED X, Don't forget the OE!

As soon as the echo G2 bruticus set arrives, I will ship my loot and give a honest opinion of these. Ill include pics anf promise to include the OE. if the suck ill straight up say so. But if they are decent and fun, ill tell it like it is...

Rated X wrote:ill tell it like it is...

Your specialty!

Rated X wrote:As soon as the echo G2 bruticus set arrives, I will ship my loot and give a honest opinion of these. Ill include pics anf promise to include the OE. if the suck ill straight up say so. But if they are decent and fun, ill tell it like it is...

Much appreciated, but I'd like to hear more about these minichargers you just received. They are so far down my priority list, but maybe once they hit the eventual clearance prices I might want to pick some up. I want to know how they compare to actual G1 mini-bots or even the iGear releases a few years ago of Bee and Jumper. I see there's elbow and knee articulation, but I really don't like the visual of the ankle tilts. I feel the IT figures' legs are molded too far back and make them look like clown shoes.

Idea - X, you should have your own video channel or a short segment on an existing podcast. Call it "Shooting Straight Up w/X", but it's mandatory that you drink a 40oz while doing it. I think it's be comedy gold!