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Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:First: My condolences to the familys of the victims including the shooters family... who're probably more shocked and embarrassed than sad at this point.

Second: This is what you get when allow everyone the right to bare arms in the good old USA. Either stop selling these items which are only for one reason... or allow people who've got a few screws loose continue to use others as target practise.

You can't blame gun laws for every time something like this happens.

If you don't give people the tools to kill (especially since they're built for that purpose) then at least you can cut down the fatality rate. It's easier for police to stop a guy with a knife than with a gun.

Making it harder for people to get guns legally only makes it harder for people to get guns legally. It does nothing to stop people who would get them illegally from getting them illegally. Thus, in the end, all you're doing is making it harder for people to protect themselves from bad people.

And PLEASE understand this is NOT an argument FOR guns. I've never shot a gun. I hate them. I think they're horrible tools. But I'm not going to throw out logic because of it.

Ender

In Japan, you cannot buy guns. If there's ever an incident of a gun being fired it's either because the police had to shoot someone or it was Yakuza related.

Yes, but in a society that, unfortunately (and when I say that I mean it like... I don't believe the 2nd amendment gives us the right to have guns, as a for instance), has guns all over the place to begin with, you can now not take them away. to take them away from people only means that the people who would them legally can't get them. the people who would do bad things with them still can get them, because such a rule does not effect the way they get those weapons.

Ender

Yeah it's too bad that things are like that, and you're more than likely right that for the people who just "collect" them it wouldn't be fair. But still, don't guns just belong in a museum? We don't really need them.

oakleyswitch wrote:this is just a horrific event. i will pray for the family and friends of lost ones. what is it that makes people want to hurt others like this. this is very sad

As I said before... people are crazy.

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

kary wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:First: My condolences to the familys of the victims including the shooters family... who're probably more shocked and embarrassed than sad at this point.

Second: This is what you get when allow everyone the right to bare arms in the good old USA. Either stop selling these items which are only for one reason... or allow people who've got a few screws loose continue to use others as target practise.

You can't blame gun laws for every time something like this happens.

If you don't give people the tools to kill (especially since they're built for that purpose) then at least you can cut down the fatality rate. It's easier for police to stop a guy with a knife than with a gun.

Making it harder for people to get guns legally only makes it harder for people to get guns legally. It does nothing to stop people who would get them illegally from getting them illegally. Thus, in the end, all you're doing is making it harder for people to protect themselves from bad people.

And PLEASE understand this is NOT an argument FOR guns. I've never shot a gun. I hate them. I think they're horrible tools. But I'm not going to throw out logic because of it.

Ender

In Japan, you cannot buy guns. If there's ever an incident of a gun being fired it's either because the police had to shoot someone or it was Yakuza related.

Yes, but in a society that, unfortunately (and when I say that I mean it like... I don't believe the 2nd amendment gives us the right to have guns, as a for instance), has guns all over the place to begin with, you can now not take them away. to take them away from people only means that the people who would them legally can't get them. the people who would do bad things with them still can get them, because such a rule does not effect the way they get those weapons.

Ender

Yeah it's too bad that things are like that, and you're more than likely right that for the people who just "collect" them it wouldn't be fair. But still, don't guns just belong in a museum? We don't really need them.

I will be the first person to say that guns should have never existed in the first place, believe me. They are horrible tools. But they can't be wished away.

I do hope, someday, we get beyond the need for such barbaric weapons.

But that can't happen until people like this no longer exist.

Ender

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

And the propaganda news called CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech. ... index.html

Lemonymous wrote:
I will be the first person to say that guns should have never existed in the first place, believe me. They are horrible tools. But they can't be wished away.

I do hope, someday, we get beyond the need for such barbaric weapons.

But that can't happen until people like this no longer exist.

Ender

I completely agree.

My heart goes out ot all the families affected by this tragedy

Thanks Ryan for posting this on your site.

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

Lemonymous wrote:
I will be the first person to say that guns should have never existed in the first place, believe me. They are horrible tools. But they can't be wished away.

I do hope, someday, we get beyond the need for such barbaric weapons.

But that can't happen until people like this no longer exist.

Ender

I completely agree.

Halo wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

He's a victim of society's stupidity for making guns.

No hard feelings about questioning whether I was really from tech. Anyway, as I said I am from here and I live with my parents currently, so I am not on campus anymore. Details here say that it was one shooter who went into Norris hall and attacked a graduate engineering class. My building was about 200 feet away, and apparently by the time news got out (we got emails to stay indoors) it was all over. The "Fighting Gobbler" who posted earlier was in Randolph Hall, which is right beside Norris. Good to hear you got out too. Again very sad for all involved.

My deepest condolences to all those affected. This is an act that is incomprehensible to any sane human being. Unfortunately we seem to have many people on this planet that do not have consideration for life, and history is littered with them.

As a species we have evolved a very long way. Unfortunately at the same time we find better and more efficient ways to kill and subjugate each other. And now more than ever we can kill each other at alarming rates.

Unfortunately it seems that people are becoming less and less inclined to take responsibility for their actions, and so we get money grabbing lawyers accusing Grand Theft Auto for the despicable behavior of others. I hope that we as a society start realizing that it is time to put blame on where it belongs, on the your own actions.

Once again my thoughts go out to those affected.

Lemonymous wrote:I will be the first person to say that guns should have never existed in the first place, believe me. They are horrible tools. But they can't be wished away.

I do hope, someday, we get beyond the need for such barbaric weapons.

But that can't happen until people like this no longer exist.

Ender

If there weren't guns then people would be cutting each other up with swords. And you say that guns are barbaric weapons, so would you rather have laser beams or something?
The guns aren't barbaric or evil. The person using it to kill people is.

kary wrote:

Halo wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

He's a victim of society's stupidity for making guns.

If someone is irrational enough to kill, he'll kill. He doesn't need a gun. The fact that he's irrational enough to kill alone precludes the fact that he will find another way if a gun is not available.

That's why a weapon is a means and not a murderer.

Ender

kary wrote:

Halo wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

He's a victim of society's stupidity for making guns.

You disgust me...

Spoon wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:I will be the first person to say that guns should have never existed in the first place, believe me. They are horrible tools. But they can't be wished away.

I do hope, someday, we get beyond the need for such barbaric weapons.

But that can't happen until people like this no longer exist.

Ender

If there weren't guns then people would be cutting each other up with swords. And you say that guns are barbaric weapons, so would you rather have laser beams or something?
The guns aren't barbaric or evil. The person using it to kill people is.

I didn't mean to imply guns alone. Any weapon really is barbaric. Nonetheless, duly noted.

Ender

Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Halo wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

He's a victim of society's stupidity for making guns.

If someone is irrational enough to kill, he'll kill. He doesn't need a gun. The fact that he's irrational enough to kill alone precludes the fact that he will find another way if a gun is not available.

That's why a weapon is a means and not a murderer.

Ender

Guns take the humanity out of killing. What is easier to do? Kill someone from 30ft, never having to look at him, or run a sword through them, and have to look into their eyes? Sorry for being a tad gruesome.

Geekee1 wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Halo wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

He's a victim of society's stupidity for making guns.

If someone is irrational enough to kill, he'll kill. He doesn't need a gun. The fact that he's irrational enough to kill alone precludes the fact that he will find another way if a gun is not available.

That's why a weapon is a means and not a murderer.

Ender

Guns take the humanity out of killing. What is easier to do? Kill someone from 30ft, never having to look at him, or run a sword through them, and have to look into their eyes? Sorry for being a tad gruesome.

Agreed, but isn't murder inhumane by design?

Ender

Lemonymous wrote:

Geekee1 wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Halo wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

He's a victim of society's stupidity for making guns.

If someone is irrational enough to kill, he'll kill. He doesn't need a gun. The fact that he's irrational enough to kill alone precludes the fact that he will find another way if a gun is not available.

That's why a weapon is a means and not a murderer.

Ender

Guns take the humanity out of killing. What is easier to do? Kill someone from 30ft, never having to look at him, or run a sword through them, and have to look into their eyes? Sorry for being a tad gruesome.

Agreed, but isn't murder inhumane by design?

Ender

Yes, but that wasn't the point that I was trying to make.

Honestly, I couldn't tell you what a good solution to things like this maybe. It seems that for some reason, humans in some shape or form are predisposed to conquest and killing. Guns do have their place, hunting, armed forces. And those that want them bad enough will get them. A background check won't deter the ones that one them.

I love my freedom, but I also deplore seeing innocent people being hurt and killed.

i was so sad and pissed when i found out what happend. i was going to cry at first but now im holding my tears back because crying isn't going to help. my best wishes goes to all who were effected by this horrable event.

Geekee1 wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:

Geekee1 wrote:

Lemonymous wrote:

kary wrote:

Halo wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

He really shouldn't be put into the number of victims. It should be "32 and the gunman."

He's a victim of society's stupidity for making guns.

If someone is irrational enough to kill, he'll kill. He doesn't need a gun. The fact that he's irrational enough to kill alone precludes the fact that he will find another way if a gun is not available.

That's why a weapon is a means and not a murderer.

Ender

Guns take the humanity out of killing. What is easier to do? Kill someone from 30ft, never having to look at him, or run a sword through them, and have to look into their eyes? Sorry for being a tad gruesome.

Agreed, but isn't murder inhumane by design?

Ender

Yes, but that wasn't the point that I was trying to make.

Honestly, I couldn't tell you what a good solution to things like this maybe. It seems that for some reason, humans in some shape or form are predisposed to conquest and killing. Guns do have their place, hunting, armed forces. And those that want them bad enough will get them. A background check won't deter the ones that one them.

I love my freedom, but I also deplore seeing innocent people being hurt and killed.

That pretty much sums it up for me too.

Ender

I like threads where people get requoted, the vertigo is awesome.

1Big\"F\"ingRayOfSunshine wrote:I like threads where people get requoted, the vertigo is awesome.

I did that for you, 1Big"F"ingRayOfSunshine

Ender

Stay strong VT.

First... my prayers go to the vitcims and their families... and for the family of the gunman. They're just as upset and at a loss of understanding as everyone else.

Second...

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:

Unicron's_head wrote:

kary wrote:33 people now confirmed dead... still think guns are a good thing...? that's 33 less people who will have families. 33 students who's parents have no children to see on graduation date. 33 less people who might make that difference in society.

Only 32 students were killed

33 according to NHK.

The gunman is #33

It's "...people confirmed dead..." for a reason. The officials (police, FBI, etc.) have to confirm the ID's of those killed and notify next of kin before releasing that information to the media. This also applies to the gunman as well.

Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:Man, sucks to be them......er....condolences to the victims.

One thing that's really going to suck about this: the media is going to blow this waaay out of proportion like they did at the start of the last wave of school shootings, & the next thing you know, you're going to see a bunch of disgruntled kids watching the news & finding new ways to "deal" with their problems, & then we'll see copycats all over the place...just like last time.

....information can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands...

kary wrote:...

And the propaganda news called CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech. ... index.html

Damned if we do... damned if we don't.

As a member of the media, I've covered similar events like this numerous times in my city. It's not easy. It's not fun. But it is news that affects everyone in that community, including us. While everyone else is being told to stay away, we are told to go there, get in the middle of it, get everything you can and let everyone know about it. We're paid to cover every aspect of an event like this, or any other for that matter. Granted, the media does get a bit overkill on numerous stories (who really gives two $h!t$ about Anna Nicole's baby-daddy?!) but people want to know. Our society has a morbid sense of curiousity that makes them want to know more of what happened and, more disturbingly, why.

Again, damned if we do... damned if we don't.

I'm not trying to take away from the tragedy of what happened at VT, I'm just trying to justify the media's coverage of such events. If you get tired of watching it all, just change the channel.

Case in point...

kirbenvost wrote:Terrible thing to happen. I feel bad for everyone affected.

I don't post much here anymore, but I'd like to say thanks to the News Crew and Seibertron for keeping us up to date on important world news, as well as the regular TF stuff. It's good and important to take time and give attention to stories such as these.

Again, my condolences to the victims and their families.

B-)