The Energon Pub

[Ironhidensh]

Opinions are facts when it's garbage.

There fixed it for you, since you seem to be thick

Can you show us on this doll where the comic hurt you?

Seriously. YOu don't like the comic. You shared YOUR OPINION that it is garbage. That is fair, and welcome, but now, if you have nothing more to add, its time to move on.

See, some of us really like this comic. To us, it is NOT "garbage", it is a beloved storyline with characters we've come to care about, some surpisingly so. I don't mine when folks come in here and say they don't like it. Thats fair and welcome. What does piss me off, and tends to keep me from botherin to participate in discusion here, is somebody like you telling me that I'm wrong for liking it. You don't get to do that.

You can hate this book all you want, but don't crap on others who enjoy it.

[Rodimus Prime]

Opinions are facts when it's garbage.

There fixed it for you, since you seem to be thick

I was willing to let this go, hoping you would move on by yourself. But you just keep vomiting up the same old argument, and now it's getting into personal insults. That's unacceptable. I'm all for a heated debate, but this is not it. Bottom line is, some people like the comic, some don't. It's a matter of choice. Period. I don't like it either, but I don't insult other members over it. If you don't like other people because they like something you don't, just don't talk to them. Talk about something you do agree on. But whatever you do, the insults stop NOW. It's the only written warning you get. Move on. Everyone else, just go back to discussing LL, don't prolong this with any responses, please.

[Quint]

Seems to be getting a bit testy in here, guys. It's ok to have different opinions.

Try this one: Ultra Magnus as written is a *terrible* second in command.

Just been reading through some back issues and it's remarkable how solipsistic and ineffective he is.

- Publicly undermines his captain
- Cannot/will not absorb or deflect problems away from said-captain (see email bombardment)
- Becomes resentful and effusive when denied requisite levels of attention from Rodimus which in part leads to...
- Betrayed Rodimus and the crew at large to Tyrest (under whose service he was similarly ineffective)
- Ultimately found himself simpatico with a genocidal war criminal

All in all, he's a bit of a snide sh*t.

While I understand Rodimus' explanation for keeping him around - a combination of tempering influence and self-flagellation - most other fictional commanders would see the giant robotic weasel demoted at best or launched out of an air lock at worst

Nevertheless, he's a good character. I hope Roberts eventually has someone call him out on his bullsh*t before the close

[ZeroWolf]

I liked that um got on with megs, it shown to me that he believed in second chances and as such, was willing to believe that megs had changed. I'm ultimately grateful that megs was sinscere in his change though I think he knew that he wouldn't be able to redeem himself for the monster he had become, still he set out to try and make a better future, I mean he never went out of his way to get people to like him. That's why I want this version of megs to survive the reboot even along side a evil version of himself, there's a lot they could still do with him. Though if they want an evil megatron, I want them to use the beast wars megatron somehow as he would make the autobots lives miserable.

[Galactic Prime]

Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

[Burn]

Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Opinion =/= fact.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Sometimes it's better to ignore than acknowledge. Anyway...

I liked that um got on with megs, it shown to me that he believed in second chances and as such, was willing to believe that megs had changed. I'm ultimately grateful that megs was sinscere in his change though I think he knew that he wouldn't be able to redeem himself for the monster he had become, still he set out to try and make a better future, I mean he never went out of his way to get people to like him. That's why I want this version of megs to survive the reboot even along side a evil version of himself, there's a lot they could still do with him. Though if they want an evil megatron, I want them to use the beast wars megatron somehow as he would make the autobots lives miserable.

Auto-Megatron represents one of IDW's biggest polar shifts to the Lore. To that end it's extremely unlikely that change would make the transition to a rebooted universe.

As an aside I do hope Transformers isn't going to be another series Disney buy for Marvel. Already lost out on Conan this year...

[ZeroWolf]

Ah my plan allowed both to exist and I don't see why it was a problem, even if they say he's not an autobot just not a con anymore like what happened at the end of prime. Though as I said, he's in the functionist universe...so if he was to stick around his appearances would be very limited. Megs doesn't need to be the main badguy any way. It's a shame that they let Mccarthy waste gigatron as he could have been a good leader

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Typically rebooted universes wouldn't have any holdover. Megatron is traditionally the first leader of the Decepticons, in a reset Transformers universe, that would be the position he returns to. If Optimus Prime retains his role, it wouldn't make any sense for Megs not to follow suit.

From my reading, they let ______ [Decepticon] go to waste is a running theme in IDWverse. The IDW writers after Furman have been far too Autobot-centric, for me.

[ZeroWolf]

Buy they could have two megs as I said the good guy version pops in an issue or two here and there while the bad guy one is the same as we've had before... (whoop de do, can't wait to see how they do his tyrannical side again...we've already had it in spades )

Maybe they should try a different approach, even if its just a mini series. Do one or two main line books (one book with a back up strip might work best) and do g1 toon season 2.5 (or a proper season 4 for those that want to see post rebirth) as a mini-series (like 6 "episodes" or 4 episodes and a two parter in 6 issuses) that way the people who just want a continuation of g1 have what they want without it affecting the main line which will be affected by the hasbroverse.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Buy they could have two megs as I said the good guy version pops in an issue or two here and there while the bad guy one is the same as we've had before... (whoop de do, can't wait to see how they do his tyrannical side again...we've already had it in spades )

Obviously the same would have to be said of Optimus Prime in that respect. It's not like we haven't had decades of the same tired and boring God-Bot that has stretched from G1 to Present Day. A one note sanctimonious hypocrite.

[ZeroWolf]

No complaints about that here!

[AllNewSuperRobot]

No complaints about that here!

As I've mentioned before, Transformers is often better off without either of them. Every TF story I ever drew, wrote or acted out with the toys as a kid, they were both among the first casualties.

The Movie got it right to get rid of both at the same time and I've never thought any different.

[Galactic Prime]

Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Fact = fact when it's garbage.

Fixed it for you

[Rodimus Prime]

I always found both Shockwave and Scorponok to be more interesting than Megatron. As much as I like Dark Cybertron, I was sad to see Shockwave die, especially after the great backstory he was given in IDW. Hopefully with Scorponok's reappearance in LL, we'll get a decent bad guy again, because sadly Sixshot and Overlord have been criminally wasted by Roberts. I'm not really surprised, considering the writer, just getting jaded as a reader over the lack of overall character development.

And yes, I am also tired of Optimus Prime, it would be nice to see someone else be the overall leader for a change.

[Galactic Prime]

I always found both Shockwave and Scorponok to be more interesting than Megatron. As much as I like Dark Cybertron, I was sad to see Shockwave die, especially after the great backstory he was given in IDW. Hopefully with Scorponok's reappearance in LL, we'll get a decent bad guy again, because sadly Sixshot and Overlord have been criminally wasted by Roberts. I'm not really surprised, considering the writer, just getting jaded as a reader over the lack of overall character development.

And yes, I am also tired of Optimus Prime, it would be nice to see someone else be the overall leader for a change.

Scorponok is dead now too

[Rodimus Prime]

Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Fact = fact when it's garbage.

Fixed it for you

Really? Now you're going to pick a fight with an administrator? I can only give you a warning, but hopefully he bans you. You contribute nothing to the discussion and are just trolling.

[ZeroWolf]

Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Fact = fact when it's garbage.

Fixed it for you

Really? Now you're going to pick a fight with an administrator? I can only give you a warning, but hopefully he bans you. You contribute nothing to the discussion and are just trolling.

I thought you and burn had similar powers?

I agree with shockwave and scorp though when did Roberts write sixshot? I don't remember seeing him past devastation/revealation? As much so I want new characters to come through the ranks and lead I don't think I'll ever get that wish as some of the fanbase will be hostile from the get go and you can never guess how much that would impact sales. C'est la vie

[Burn]

I thought you and burn had similar powers?

For the most part yeah, but Administrators have a few extras. Only Admins can ban people, and quite frankly, our mate there is bordering on it.

Pull your **** head in Galactic Prime.

[Big Grim]

Yet another delightful individual added to the ignore list.

I thoroughly enjoyed Lost Light. This version of Megatron and Magnus have been a joy, as has Ratchet. Also Perceptor. Hell, most of the cast have been enjoyable one way or another. I admit, the Mutineers has been a little mishandled in my opinion. I honestly hope that if we are seeing a reboot, it is, at best, a soft one.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Soft Reboot brings to mind AHM. Personally I think that would be the worst case scenario. A full reboot is good. It represents change and that's always a positive, as opposed to the stagnation of the status quo.

[ZeroWolf]

We'll find out soon enough what the future holds, even if its a soft reboot on the terms of cybertron being gone and prime being dead. Though I would prefer something that meant the transformers crash landing into the hasbroverse...and not the other way around

[X3ROhour]

Not upset at all man. I'm just right.

Fact = fact when it's garbage.

Fixed it for you

Really? Now you're going to pick a fight with an administrator? I can only give you a warning, but hopefully he bans you. You contribute nothing to the discussion and are just trolling.

arguing is wrong now?

[Va'al]

And finally, in actually new comics actually out this week from IDW Publishing, the ongoing series of Transformers: Lost Light brings us back to the main cast in the story after the Scavengers two-parter, as we find out what Rodimus and the crew have been up to in issue #16!

Read the full preview below, and expect a Seibertron.com review to appear after the book's release this Wednesday - but you can join the conversation in the Energon Pub right now, and speculate away as to what is happening and what may actually be happening - other than sudden death of characters.

Transformers: Lost Light #16—Cover A: Jack Lawrence
James Roberts (w) • Jack Lawrence (a & c)
ALL GOOD THINGS…! Rodimus and the Crusadercons have reached their final destination. The trouble is, it’s not Cyberutopia. In fact, it’s not ANYWHERE. But they’d better get used to it, because they’re going to be there until the end of Time...
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Bullet Points:
B&W variant cover by Alex Milne!

[ZeroWolf]

The well of all sparks? I hope they bring ten back, and maybe improve his body for him. Now is the reason his spark was taken because he was happy? Let the speculation begin!

Also zerohour, he wasn't just arguing, especially if you look over the last few pages.