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I noticed that in the Bruticus toy gallery at this site, the G1, G2, Ruination, chinese KO's, and some others versions of Bruticus were shown.

Obviously, someone at seibertron has the chinese ones, so i thought to ask if they are good, as long as one only want's these toys, but doesn't mind not getting sought after collectors items.

Are the chinese Bruticus and Devastator Knock-offs exact copys of the origanals, (they appear to be.) except for the colors/paint, and stickers? and what are they like in terms of qualliy?

...And also, what about the chinese WST combiners? does anyone have those, and could tell me what those are like?

Any information about these would be helpful.

Plastikov wrote:I noticed that in the Bruticus toy gallery at this site, the G1, G2, Ruination, chinese KO's, and some others versions of Bruticus were shown.

Obviously, someone at seibertron has the chinese ones, so i thought to ask if they are good, as long as one only want's these toys, but doesn't mind not getting sought after collectors items.

Are the chinese Bruticus and Devastator Knock-offs exact copys of the origanals, (they appear to be.) except for the colors/paint, and stickers? and what are they like in terms of qualliy?

...And also, what about the chinese WST combiners? does anyone have those, and could tell me what those are like?

Any information about these would be helpful.

The BRuticus KO isn't too good.

Deadpool. wrote:

Plastikov wrote:I noticed that in the Bruticus toy gallery at this site, the G1, G2, Ruination, chinese KO's, and some others versions of Bruticus were shown.

Obviously, someone at seibertron has the chinese ones, so i thought to ask if they are good, as long as one only want's these toys, but doesn't mind not getting sought after collectors items.

Are the chinese Bruticus and Devastator Knock-offs exact copys of the origanals, (they appear to be.) except for the colors/paint, and stickers? and what are they like in terms of qualliy?

...And also, what about the chinese WST combiners? does anyone have those, and could tell me what those are like?

Any information about these would be helpful.

The BRuticus KO isn't too good.

well they are based on 20 year-old toys

Jazzz wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:

Plastikov wrote:I noticed that in the Bruticus toy gallery at this site, the G1, G2, Ruination, chinese KO's, and some others versions of Bruticus were shown.

Obviously, someone at seibertron has the chinese ones, so i thought to ask if they are good, as long as one only want's these toys, but doesn't mind not getting sought after collectors items.

Are the chinese Bruticus and Devastator Knock-offs exact copys of the origanals, (they appear to be.) except for the colors/paint, and stickers? and what are they like in terms of qualliy?

...And also, what about the chinese WST combiners? does anyone have those, and could tell me what those are like?

Any information about these would be helpful.

The BRuticus KO isn't too good.

well they are based on 20 year-old toys

Uh.

That too.

Deadpool. wrote:

Jazzz wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:

Plastikov wrote:I noticed that in the Bruticus toy gallery at this site, the G1, G2, Ruination, chinese KO's, and some others versions of Bruticus were shown.

Obviously, someone at seibertron has the chinese ones, so i thought to ask if they are good, as long as one only want's these toys, but doesn't mind not getting sought after collectors items.

Are the chinese Bruticus and Devastator Knock-offs exact copys of the origanals, (they appear to be.) except for the colors/paint, and stickers? and what are they like in terms of qualliy?

...And also, what about the chinese WST combiners? does anyone have those, and could tell me what those are like?

Any information about these would be helpful.

The BRuticus KO isn't too good.

well they are based on 20 year-old toys

Uh.

That too.

But other than problems that the origanals would have too, are the KO's Bad? and also, i think that the particular bruticus knock-off i'm considering getting, is also called "Valdigus", but i could be wrong.

Deadpool. wrote:

Jazzz wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:

Plastikov wrote:I noticed that in the Bruticus toy gallery at this site, the G1, G2, Ruination, chinese KO's, and some others versions of Bruticus were shown.

Obviously, someone at seibertron has the chinese ones, so i thought to ask if they are good, as long as one only want's these toys, but doesn't mind not getting sought after collectors items.

Are the chinese Bruticus and Devastator Knock-offs exact copys of the origanals, (they appear to be.) except for the colors/paint, and stickers? and what are they like in terms of qualliy?

...And also, what about the chinese WST combiners? does anyone have those, and could tell me what those are like?

Any information about these would be helpful.

The BRuticus KO isn't too good.

well they are based on 20 year-old toys

Uh.

That too.

But other than problems that the origanals would have too, are the KO's Bad? and also, i think that the particular bruticus knock-off i'm considering getting, is also called "Valdigus", but i could be wrong.

????? How did that get posted twice? that wasn't supposed to happen.....

The Bruticus one is alright if you get the right one.

Be careful of this one:
That one is pretty bad quality and often doesn't fit together right.

This one:

is much better. It fits together and the plastic is slightly stronger.

This one:

The limb components are roughly the size of micromasters. Quality is decent.

This one:

I don't think the limbs can scramble on this one. The limbs are the size of WSTFs. Quality is decent.

In all versions, Onslaught's chestplate is missing and most, if not all(depending on the version you get) of the small guns are absent. Surprisingly, all versions come with Onslaught's ramp and missile emplacement so you can fully transform him into the battle platform mode.

Hope this helps.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:The Bruticus one is alright if you get the right one.

Be careful of this one:
That one is pretty bad quality and often doesn't fit together right.

This one:

is much better. It fits together and the plastic is slightly stronger.

This one:

The limb components are roughly the size of micromasters. Quality is decent.

This one:

I don't think the limbs can scramble on this one. The limbs are the size of WSTFs. Quality is decent.

In all versions, Onslaught's chestplate is missing and most, if not all(depending on the version you get) of the small guns are absent. Surprisingly, all versions come with Onslaught's ramp and missile emplacement so you can fully transform him into the battle platform mode.

Hope this helps.

I find it interesting that one of the pictures you posted, is one from greattoysonline.com, since the version on the blister cards, with the fancy stickers, is the one i was considering buying, and from the same webstore, too.

I saw three sizes of both Bruticus and Devastator, which greattoysonline has, those being the origanl size, the "micromasters" that they said are about 20% smaller, and WST's, that they said were about half the size or the origanals. Both the full-size, and WST's are the one's i am interested in.

This does help, thanks.

Now if only someone could tell me if th Devastotor KO's are good, or not.

The Devastator Ko is pretty good actually.




As you can probably tell from the picture, this one is missing a lot of painted detail.





This one is properly painted and is surprisingly durable. I've heard of them falling off desks and coming out of it no worse for wear.(Don't try it though )

You can't see from the pictures but these actually do come with a few accessories for the constructicons. Mixmaster, for example, has his two drills. the WST versoin's accessories are purple unpainted plastic while the miscromaster version actually has crome in some places.

Hope that helps

The Chaos Bringer wrote:The Devastator Ko is pretty good actually.




As you can probably tell from the picture, this one is missing a lot of painted detail.





This one is properly painted and is surprisingly durable. I've heard of them falling off desks and coming out of it no worse for wear.(Don't try it though )

You can't see from the pictures but these actually do come with a few accessories for the constructicons. Mixmaster, for example, has his two drills. the WST versoin's accessories are purple unpainted plastic while the miscromaster version actually has crome in some places.

Hope that helps

Excellent! glad to hear this, maybe next week when i have some more pocket money, i'll get myself a Bruticus/Valdigus knockofficus!

I'll be looking for some myself. I love the mini combiners(and the mini Fort Max that the same company also makes)

I think you'll be happy to know that the KO devastator's pieces actually fit together better than the real thing. Devastator's arms were prone to falling off and Long Haul was prone to snapping under the weight of 3 other figures. The KOs are lighter plastic so there is less weight to hold up and slightly bumpier plastic gives the limbs a snugger fit. The scramble city combiners also fit together better. This is one of those times when being a cheap Knock-off actually improves the toy.

So have no fear and happy hunting!

Does anyone know how good, or bad the "quick change transforming system" brand gestalt KO's that Biglots has are? I found those just last night, though it was after 8:00pm, and they did not have a good selection of them at the time.

If those are of decent quality, i might rather get them, since they are only $6 per set, and the local Biglots is only a mile away.

If not, i'd rather get the other ones, even though they would cost about twice as much, and twice that with shipping.

WTH though, i might get both, unless someone says they have the KO's from Biglots, and that they are crappy.

Not sure about the quick change system combiners but everything I do know about from that brand is pretty good. You can break their products if you aren't careful but nothing breaks just from touching it. They did some Robot Masters KOs and I think a few Classics KOs. I'm getting a few items from them for the holiday season and I have complete confidence in my purchases.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:Not sure about the quick change system combiners but everything I do know about from that brand is pretty good. You can break their products if you aren't careful but nothing breaks just from touching it. They did some Robot Masters KOs and I think a few Classics KOs. I'm getting a few items from them for the holiday season and I have complete confidence in my purchases.

BEWARE! I just bought the Quick change aerialbots/Superion set, and the quality is horrible.

Nothing fits right, there are blobs of excess plastic on some parts, even sharp bits of plasic on some parts, stickers that i do not recall seeing on the toys, will fall off from seemingly nowhere, and when i tried to attach the left leg of Superion, to the body, it would not go in, but rather slipped, and cut one of my fingers- and it was not even sharp!

Beware, i reccomend avoiding this one like the plague, and even though it was only $5, i intend to go back to the store, and see if i can get a refund, because there is no excuse for a toy to be this bad.

as for Bruticus and Devastator, i'll definaely wait until i can get the other ones, that were mentioned in previous postings.

All the Superion KOs are bad. Even the official Superion was bad. Don't let it affect your view of combiner KOs in general. Superion is just inherently bad.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:All the Superion KOs are bad. Even the official Superion was bad. Don't let it affect your view of combiner KOs in general. Superion is just inherently bad.

Well, if that is the case, i'll drop the ideas i had abot looking for a G2 Silverbolt on ebay.

I find it hard to believe, though, that molding defects, like the blobs, would have been on the origanals, as well as the sharp bits, which look like where injection molded plastic parts are cut off of plastic runners, but obviously not trimmed down like they should be.

When i got this set, there were also protectobot/Defensor KO sets, and i thought about getting one of those too, or instead of Superion. So if they only offer store credit, or exchange, i'll probably get that set in place of this one. If they (family dollar) do not offer refunds, store credit, or exchanges, i will probably never go back there again.

I did get a pair of G2 cyberjet KO's that they had, and they are OK, but did not have instructions, so i'll need to look for some pictures of the instructions. Plus i got a TF universe Windrazor that i found there for $5, and i am happy with that one.

G1 Superion was utter garbage. Silverbolt broke very easily around the legs which rendered the entire set useless within minutes. The smaller KOs are better since Silverbolt has to hold up that much less weight than the original.

Also beware of the G2 version. It has crazy colors and breaks even more easily than the original due to poorer quality plastic.

The Defensor KO isn't nearly as bad since the original was as solid as a brick but still has trouble fitting together. All the box-set combiner KOs share the problems your Superion has but Superion is just the worst offender due to not even being good in the first place. Stay away from all box-set KOs and all Superion KOs and you'll be fine.

If you like Defensor, I recommend the new one that is in the Micromaster KO packaging but is regular size. It fits together right(which it has to, since it's packaged in the combined mode) but isn't simplified like the Micromaster and WST versions are. It still doesn't come with the repair mode attatchments but didn't those all just end up getting lost anyway?

BTW any pics of your Superion KO? I'd like to see the packaging.

BTW forgot to mention, the small Onslaughts' arms don't transform correctly into the correct position for the combined mode, but the chestplate can still attach properly.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:BTW any pics of your Superion KO? I'd like to see the packaging.

Though i am not very good at taking pictures, and only have a camera in my phone, these images should show the crapulence adaquately. Some of the worst fitting joins are highlighted in blue.



the box had a red background, but it was torn up upon opening.

Good gravy I've seen those

BTW Have you seen the new carded Defensor yet? I don't have any family dollars around here that aren't in hoods so I don't have one yet but I hear the quality is excellent. And the best part is they're doing all the combiners like that. They're all full size like the box sets but they're carded in the combined mode so you know they fit together right.

Here's to hoping they finally get Menasor right.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:Good gravy I've seen those

BTW Have you seen the new carded Defensor yet? I don't have any family dollars around here that aren't in hoods so I don't have one yet but I hear the quality is excellent. And the best part is they're doing all the combiners like that. They're all full size like the box sets but they're carded in the combined mode so you know they fit together right.

Here's to hoping they finally get Menasor right.

So far, the only places i have seen TF KO sets, are Biglots and Familiy dollar, and i have only been to these stores one or two times, and only seen a few different box sets, none on cards.

Though at the Biglots wholesale website, they show pictures of the same brand of combiner knockoffs, in diffetent boxes, packaged in combined form.

unfortunately, Biglots wholesale only sells to other commercial vendors, and they have to buy at least $500 of stuff at a time. Besides, those ones only might be better, though if i had seen those versions, i would have been likely to have chosen them instead.

BTW are there any stores other than Biglots and Familiy dollar, where trasformer knockoffs can usually be found? though i'm still pretty convinced that i would rather look for the carded chinese ones on ebay.

I think Walgreens and Kmart have them. They seem to be really common around Easter for some reason.

Walgreens definitely has the Transformable Motorbot ones. I got Bruticus,Superion,and Devastator. I've always wanted the combiners,but never could fork over the money for genuine ones. They were five or six bucks for each entire set,a good buy ( Kind of..). Bruticus is great,looks genuine,and stays together pretty well. Superion is put together almost exactly like Bruticus. Devastator is put together "meh"-ly,the bottom half goes together fine,but the top half..
Well..I had to put them on with tape if that says anything. There also pretty small,I mean you know how they look about 3 times normal TF size in the comics and toon? Well,they barely stand over Op. Other than that,yeah their pretty decent.

galvamus prime wrote:Walgreens definitely has the Transformable Motorbot ones. I got Bruticus,Superion,and Devastator. I've always wanted the combiners,but never could fork over the money for genuine ones. They were five or six bucks for each entire set,a good buy ( Kind of..). Bruticus is great,looks genuine,and stays together pretty well. Superion is put together almost exactly like Bruticus. Devastator is put together "meh"-ly,the bottom half goes together fine,but the top half..
Well..I had to put them on with tape if that says anything. There also pretty small,I mean you know how they look about 3 times normal TF size in the comics and toon? Well,they barely stand over Op. Other than that,yeah their pretty decent.

Any pics?