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America indeed can be a terrific place to live. Personally, I've lived in Virginia, Florida, Tennessee, Hawaii, Kentucky, etc. I've also been up north and out west. I've seen most of what this country has to offer in terms of geography and have seen its socio-economic range. Also, the opportunities for the individual are amazing. I am only 23, and with no college degree and little experience I'm already in business. And that is pretty darn cool. In some countries, that would be near impossible. As a woman I have advantages over SOOO most men in most countries.

Unfortunately, we have many, many flaws. Housing in some parts of the country (California, the Northeast, and Florida, for example) are becoming impossible for many to afford, health care is a virtual crisis, and we have about 40 million people living in poverty. That's a huge problem. We need to stop giving a **** about gay marriage or whether the Ten Commandments belongs in a courthouse (which it doesn't). See, one of our problems is that our priorites are screwed up.

Oh, and about nuclear power. We have this hippy corn/solar movement. We hear a lot of scare tactics about nuclear power without knowing the real facts, that it is clean and safe. Oh well.

Loki120 wrote:The UN is about as useless as a golden trash can, it looks pretty but all it does is hold garbage.

Well said, my friend. Consider yourself quoted!


Oh, and for everyone else: America IS #1! Deal with it.

PS: the above is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing any of you "one world" people can say or do will ever change it. And my gripe with france is not by any means with people, it's with policy. As forAmericans using paper plates, thrift is a good quality, not a bad one.

Lord Starscream20 wrote:

Loki120 wrote:The UN is about as useless as a golden trash can, it looks pretty but all it does is hold garbage.

Well said, my friend. Consider yourself quoted!

Whenever someone brings up the U.N. and makes some statement alluding to what an important organization it is I think of that Chapelle's show skit

Tammuz wrote:you love a country run by corrupt bastards? why?

Those corrupt bastards have nothing to do with the people of this nation and what the people stand for. Just because you hate your own country (as admitted by yourself earlier in this thread) doesn't mean everybody else feels that way. Too bad you have to be that way. It's your loss if you can't find something to love about your country and it's people. But corupt politicians isn't what THIS country is all about. You can sit over there and get brainwashed by your radical liberal media and believe that the US is just like the corupt politicians but it isn't like that here. The people are what makes this nation great not politicians. This nation is ruled by the people and the government is only supposed to play a small role by protecting us with military and a police force. That is something wev'e gotten away from over the past 15 years but the people won't put up with those politicians forever and they will eventually get sick of it and vote out the idiots in the government. That is what's great about this nation. Sorry you can't find that with you country or with, as it seems, any others.

basically if you start saying I'm better becuase I'm american, is racsim, and you can be idiot no matter your nationality

I can't describe how wrong and offensive this post really is. You are a self admitted grump, and you are proudly radical liberal (you bragged about being so far left as Ghandi) and all i can say is it is definately that kind of person and ONLY that kind of person who could possibly relate pride and love for one's nation as racism. That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read and someone who is as educated as you claim to be should know better then garbage like that.

if your wife(who i assume you love) happened to be french, would you love her any less? if your mates where bangladeshi, would you not hang out with them? if your politicians where italian would they be any more trustworthy?

When did I say I hate all other nations just because I think the US is the best on Earth. Right there you lose logic. Just because a Lamborghini is better then a Ferrari does that mean that Ferrari sucks? Nope. Same damn thing. I happen to have a huge diversity of friends whom I care about greatly from differant nationalities. But just because I love my country doesn't mean I hate everybody else. After reading the posts in this thread, it appears the Brittish are the ones who hate everybody. Americans are proud because we created an empire unlike the Earth has ever seen in history and we did it in 250 years and there have been empires that lasted 1000 years that couldn't do what the USA did in 250. Hell, yeah I'm proud o that. I'm proud that we have people that give so much money to charity and help the world out when disaters strike. I have no reason to hate my country because of a corrupt political system that will only last until the people get fed up and vote them out and things go back to normal.

p.s. I'm as far away from racist as one can get. I don't appreciate being called a racist (especially for such a lame reason) so don't call me a racist again, or I'm done discussing anything with you.

Lord Starscream20 wrote:Oh, and for everyone else: America IS #1! Deal with it.

PS: the above is my opinion, only my opinion, and nothing any of you "one world" people can say or do will ever change it.

Well if it's your opinion, why is it also some irrefutable fact that we have to deal with?

My opinion, that I have formed through learning about other countries' policies on various issues, is that America is not number 1. I wouldn't place anything in the actual number 1, I would just make a top 10 list in no particular order, which probably would include America, New Zealand, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Autralia, Japan, England, France, and Germany. But notice each of those places have some kind of crap going on in them as well, but not nearly as bad as the Middle East, China, or Africa.

America is not #1. It's more or less equal to several other places on Earth. People just say it's #1 because the pride in it was trained into them at an early age. People say their own soil is number one, and there's really no objective grounds for that. It's tribal instinct.

We're not #1 on healthcare, and certainly not #1 on education, two very important factors in civilized life. We are #1 on personal charity, which is a huge credit to our people. But most of our schools need serious reform, and our healthcare is good, if you can afford it. If I do in fact have MS, I am SOOOOOOO lucky I have the govt to foot the bill. But I pity the poor Americans that have debilitating diseases and can't pay for it....wait, we already discussed this. Anyway, I love America but I'm not going to beat my chest in an ignorant fashion if I haven't even visited the countries I claim to be better than.

HoosierDaddy wrote:Americans are proud because we created an empire unlike the Earth has ever seen in history and we did it in 250 years and there have been empires that lasted 1000 years that couldn't do what the USA did in 250. Hell, yeah I'm proud o that. I'm proud that we have people that give so much money to charity and help the world out when disaters strike. I have no reason to hate my country because of a corrupt political system that will only last until the people get fed up and vote them out and things go back to normal.

I just want to go on record and say that I agree with the above statement, despite my denial of America having any kind of #1 status. I still think it's a great place to live and yes I am damn thankful I have the oppurtunities and freedoms I have. Especially since I'm so obsessed with the Chinese human rights issue.

I also want to state on the record that I don't believe nationalism equals rascism. I've encountered that arguement before, and it's a liberal stretch. Yes, extreme nationalism taken too far can lead to rascism, but it doesn't always, just like owning a gun and going to the shooting range doesn't lead to mass murder.

Moonbase2 wrote:We're not #1 on healthcare, and certainly not #1 on education, two very important factors in civilized life. We are #1 on personal charity, which is a huge credit to our people. But most of our schools need serious reform, and our healthcare is good, if you can afford it. If I do in fact have MS, I am SOOOOOOO lucky I have the govt to foot the bill. But I pity the poor Americans that have debilitating diseases and can't pay for it....wait, we already discussed this. Anyway, I love America but I'm not going to beat my chest in an ignorant fashion if I haven't even visited the countries I claim to be better than.

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more on education. Our education system has failed us for many years now. In my opinion our education system has failed because politicians have become more worried about political correctness then the well being of the civilians. We never were this stupid as a whole until recently in the last couple decades. Until the last couple decades Americans were among the smartest people in the world but recently have become very ignorant and uneducated and it is sad. Many Americans are more worried about what will happen with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie then they are about knowing how to pick out where on a map the USA is. Pathetic and it needs fixed. I wish I had the answer.

But to let you know about health care in the US, if you are in need of medical attention in the US it is against the law for hospitals to deny you care. They must do so. So, you might be a little ill informed on that because with or without insurance you will recieve medical attention. Of course your still expected to pay for it, but it isn't like you'll die on the hospitals front lawn after having been pushed back out. This of course causes another proble. We have millions of illegal aliens draining our healthcare because they take advantage of that law and get care then they disappear and never pay for it. Add that to the frivilous lawsuits that run rampant now days and our healthcare costs have skyrocketed. Those two problems can and SHOULD be addressed and we can get costs back down. Unfortunately the democrats will protect those people because that is their voting base.

Dark Zarak wrote:

HoosierDaddy wrote:Americans are proud because we created an empire unlike the Earth has ever seen in history and we did it in 250 years and there have been empires that lasted 1000 years that couldn't do what the USA did in 250. Hell, yeah I'm proud o that. I'm proud that we have people that give so much money to charity and help the world out when disaters strike. I have no reason to hate my country because of a corrupt political system that will only last until the people get fed up and vote them out and things go back to normal.

I just want to go on record and say that I agree with the above statement, despite my denial of America having any kind of #1 status. I still think it's a great place to live and yes I am damn thankful I have the oppurtunities and freedoms I have. Especially since I'm so obsessed with the Chinese human rights issue.

I also want to state on the record that I don't believe nationalism equals rascism. I've encountered that arguement before, and it's a liberal stretch. Yes, extreme nationalism taken too far can lead to rascism, but it doesn't always, just like owning a gun and going to the shooting range doesn't lead to mass murder.

Excellent post as well. I think it has less to do with "America's #1" then whith having pride and love and appreciation for being lucky enough to be here in the land of oppertunity. But the "we're #1" is really no differant then NFL football fans holding up a We're #1 foam finger even though they know their team isn't going to win the Superbowl. They just love their team and to them, said team is #1.

HoosierDaddy wrote:But the "we're #1" is really no differant then NFL football fans holding up a We're #1 foam finger even though they know their team isn't going to win the Superbowl. They just love their team and to them, said team is #1.

I can understand that one. I'm well steeped in both my parent's and my own college team rivalries.

Damn Stanfurd.

Damn Santa Barbara. Bunch of asses they are.

lkavadas wrote:

Tammuz wrote:you love a country run by corrupt bastards? why?

Umm, every country is run by corrupt bastards. So by your logic every person in every nation should hate their country. Or at the very least not love it. Do you hate Britain? Wait, since you're far to the left of socialism that answer is probably yes. So, do you hate Cuba? Nah, of course you don't, but it's run by corrupt bastards. Or a corrupt bastard if you want to be specific.

yes, when it comes to telling you how sucky britian is i'll be there, and i don't hate cuba becuase frankly i don't know cuba, and they've never charge me tax,

lkavadas wrote:

basically if you start saying I'm better becuase I'm american, is racsim, and you can be idiot no matter your nationality

How is saying, "America is superior to all other nations," racist? How desperate are you? The term "Americans" makes absolutely no racial implications nor does it carry any racial connotations. It does it explicitly state nationality. Hence someone who makes the claim, "America is superior to all other nations," is in fact a nationalist.

Wow, I'm really surprised that you think racism and nationalism are synonyms. Keep grasping for straws, Tammy.

well it's seems exactly like saying whites are superior to all races, except you're substituting nations for race.

saying something is better purely becuase it's american is racist, you have to quantify it, I like britian better than america becuase; my friends and family are there, the curry is better, and the guiness doesn't taste wrong.

the UN wrote:according to UN International Conventions, "the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

so descriminating against people becuase of their national origins is rascim.

Americans are proud because we created an empire unlike the Earth has ever seen in history and we did it in 250 years and there have been empires that lasted 1000 years that couldn't do what the USA did in 250.

what was different about the US empire other than it's youth?

We've already gone over the the whole education debate here, but very few people want to know the truth about it. I can point out the flaw in the US education system, is the sheer socialization of it. A school voucher system would do wonders for our children's education. This will make the the schools have to get better in order to compete and get those students into their buildings. Also get rid of that damn tenure thing which is holding incompetent teachers in place with their jobs. You'd be surprise how much better people do in their work when they come to the realization that they could be easily replaced.

And I have to disagree about the Heathcare, it's one of the best in world. It's how to pay for it which has become the hot button issue, so again, people believe that socialization is the answer, when that will only make it worse.

And I TOTALLY disagree about the patriotism issue. There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking pride in your country. As stated before, it's the people and the culture (which really is a melting of a ton of different cultures which can vary widely depending on where you go.) that is what I love about the US, and a lot less about the politicians.

This nation is ruled by the people and the government is only supposed to play a small role by protecting us with military and a police force.

This is changing because this country is skewing further and further to the extreme left. They don't want you to believe that you cannot exist or live without the government in your lives, that you need the comfort and security that only they can provide. Socialization programs only further this typical brainwashing.

well it's seems exactly like saying whites are superior to all races, except you're substituting nations for race.

This statement is made all the more ironic and hilarious when given the fact that the US is comprised of so many more nationalities and cultures than just white people.

Tammuz wrote:well it's seems exactly like saying whites are superior to all races, except you're substituting nations for race.

Except it's not anything related to race. Nationalism is not racism. Nationalism has absolutely no connection to any race. It never has. That's why they invented the term nationalism. Because it is something specifically dissimilar and separate to racism.

saying something is better purely becuase it's american is racist

Are you on crack? American is not a race. It's a nationality. Being American doesn't imply any specific race whatsoever.

Please read this.

Loki120 says

We've already gone over the the whole education debate here, but very few people want to know the truth about it. I can point out the flaw in the US education system, is the sheer socialization of it. A school voucher system would do wonders for our children's education. This will make the the schools have to get better in order to compete and get those students into their buildings. Also get rid of that damn tenure thing which is holding incompetent teachers in place with their jobs. You'd be surprise how much better people do in their work when they come to the realization that they could be easily replaced.

Wrong on soooooo many levels. Have you ever talked to a school teacher, no I mean talked to them. They are ones on the front lines. The problem is a bunch of business people trying to run a school as a business.

First and foremost the thing that is most whacked in this country are our priorities. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Capitalism and consumerism is bad for a society. It puts value on money and not the things that really matter, like social responsibility.

The most important job that a society has is it's education of it's children. Teachers get paid Sh!t and that's wrong. All teacher's say, " I teach because I want to, not for the money." That's because teacher's get paid one of the lowest rates for a job as important as what they do.

The school voucher program is totally stupid. Why take money away from a school that needs more teachers and more resources. A failing school should get more money and better teachers.

Systematically, funding for the arts and education has taken a backseat. Now the children that have gone through that are failing miserably.

The schools and arts should get more funding than anything else.

And don't get me started on tests like the F-Cats(Florida Comprehensive tests). These tests are only good at testing a students ability to take that test on that day.

Education and learning aren't able to be quantified like business leaders want it. So they just give it less funding and then point the finger and say, "Hey, it's failing, let's take more money away from it." Simple put, the worst idea ever.

If you disagree with any of the above statements, I want you to talk to some school teachers or search the internet for the blogs.

The reason we are so far behind the rest of the "Civilized" world in education is from these horrible ideas.

DJDrew&ScoobyDoo wrote:Loki120 says

We've already gone over the the whole education debate here, but very few people want to know the truth about it. I can point out the flaw in the US education system, is the sheer socialization of it. A school voucher system would do wonders for our children's education. This will make the the schools have to get better in order to compete and get those students into their buildings. Also get rid of that damn tenure thing which is holding incompetent teachers in place with their jobs. You'd be surprise how much better people do in their work when they come to the realization that they could be easily replaced.

Wrong on soooooo many levels. Have you ever talked to a school teacher, no I mean talked to them. They are ones on the front lines. The problem is a bunch of business people trying to run a school as a business.

First and foremost the thing that is most whacked in this country are our priorities. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Capitalism and consumerism is bad for a society. It puts value on money and not the things that really matter, like social responsibility.

The most important job that a society has is it's education of it's children. Teachers get paid Sh!t and that's wrong. All teacher's say, " I teach because I want to, not for the money." That's because teacher's get paid one of the lowest rates for a job as important as what they do.

The school voucher program is totally stupid. Why take money away from a school that needs more teachers and more resources. A failing school should get more money and better teachers.

Systematically, funding for the arts and education has taken a backseat. Now the children that have gone through that are failing miserably.

The schools and arts should get more funding than anything else.

And don't get me started on tests like the F-Cats(Florida Comprehensive tests). These tests are only good at testing a students ability to take that test on that day.

Education and learning aren't able to be quantified like business leaders want it. So they just give it less funding and then point the finger and say, "Hey, it's failing, let's take more money away from it." Simple put, the worst idea ever.

If you disagree with any of the above statements, I want you to talk to some school teachers or search the internet for the blogs.

The reason we are so far behind the rest of the "Civilized" world in education is from these horrible ideas.

Only someone who has no concept of consumerism and what competition does will fight for a system that simply does not work. Again, Capitalism is named as being bad, but no evidence is ever given as to why that is, beyond the nieve understanding that money=greed=evil. "Oh noes, we must stop the souless corporations!!!"

You have to get that stereotype out of your head that making money is bad. Simply put, a school is already a business. They provide a service, they recieve money for that service. The only difference is that at the moment, you have no say as to how that money is used. And just because something is a corporation doesn't mean that they're socially irresponsible - quite frankly I have no idea how you came to this drivel.
Business=jobs=money=competition=better quality of service. And most corporations either contribute, or lead social programs that actually help people. You can't be more socially responsible than that.

Only with the system that's in place now, you totally dictated as to where you go by the school system you live in. If it's one of the worst school in the city, you have NO choice, you're child is forced into sub-standard education. And throwing more money at the problem has never fixed anything. If a school now has to compete to pull in students, you can sure bet that they are going to raise the standard in their education. Right now, they have absolutely no incentive to do so.

I'm not picking on teachers, there are many many many teachers out there who deserve their job, and deserve more than what they get. But what incentive do the others have to do better when they have nothing to lose? This isn't a war on teachers, so get that out of your head, it's a war on the current state of our country's education system. It's faulty, it's outmoded, and quite frankly, it deserves to be replaced.

The beauty of being Human is that we all think different and have different opinions, including my own.

"Opinions are like @ssholes. Everyone has one and no one wants to hear one!" ~ Olde Drewish Saying

The beauty of being American is that we can have these conversations and not be shot for being dissidents.

As a rational person I can see value in the post above. I don't agree with it however.

When I see the ravages of deforestation, depleting our natural resources and the fiscal force driving these things, I see the problem as the market pushing these.

I agree that competition brings lower prices, at first. But as an example. Wal*Mart will come into a small town drop their prices on certain items to drive out the local comp. Once the local comp is gone, they then raise their prices again. The answer you say to this is that now Wal*Mart needs a Target, and a K-Mart to compete to bring the prices down again. However, now instead of having one huge corporation, you now have three. Taking up land, resources, demanding tax breaks 'cuase they bring revenue to the city. Well, if you take tax breaks that pretty much nix's the positive effect on the local economy.

I don't think teaching kids to buy stuff is the best way to raise our youth. Everything is disposable, and that's dangerous for the environment. I care greatly about our environment. The great push for consumerism is wreaking the environment. We must think and choose conservation over a quick fix for a couple 'o bucks.

I have seen a lot of people toting the great benefits of Nuclear power. The fear that many have is what is done with the waste? There is great concern about what to do with this nations current stockpiles of nuclear waste. And as pointed out earlier, we have fewer nuke plants compared to others. Where does the waste go? In the ground? Eventually, it will leak. Into space? What if a rocket blows up and irradiated everyone for 300 square miles. There is no easy answer, we can all agree on that. We have to work smarter. Find alternatives that do not deplete our few natural resources and do not leave a radioactive nightmare for our great, great, grandkids.

On this note, lets go to our local coastlines and pick up some trash on September 15. http://www.oceanconservancy.org/ Save the planet and all.

DJDrew&ScoobyDoo wrote:When I see the ravages of deforestation, depleting our natural resources and the fiscal force driving these things, I see the problem as the market pushing these.

Again, you under the niave understanding that all corporations are a slash and burn outfit. Over the years, many have become more responsible with their actions, deforestations has led to reforestation, the drive towards alternative fuels, etc.

I agree that competition brings lower prices, at first. But as an example. Wal*Mart will come into a small town drop their prices on certain items to drive out the local comp. Once the local comp is gone, they then raise their prices again. The answer you say to this is that now Wal*Mart needs a Target, and a K-Mart to compete to bring the prices down again. However, now instead of having one huge corporation, you now have three. Taking up land, resources, demanding tax breaks 'cuase they bring revenue to the city. Well, if you take tax breaks that pretty much nix's the positive effect on the local economy.

Not necessarily. In most places I see, and i the city where I live, there are at least one Wal-Mart, and I also see a great deal of small businesses thriving. It's possible for these two to coexist. The only competition I see being run out of town are other corporations, including K-Mart. Target has managed a small niche here as well. Also from my experience it's because of these larger corporations that small businesses begin to thrive. It's because of Target that an entire group of business managed to find a place to open shop when they built the shopping center.

More businesses=more jobs=greater economy. And everyone who shops them pay a state and local tax.

I don't think teaching kids to buy stuff is the best way to raise our youth. Everything is disposable, and that's dangerous for the environment. I care greatly about our environment. The great push for consumerism is wreaking the environment. We must think and choose conservation over a quick fix for a couple 'o bucks.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that we suddenly going to be opening schools about shopping. I don't get where you make that jump.

And as for conservation, it's not that I don't disagree with you, it's just I'm almost willing to bet that you most of the time you don't throw that soda can into the recycling bin, don't take public transportation, and turn off your air conditioning when you're not at home. (If you do, great, but I'm still willing to be that you don't do your all in this regard either).
Also in this same line, most things that are disposable is also recyclable. It's not just corporate accountabilty, it's about personal accountabilty.

I have seen a lot of people toting the great benefits of Nuclear power. The fear that many have is what is done with the waste? There is great concern about what to do with this nations current stockpiles of nuclear waste. And as pointed out earlier, we have fewer nuke plants compared to others. Where does the waste go? In the ground? Eventually, it will leak. Into space? What if a rocket blows up and irradiated everyone for 300 square miles. There is no easy answer, we can all agree on that. We have to work smarter. Find alternatives that do not deplete our few natural resources and do not leave a radioactive nightmare for our great, great, grandkids.

You also seem to be under the impression that scientists are all monkeys with typewriters. Do you honestly believe that in this day and age, we're going to bury nuclear waste in the local resevoir? Are you aware that a place is being constructed at this very moment where nuclear waste can be stored in leak proof containers (capable of withstanding fire and collision damage), 3 miles under and inside solid mountain, in a part of the country with arid conditions.
Sounds a lot safer than drilling oil and mining coal if you ask me.
Hey, I'm all for solar power and such...as a suppliment. But let's face it, the world isn't capable of running on these alone.

On this note, lets go to our local coastlines and pick up some trash on September 15. http://www.oceanconservancy.org/ Save the planet and all.

Sounds like a plan. Can't disagree with that.

I'm not ready to abandon the atom just yet. You should see what our scientists are working on now. They plan to use the same process that happens in our own sun to create an unimaginable amount of power. The process is quite complex but very safe. The way they plan to build the plants would prevent all possibility of a meltdown. With the new designs, if something went wrong, the plant would simply shut down and reactions would stop immediately. Absolutely no danger exists.
As for the waste, it would become safe in about 50 years, rather than the thousands that waste from older methods takes.
Why use solar power when you can use the very process that that the Sun uses and use all of the power that gets unleashed, rather than wait for leftovers to come all the way to Earth.
If we relied mostly on this new source of power, we would never need fossil fuals again. That would mean we could get out of Iraq, close the oil companies, gas companies, and coal companies, and forget about gas prices! Then people would stop talking about global warming (which is real, but normal) and then the government could focus more on other things.
Hydrogen has the potential to solve a lot of problems.

The Chaos Bringer wrote:I'm not ready to abandon the atom just yet. You should see what our scientists are working on now. They plan to use the same process that happens in our own sun to create an unimaginable amount of power. The process is quite complex but very safe. The way they plan to build the plants would prevent all possibility of a meltdown. With the new designs, if something went wrong, the plant would simply shut down and reactions would stop immediately. Absolutely no danger exists.
As for the waste, it would become safe in about 50 years, rather than the thousands that waste from older methods takes.
Why use solar power when you can use the very process that that the Sun uses and use all of the power that gets unleashed, rather than wait for leftovers to come all the way to Earth.
If we relied mostly on this new source of power, we would never need fossil fuals again. That would mean we could get out of Iraq, close the oil companies, gas companies, and coal companies, and forget about gas prices! Then people would stop talking about global warming (which is real, but normal) and then the government could focus more on other things.
Hydrogen has the potential to solve a lot of problems.

You're talking about Fusion. I would like to see some information on this new process.

Dark Zarak wrote:
You're talking about Fusion. I would like to see some information on this new process.

Apparently, if done incorrectly, it can weld four mechanical arms right onto your body.

I can't begin to imagine why Republican scandals are so damn popular. All I know is I like to wear rubber scandals when I walk on the beach or get the morning paper.

Professor Smooth wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:
You're talking about Fusion. I would like to see some information on this new process.

Apparently, if done incorrectly, it can weld four mechanical arms right onto your body.

LOL!!!