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Tidalwavex wrote:I was 12 years old at the time & you said you were 15. both of us didn't have any access in 1986 to those season 3 episodes rattings data sheets in late 1986. we don't have the data viewership rattings from 1984,1985 & 1986 transformers cartoon. 7:30 am wasn't that bad of a time slot to air newer TF g-1 season 3 episodes in 1986. we don't know if the 7:30 am TF G-1 newer episodes got better or worse rattings than seasons 1 or 2. some like myself were getting dressed for school & did catch a few minutes of cartoons airing on 7:30 on weekdays during getting ready for school. for all we know kids under the age of 4 or 5 could have watched the 7:30 TF G-1 season cartoon in 1986. not everyones school starts at 8:00 am sharp. i went to a few private christian schools & my start time was 9:00 am. right now in the year 2011 my 2 nieces public school start at 8:30 am.

why would hasbro bother creating a season 4,if season 3 did so poorly in the rattings?

well I wasnt really commenting on official ratings.But for the record, hasbro never intended on "The rebirth" as being a season 4.

Remember, Transformers wasnt a "network" propgram, it was a syndicated cartoon and had to be "sold" to local tv channels,like WPIX for the tri-state area and other local channels in other markets.

In some markets, The G1 cartoon was canceled mid season 3 due to declining interest in the franchise as a whole.Following the movie Hasbro got a lot of dissatisfied fan information.Parent groups, fan letters.Not every market aired all season 3 episodes, and not all aired "TRoOP".And yes, after the return, WPIX also decided not to buy any new episodes.

Most fans think there was a big season 4 planned but thats just not the case."The Rebirth" was originally planned as a 5 part pilot for a new "Headmasters" series. And thats how Has/Marvel pitched the series.It was intended to be a spin off.Wrix supported the idea and payed for the episodes, but a lot of other local stations did not.So it got reduced to a 3 parter.

And 7;30 am was a pretty bad time slot for this show.Many older fans like me, had to be out of the house by 7;15am to make it to school on time.Other kids were getting ready.I know my foster brothers werent allowed to watch tv at that time because they had to get ready for school.

add the not so good timeslot, the change in all the primary characters,the change in the basic setting of the episodes and the era the show takes place, the established fans just out growing the franchise and the new stories not really appealing to new fans its a recipe for failure

and considering thats exactly what happened, fan dis-interest proves itself.

Tidalwavex wrote:Technically generation one had 98 USA episodes. then over 100 japanese TF G-1 cartoon episodes from headmasters,masterforce,victory,that pilot scramble city episode. that pilot zone episode. and if one counts the 1986 movie broken up into 5 parts,then add another 5.

Those were all multiple series in Japan, not one show. What we got in America was one show and one movie. What Japan got was five separate shows, two OVAs (not pilots), and one movie.

Sabrblade wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Technically generation one had 98 USA episodes. then over 100 japanese TF G-1 cartoon episodes from headmasters,masterforce,victory,that pilot scramble city episode. that pilot zone episode. and if one counts the 1986 movie broken up into 5 parts,then add another 5.

Those were all multiple series in Japan, not one show. What we got in America was one show and one movie. What Japan got was five separate shows, two OVAs (not pilots), and one movie.

Elaboration:

TV Shows
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer (US Season 1 & 2)
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer 2010 (US Season 3)
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer The Headmasters
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer Choujin Masterforce
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer Victory

OVA
Scramble City pt.1 (second part doesn't count)
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer Zone

And I wouldn't count the movie being cut up into 5 episodes either, since that was part of the re-run "Season 5".

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Elaboration:

TV Shows
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer (US Season 1 & 2)
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer 2010 (US Season 3)
Transformer The Headmasters
Transformer Choujin Masterforce
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer Victory

OVA
Scramble City Hatsudō Hen
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer Zone

Fixed.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Elaboration:

TV Shows
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer (US Season 1 & 2)
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer 2010 (US Season 3)
Transformer The Headmasters
Transformer Choujin Masterforce
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer Victory

OVA
Scramble City Hatsudō Hen
Tatakae! Chou Robotto Seimetai Transformer Zone

Fixed.

And I thought *I* was anal about names

Sabrblade wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Technically generation one had 98 USA episodes. then over 100 japanese TF G-1 cartoon episodes from headmasters,masterforce,victory,that pilot scramble city episode. that pilot zone episode. and if one counts the 1986 movie broken up into 5 parts,then add another 5.

Those were all multiple series in Japan, not one show. What we got in America was one show and one movie. What Japan got was five separate shows, two OVAs (not pilots), and one movie.

dont you feel that Zone was set up more like a pilot?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Technically generation one had 98 USA episodes. then over 100 japanese TF G-1 cartoon episodes from headmasters,masterforce,victory,that pilot scramble city episode. that pilot zone episode. and if one counts the 1986 movie broken up into 5 parts,then add another 5.

Those were all multiple series in Japan, not one show. What we got in America was one show and one movie. What Japan got was five separate shows, two OVAs (not pilots), and one movie.

dont you feel that Zone was set up more like a pilot?

No. I feel it was set up as an actual "episode 1" since more episodes were planned to following it before those plans were scrapped. A pilot is made first to see if more episodes will be made after it, rather than already having the intent of making more episodes from the get-go.

Take Animated episode 7, "Nanosec", for example. It was the pilot of Animated, made first, and then it was decided to go back and make the beginning proper episodes and more to follow it.

Or the first three episodes of G1. Those were made with the intent of being just those three episodes. When it was later decided to make it a full series, the ending to Part 3 was remade to have Megatron rising from the Victory instead of the Autobots and Spike returning to Cybertron in the Ark II.

With "Enter the New Supreme commander, Dai Atlas," it is pretty clear that more episodes were planned, but ultimately scrapped before things could come together.

Shadowman wrote:The problem is that while they did bring back Optimus, they brought him back at the end of the season. By then, it was far too late to reclaim viewer interest. Season 3 had a notorious drop in animation quality, and people are, to this day, still sore about Rodimus Prime replacing Optimus Prime, as well as the entire cast being changed up. All those flaws caused viewers to tune out, and that's the deciding factor.

Pretty much right here.

Tidalwavex wrote:IMHO,This wasn't the reason. IMHO,Season 3 never received lower viewership. IMHO,3 received higher viewership than seasons 1 & 2 combined.

Sorry bud but you are but one. The MASSES decided that the viewership declined during season 3 and "4.5".. I know down here in New Orleans mid season of season 3 the show went from afternoons to mornings due to declining ratings (my uncle worked for the station and recorded all the episodes for me.. The master tapes were unfortunately lost in Katrina.. ).
Opinions mean nothing next to actual facts like declining viewership numbers.. Sorry to burst your "me" bubble.

Sabrblade wrote:-No. I feel it was set up as an actual "episode 1" since more episodes were planned to following it before those plans were scrapped. A pilot is made first to see if more episodes will be made after it, rather than already having the intent of making more episodes from the get-go.

With "Enter the New Supreme commander, Dai Atlas," it is pretty clear that more episodes were planned, but ultimately scrapped before things could come together.

See, thats exactly why I feel it seemed more like a pilot.

they started it off with a "good bye" like scene for the old guard, introduced the audience to a boatload of new characters.And not only did they "finish" that story, but they also allowed for a "open ended" ending incase the show got picked up for more.

Or the first three episodes of G1. Those were made with the intent of being just those three episodes. When it was later decided to make it a full series, the ending to Part 3 was remade to have Megatron rising from the Victory instead of the Autobots and Spike returning to Cybertron in the Ark II.

thats not completely accurate.

The intended, wanted,hoped the show would be picked up as a regular series.They just didnt have any faith that it would, so they wrote in a solid ending in case the show didnt fly

I wish we had more episodes in season's one and two. Season three was total garbage IMO, and should be erased from history completely.

I always felt that there was/is a great opportunity for a partial reboot as far as G1 is concerned. The writers could simply revisit that twenty year time period from the end of season 2 in 85 and the beginning of the movie in 2005.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:See, thats exactly why I feel it seemed more like a pilot.

they started it off with a "good bye" like scene for the old guard, introduced the audience to a boatload of new characters.

They did that because it was crafted as being a direct sequel to Victory. They even play BGM from Victory near the beginning.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And not only did they "finish" that story, but they also allowed for a "open ended" ending incase the show got picked up for more.

They finished the episode's own plot, but not the series plot. They established Violen Jiger as the primary antagonist, yet ignored his threat throughout the rest of the episode. Had it been a pilot, there would have been a greater sense of finality to it that wouldn't have left it feel unfinished.

Plus, the episode was not the first piece of Zone fiction ever created, so it's definitely more like a one-off OVA like Scramble City than a pilot for coming cartoon series.

But, if there were really to be no other episodes ever planned to be produced, it was probably just made to be an adaptation of its manga chapter counterpart since it came three months after the Zone manga chapter was released, which makes it feel even more like an OVA special and less like an episode.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The intended, wanted,hoped the show would be picked up as a regular series.They just didnt have any faith that it would, so they wrote in a solid ending in case the show didnt fly

Source?

Sabrblade wrote:They did that because it was crafted as being a direct sequel to Victory. They even play BGM from Victory near the beginning.

again, to me that seemed like a layout for a spin off.

They finished the episode's own plot, but not the series plot.

Again, which seemed to me like it was designed as a pilot for a spin off series.

Had it been a pilot, there would have been a greater sense of finality to it that wouldn't have left it feel unfinished.

I'm sorry, but thats not how typical pilots unfold.Yes, thats how they presented MTMTE but most pilots are ended with the episodes plot being "ended" but leaving the series plot open, in hopes that interest sand demand in what happens next leads to the show being picked up.Much like they did with "the rebirth".

Source?

dude, its the basic reason that do a cartoon pilot.No less its the reason Hasbro went to Marvel.They had already had great success with the first GIJoe mini series,

They were already in production of the 2nd mini series, and were already in talks for a full season of episodes.

They were hoping for the same ewith the TF toon..

Shadowman wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Below is my mere fan opinion,i state nothing as fact.

This isn't a matter of opinion, since we can actually prove what happened here. And everything you just said isn't what happened here. It was a combination of declining viewership and Hasbro pulling support. There may have been a strike at the time, but I haven't been able to find any substantial information on it.

There was a strike at the time (well, in 1987), but I don't think it was the cause of the cancellation. Declining viewers was always my take on it.

(The strike is mentioned here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Wally_Burr)

MightyMagnus78 wrote:I wish we had more episodes in season's one and two. Season three was total garbage IMO, and should be erased from history completely.

Says the guy with Ultra Magnus in his avatar, signature and username.

The strike took place in early to mid 1987

All the season 3 episodes were produced and finished in mid 86.The strike couldnt have effected production very much

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The strike took place in early to mid 1987

All the season 3 episodes were produced and finished in mid 86.The strike couldnt have effected production very much

I was only pointing out that the strike did occur and that some of the earlier statements (relating TF voice actors/directors and the strike) had some accuracy.

You are correct, I don't think it had anything to do with the cancellation of TF.

F Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The strike took place in early to mid 1987

All the season 3 episodes were produced and finished in mid 86.The strike couldnt have effected production very much

I was only pointing out that the strike did occur and that some of the earlier statements (relating TF voice actors/directors and the strike) had some accuracy.

You are correct, I don't think it had anything to do with the cancellation of TF.

Which is why, when I searched for "1986 voice actors strike," I came up with little to nothing.

Shadowman wrote:

F Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The strike took place in early to mid 1987

All the season 3 episodes were produced and finished in mid 86.The strike couldnt have effected production very much

I was only pointing out that the strike did occur and that some of the earlier statements (relating TF voice actors/directors and the strike) had some accuracy.

You are correct, I don't think it had anything to do with the cancellation of TF.

Which is why, when I searched for "1986 voice actors strike," I came up with little to nothing.

Well, that would explain that. Sounds like some crossed information regarding TFs, the actor's strike, and the impact of the strike on the show. I misunderstood your earlier post saying you found no information and took it to mean regarding the strike in general.

I was just trying to point out a time table.

F Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

F Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The strike took place in early to mid 1987

All the season 3 episodes were produced and finished in mid 86.The strike couldnt have effected production very much

I was only pointing out that the strike did occur and that some of the earlier statements (relating TF voice actors/directors and the strike) had some accuracy.

You are correct, I don't think it had anything to do with the cancellation of TF.

Which is why, when I searched for "1986 voice actors strike," I came up with little to nothing.

Well, that would explain that. Sounds like some crossed information regarding TFs, the actor's strike, and the impact of the strike on the show. I misunderstood your earlier post saying you found no information and took it to mean regarding the strike in general.

I didn't know there was a strike in '87. When he mentioned a voice actors strike effecting Season 3, I assumed he meant a strike that would have taken place during production, in '86.

Now we know, and knowing is half the battle.

F Prime wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

F Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:The strike took place in early to mid 1987

All the season 3 episodes were produced and finished in mid 86.The strike couldnt have effected production very much

I was only pointing out that the strike did occur and that some of the earlier statements (relating TF voice actors/directors and the strike) had some accuracy.

You are correct, I don't think it had anything to do with the cancellation of TF.

Which is why, when I searched for "1986 voice actors strike," I came up with little to nothing.

Well, that would explain that. Sounds like some crossed information regarding TFs, the actor's strike, and the impact of the strike on the show. I misunderstood your earlier post saying you found no information and took it to mean regarding the strike in general.

11-Did any even bother to speculate the following: perhaps hasbro took too many Hiatus breaks after one season ended & before another season started. this right here could have caused loss of interest,lower ratting & the shows eventual cancellation. as most kids aren't willing to sit thru 6 month or a year+of older re-run episodes until newer episodes start to air. in 1984 after season one ended on december 29,1984. their was a 10 month hiatus break & re-runs aired for 10b whole months. in september 23,1985 season 2 began & ended in december 27,1985. then a hiatus break of re-runs for another 10 months happened. in september 15,1986 thru november 20,1986 we got newer episodes. then 6 months later in march we got season 3.5 2 episodes of RTOOP parts 1 & 2. then another 6 months later in november 9,1987 we got 3 rebirth episodes.

11a-So as anyone can clearly see/read,all these extremly long 10 month hiatus breaks after one season ended & another one began. led to loss of interest in the show. as most kids like watching newer episodes more than watching re-runs. studies have shown that newer episodes always get higher viewship rattings than re-runs.

11b-season 3 in 1986 got the changed/different 7:30 am week days times slot. thanks to 10 whole months of re-runs of seasons 1 & 2 in 1986 before season 3 started on september 15,1986. Season 3 in 1986 didn't get the 7:30 am time slot because it got lower viership rattings,the changed time slot was because of the 10 months of re-runs in 1986 before season 3 started in 1986.

Just a little recap of what I said earlier in this thread.

1- Their was a actors voice overs strike in the 1980's.

2- TF G-1 season 3 couldn't have under-performed in viewership rattings BECAUSE THEY DID A SEASON 4 IN 1987. Usually failed things get cancelled & not re-newed for another season.

3-clearly something happened in 1987 & with season 4 that led to the eventual cancellation of the TF G-1 usa cartoon series.

4- As noted in this very reply by others that I quoted. the voice over actors strike was around 1987 & lasted a long time.
this strike effected hasbro from creating anymore season 4 episodes in 1987 & some months in 1988.

5-wally burr was singled out by the captains of the voice over actors strike committee. since most transformers voice over actors dis-liked wally burr,they weren't going to sneak in under the table & secretly do their voice over actors jobs without the strike committe knowing about it.

6-their is clearly proof right here,the voice overs actors strike happened & existed in the late 1980's.

7- I see zero proof that their were significally lower ratting for TF G-1 season 3 compared to season 1 & 2.

8- the 7:30 am on weekdays time slot isn't that bad. because most kids are getting dressed for school & eat breakfast & watch cartoons 7:30 in the morning. not every state in america starts school at 8:00 am. my nieces start their public school at 8:30 am. the 3:30 pm time slot is decent but not every kid gets home in time to see 3:30 pm cartoon especially if your school day ends at 3:00 pm & you take the bus. or if your school is a few miles away & you walk or get driven by car by your mom.

9- since no one has any access to those 1986 data viewrship rattings,everyone is clueless how well or badly the 1986 7:30 am time slot was weekdays compared to the 3:30 pm week days time slot. SORRY,all this speculation & guesses doesn't impress me & I don't trust any of it.

10-I loved TF G-1 season 3 the best. because the episodes & characters had a edgy feel to it. rodimus prime received a 3-d persona. the starscream episodes were cool because they were dark & nightmarish. the episodes unicron were in were the best. seeing a funny joking grimlock was pure awesome.

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Tidalwavex wrote:Just a little recap of what I said earlier in this thread.

more like a little re-write

1- Their was a actors voice overs strike in the 1980's.

which seems to not have effected production of season 3

2- TF G-1 season 3 couldn't have under-performed in viewership rattings BECAUSE THEY DID A SEASON 4 IN 1987. Usually failed things get cancelled & not re-newed for another season.

thats your opinion, not a fact.

Fact- season 3 did indeed under-performed in viewership rattings compared to season 1 and 2.The proof of that is the time slot change in many markets and the fact that the show was officially canceled before the season finished airing.

And as I pointed out, "the rebirth" was not intended as a 4th season, but as a pilot for a spin off.And theres also the fact that Hasbro pulled funding for the Rebirth.

It was originally planned as a five pasrter, but they pulled support so it was cut back to a 3 parter.

3-clearly something happened in 1987 & with season 4 that led to the eventual cancellation of the TF G-1 usa cartoon series.

the show was already canceled in some markets before season 3 finished airing

4- As noted in this very reply by others that I quoted. the voice over actors strike was around 1987 & lasted a long time.

which had no effect on this show since it was the 32rd season that got it canceled

this strike effected hasbro from creating anymore season 4 episodes in 1987 & some months in 1988.

wrong.

no more episodes were payed for, thats what prevented Hasbro, nothing else.

6-their is clearly proof right here,the voice overs actors strike happened & existed in the late 1980's.

and said proof also proves that it didnt have an effect on this series.

7- I see zero proof that their were significally lower ratting for TF G-1 season 3 compared to season 1 & 2.

the time slot change [in many markets] is proof positive that the networks felt viewrship had dropped

8- the 7:30 am on weekdays time slot isn't that bad.

its certainly a dramatic change.You say most kids are getting dressed for school at that time, I and most kids I knew were already outside waiting for busses near that time.ZOr in a rush to get moving.

Not to mention that my mom would always watch the morning news, or news radio to hear the days wether.

the early morning timeslots were typical a slot that WPIX used for older or dieing shows.

SORRY,all this speculation & guesses doesn't impress me & I don't trust any of it.

and sorry, your baseless conclusion failed to impress as well.

Theres one thing that I think most fans today seem to over look.

As much as we may have loved the 86 film, the movie was a critical and commercial disaster at its time.It made very little money at the time.Many movie houses wouldnt even show the film, those thsat did only did sdo at limited times.And some parents refused to take their kids to see a film of characters seen daily on tv.

Much of the fanbase didnt see the film when it was released and that hurt the franchise in a big way.It lead the tv executive to believe popularity was slipping, and it didnt help that they got a lot of "hate mail" and parent complaints about the deaths in the film.

And while the film helped redefine what the Transformers franchise would eventually become, the emediate changes also hurt the franchise.Transformers The Movie had raised the stakes in cartoon storytelling, but the cartoon series, itself, was not prepared to live up to them.Season 3 picked up precisely where the film left off. It became much more sci-fi driven which seems to have marked the end for a lot of Transformers fans.

Season 3 was not as well animated as the other two, althou they did try to maintain and build upon a consistent history and universe, but the stories were weak compared to that of the movie, and the new characters simply couldn’t compare to the now legendary personas from the first two seasons. Not to mention the attempt to make Rodimus more appealing by making him conflicted about his role and position failed to stick and made him seem a bit bi-polar or whiey.Sure, some fans grew to love the new characters, but many gave up on the show.

Just search around this site, or the others for topics about season 3 and you'll find much of the fasnbase admits to hating the changes the film brought about at first.Hating Rodimus or the death of Optimus so much that they stopped watching for a while.

An other major change was that the vehicles that the Transformers toys turned into became more futuristic in design, instead of the present-day designs of their early incarnations.The toy line had jumped to the future like the film/series,and in some fan's minds, this marked the beginning of the end of their initial popularity.Kids liked the idea that any car driving down the road could secretly become an awesome robot and, by moving everything to the future, that novelty disappeared.

Added to this was the problem that the new Transformers toys were of an entirely lower quality than the originals. While the majority of the original Transformers toys were often made of die cast metal and/or high quality plastic and transformed into realistic looking objects and vehicles, the new toys were all made of a far cheaper plastic with little to no metal and looked like poorly drawn “future vehicles”.

And all of this was noted by the tv and Hasbro executives.Instead of trying to fix things they started looking for the next fad to profit off ove.Some networks moved the show to earlier timeslots, with no public notice.Some fans thought the show was canceled.Other networks pulled their support, not ordering new episodes or outright canceling and not airing the reset of season 3.It got to the point that Hasbro felt it wasnt worth make a cartoon any longer.

"The Rebirth" was green lit as an attempt to "resurrect the cartoon.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tidalwavex wrote:Just a little recap of what I said earlier in this thread.

more like a little re-write

1- Their was a actors voice overs strike in the 1980's.

which seems to not have effected production of season 3

2- TF G-1 season 3 couldn't have under-performed in viewership rattings BECAUSE THEY DID A SEASON 4 IN 1987. Usually failed things get cancelled & not re-newed for another season.

thats your opinion, not a fact.

Fact- season 3 did indeed under-performed in viewership rattings compared to season 1 and 2.The proof of that is the time slot change in many markets and the fact that the show was officially canceled before the season finished airing.

And as I pointed out, "the rebirth" was not intended as a 4th season, but as a pilot for a spin off.And theres also the fact that Hasbro pulled funding for the Rebirth.

It was originally planned as a five pasrter, but they pulled support so it was cut back to a 3 parter.

3-clearly something happened in 1987 & with season 4 that led to the eventual cancellation of the TF G-1 usa cartoon series.

the show was already canceled in some markets before season 3 finished airing

4- As noted in this very reply by others that I quoted. the voice over actors strike was around 1987 & lasted a long time.

which had no effect on this show since it was the 32rd season that got it canceled

this strike effected hasbro from creating anymore season 4 episodes in 1987 & some months in 1988.

wrong.

no more episodes were payed for, thats what prevented Hasbro, nothing else.

6-their is clearly proof right here,the voice overs actors strike happened & existed in the late 1980's.

and said proof also proves that it didnt have an effect on this series.

7- I see zero proof that their were significally lower ratting for TF G-1 season 3 compared to season 1 & 2.

the time slot change [in many markets] is proof positive that the networks felt viewrship had dropped

8- the 7:30 am on weekdays time slot isn't that bad.

its certainly a dramatic change.You say most kids are getting dressed for school at that time, I and most kids I knew were already outside waiting for busses near that time.ZOr in a rush to get moving.

Not to mention that my mom would always watch the morning news, or news radio to hear the days wether.

the early morning timeslots were typical a slot that WPIX used for older or dieing shows.

SORRY,all this speculation & guesses doesn't impress me & I don't trust any of it.

and sorry, your baseless conclusion failed to impress as well.

from january 1986 thru september 1986 their was re-runs of seasons 1 & 2 that caused season 3 to air it's first & other episodes at 7:30 am week days from september 15,1986 thru november 20,1986.

If anything caused the eventual cancellation of the transformers 1980's cartoon it was the extremly long hiatus breaks & re-runs after one season ended & another season began 10+months later.

strikes always delay things. so theirs no doubt in my mind the 1980's actors strike had a impact on hasbro's 1980's cartoons.

i've clearly got all my evidence in this thread. 1- a voice overs actors strike happened. strikes are proven to cause delays. 2- extremly long hiatus breaks & showing re-runs for 10+ months after a season ened & another season started up is a sure fire way to lose your viewers & lose interest. newer episodes get the highest viewership rattings,re-runs get less viewership rattings.

thus far no one has provided any proof that cartoons that air at 7:30 am get less viewers than cartoons that air at 3:30 pm week days.

currently right now the cartoon network is airing it's flag ship/most popular & higly rated,highly viewed cartoons on the 7:00 am,7:30 am.8:00 am & 8:30 am week days time slots like as follows: bakugan at 7:00 am,beyblade at 7:30 am & pokemon at 8:00 am.

Just for the record,these days hardly any cable network airs their flag ship,most popular highly viewed newer/older cartoons at the 3:00pm,3:30,4:00pm time slots. most of these cable networks air their highly viewed,most popular,flag ship cartoons on in the early mornings or on in prime time hours at 7:00pm,7:30pm,8:00pm,8:30 pm weekdays. DON'T BELIEVE ME,Just grab your cable remote & scroll thru various cable networks that air kid related cartoons meant for kids.

BTW,fOR what what it's worth,Hasbro labels their Transformers toys from the years 1984 thru 2011,for ages 5 & up. Everyone here claims the bulk 95% of the transformers toy sales from toddlers. So PERHAPS TODDLERS WHO ARE NOT ENROLLED IN SCHOOL YET WERE ALL WATCHING THE 1986 TF G-1 season 3 cartoon series at 7:30 am. Who's to say these toddlers created higher viewerships rattings than the previous 3:30 pm weekdays time slot.