The Energon Pub

Would you be up,for a animated 1986 TF movie REDONE IN CGI?

Keep the story,keep the voice actors sound track+music. REPLACE THE
CEL DRAWN ANIMATED WITH CGI.

Post your thoughts on this.

I must say, that sounds AMAZING!

I prefer to keep the old cel-shaded look.

No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

CG sucks. 2D animation is better.

Sabrblade wrote:No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

This makes me long for the return of hand drawn cartoons.

CG get old after a while.

It is a cool idea though and I'm sure if the tech was there in the 80's they would have done it.

that teaser of the prime, megs fight they did a few years ago was nice, but as said as much as the idea sounds mint, im not sre it would keep the magic the same

Nah, I am happy with what we have.

Sabrblade wrote:No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

I am a fan of BW and how well they worked on their CGI. However, I agree with this excellently written post. Reworking the 1986 movie for it to be in CGI would look good, but it would be like Picasso painting his version of the Mona Lisa.

Predaprince wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

I am a fan of BW and how well they worked on their CGI. However, I agree with this excellently written post. Reworking the 1986 movie for it to be in CGI would look good, but it would be like Picasso painting his version of the Mona Lisa.

Honestly, I'm actually a fan of the outdated, unrealistic, "video game-esque" CGI that Beast Wars/Machines (and ReBoot, War Planets/Shadow Raiders, Voltron 3D, Ace Lightning, the earlier Pixar films, etc.) used. When I watch something with that kind of dated CG look, I get all nostalgic for back when I used to watch such shows as a kid; back when CGI was still in its infancy. But while shows like Prime, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Hot Wheels, etc. all have a more sophisticated CGI look, they just don't have that spark of innocence that the older shows had. These newer shows that use the up-to-date CGI look seem as though they're trying to be as realistic as possible, while those that used the more outdated CGI seemed more like that were just trying to entertain as best they could given the restrictions of technology of the the time. There's a certain charm to the more primitive CGI look that the current, better-looking CGI just doesn't seem to capture anymore.

Though, in the case of hand-drawn cel-shaded animation, the one used by Toei in the classic 1986 movie trumps both.

Predaprince wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

I am a fan of BW and how well they worked on their CGI. However, I agree with this excellently written post. Reworking the 1986 movie for it to be in CGI would look good, but it would be like Picasso painting his version of the Mona Lisa.

I was actually toy-ing around with the idea of as follows: (1) How about giving some/most of the robots different designs while doing the CGI Process.

Examples: Giving megatron & optimus their masterpiece toy designs.
Giving Galvatron the energon leader sized toy designs.

deathy wrote:I was actually toy-ing around with the idea of as follows: (1) How about giving some/most of the robots different designs while doing the CGI Process.

Examples: Giving megatron & optimus their masterpiece toy designs.
Giving Galvatron the energon leader sized toy designs.

No. Keep the classic animation models. MP Megatron looks flimsy and weak. And making Galvatron look like his Energon toy would no longer make him G1 Megatron.

Sabrblade wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

I am a fan of BW and how well they worked on their CGI. However, I agree with this excellently written post. Reworking the 1986 movie for it to be in CGI would look good, but it would be like Picasso painting his version of the Mona Lisa.

Honestly, I'm actually a fan of the outdated, unrealistic, "video game-esque" CGI that Beast Wars/Machines (and ReBoot, War Planets/Shadow Raiders, Voltron 3D, Ace Lightning, the earlier Pixar films, etc.) used. When I watch something with that kind of dated CG look, I get all nostalgic for back when I used to watch such shows as a kid; back when CGI was still in its infancy. But while shows like Prime, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Hot Wheels, etc. all have a more sophisticated CGI look, they just don't have that spark of innocence that the older shows had. These newer shows that use the up-to-date CGI look seem as though they're trying to be as realistic as possible, while those that used the more outdated CGI seemed more like that were just trying to entertain as best they could given the restrictions of technology of the the time. There's a certain charm to the more primitive CGI look that the current, better-looking CGI just doesn't seem to capture anymore.

Though, in the case of hand-drawn cel-shaded animation, the one used by Toei in the classic 1986 movie trumps both.

Man, i used to LUUUUUURRRRRRRRRVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE ReBoot. I was so peeved when they cut the series right near the end

Pottermus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

I am a fan of BW and how well they worked on their CGI. However, I agree with this excellently written post. Reworking the 1986 movie for it to be in CGI would look good, but it would be like Picasso painting his version of the Mona Lisa.

Honestly, I'm actually a fan of the outdated, unrealistic, "video game-esque" CGI that Beast Wars/Machines (and ReBoot, War Planets/Shadow Raiders, Voltron 3D, Ace Lightning, the earlier Pixar films, etc.) used. When I watch something with that kind of dated CG look, I get all nostalgic for back when I used to watch such shows as a kid; back when CGI was still in its infancy. But while shows like Prime, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Hot Wheels, etc. all have a more sophisticated CGI look, they just don't have that spark of innocence that the older shows had. These newer shows that use the up-to-date CGI look seem as though they're trying to be as realistic as possible, while those that used the more outdated CGI seemed more like that were just trying to entertain as best they could given the restrictions of technology of the the time. There's a certain charm to the more primitive CGI look that the current, better-looking CGI just doesn't seem to capture anymore.

Though, in the case of hand-drawn cel-shaded animation, the one used by Toei in the classic 1986 movie trumps both.

Man, i used to LUUUUUURRRRRRRRRVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE ReBoot. I was so peeved when they cut the series right near the end

I hated it. Because of my dislike for Reboot, I refused BW. Then I watched it once and couldn't stop.

Oh, uh, I like the '86 look too.

RhA wrote:

Pottermus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Predaprince wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:No. The classic hand-drawn 1986 Toei animation is just gorgeous as is. Replacing it with computer-generated imagery would remove its elegance and majesty, as CGI isn't capable of capturing the magic and beauty of certain aspects of animation that only hand-drawn cel-shading can fully capture.

I am a fan of BW and how well they worked on their CGI. However, I agree with this excellently written post. Reworking the 1986 movie for it to be in CGI would look good, but it would be like Picasso painting his version of the Mona Lisa.

Honestly, I'm actually a fan of the outdated, unrealistic, "video game-esque" CGI that Beast Wars/Machines (and ReBoot, War Planets/Shadow Raiders, Voltron 3D, Ace Lightning, the earlier Pixar films, etc.) used. When I watch something with that kind of dated CG look, I get all nostalgic for back when I used to watch such shows as a kid; back when CGI was still in its infancy. But while shows like Prime, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Hot Wheels, etc. all have a more sophisticated CGI look, they just don't have that spark of innocence that the older shows had. These newer shows that use the up-to-date CGI look seem as though they're trying to be as realistic as possible, while those that used the more outdated CGI seemed more like that were just trying to entertain as best they could given the restrictions of technology of the the time. There's a certain charm to the more primitive CGI look that the current, better-looking CGI just doesn't seem to capture anymore.

Though, in the case of hand-drawn cel-shaded animation, the one used by Toei in the classic 1986 movie trumps both.

Man, i used to LUUUUUURRRRRRRRRVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE ReBoot. I was so peeved when they cut the series right near the end

I hated it. Because of my dislike for Reboot, I refused BW. Then I watched it once and couldn't stop.

Oh, uh, I like the '86 look too.

I was only a kid when BW was on tv, and it was on at a time of the day when i wasnt allowed to watch TV so i never got to watch it. Silly as it sounds, ive never even looked for it on DVD. I dont even know if its out in the UK, and i aint got a clue what its about bar the very small basics

I would be more up for someone combing through the '86 movie and fixing ALL the animation mistakes.

Time consuming, but surely not too difficult from a technical perspective?

Cyber Bishop wrote:Nah, I am happy with what we have.

Agh + Read = Agreed

Pretender Skywarp wrote:I would be more up for someone combing through the '86 movie and fixing ALL the animation mistakes.

Time consuming, but surely not too difficult from a technical perspective?

I'd rather see them direct their energy of fixingness toward S3.

Something like this?

adamassc wrote:

Pretender Skywarp wrote:I would be more up for someone combing through the '86 movie and fixing ALL the animation mistakes.

Time consuming, but surely not too difficult from a technical perspective?

I'd rather see them direct their energy of fixingness toward S3.

While I was watching the 1986 animated movie on DVD a few days ago. I noticed that the brand new characters in the movie had top notch animation. while the older seasons 1 thru 2 characters in the movie had cheaper/awful animation in the 1986 movie. examples: the shuttle scene where the decepticons break thru & kill the autobots. the constructicons looked awful in animation.

I think maybe/perhaps the new movie characters used better/higher animation quality. while the season 1 & 2 characters in the 1986 movie might have used either recycled cartoon series animation or inferior amatueur animation.

El Duque wrote:Something like this?

That gives me an idea...
A live action TFTM!

El Duque wrote:Something like this?

Do not want.

Classic hand-drawn Toei animation > Bayformers G1.

I think it would be cool to see the original animated movie either as CGI or as live-actions. I'd be good w/ seeing the events in it done w/ Bayformers in the live-action.

El Duque wrote:Something like this?

That CGI does have a nice feel to it, but it just hurts the originality and nostalgia of the cel shaded cartoon.

I disagree, that CGI scene was amazing! Plus, I guess whoever made it had a similar opinion to me, that is Megatron using his own giant gun instead of that dumb random pistol.

Anyways, whether the 86 movie were in CGI, or like...in CGI Movie style, I'd watch either, after seeing that scene.