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Well actually I already ask when I read a grafic magazin and I read for the first time that the normal DVD got already a newcomer, even that the DVD is almsot good enough for the moment because not all consumer can get a HDTV that easerly even if they are much sheaper that for 2 years ago. And then if they got a HDTV the most consumer has HDTV Ready because they are bad informed or are ripped off by Shop like HiFi, well I got my HDTV in a PC store I was from the first PC customer there and it's confuse me it's suppose to be a FULL HD because the full resolution but then again there is a sticker HDTV ready, well if it's Ready or FULL HD I don't care anymore I got a great 16:9 42" screen with a good picture quality.
But let's us return to the maintheme I also wonder why they bring out two different format ? That's just dump like the age of Betamax and VHS, well I going up with the Betamax and I liked the screenquality but the problem was there wasn't Movies avaible for this format at least not in Europe. And I always liked to go to my grandmother because they got the only VHS.
Now I asking my selves why they do it again, it's just annoying so the customer must buy both platform to be calm.
Well that what I will do.
But the Blu-ray are for student at the moment untouchable like me, because when I saw the prices by any amazon internet store, I just falling down from my chair.
Good the PS3 is at the moment the most cheapest Blu-ray player but why buy a console just for looking blu-ray disc and then again when we look back when the PS comes out with the most cheapest DVD player, the quality of this player was just cheap.
But what I can do already buy the movies on blu-ray,and wait until the player are cheaper, and even then I just buy CG movies or with CG in it like Transformers if Paramount change his mind.
Because as I said a DVD is good enough at the moment. And why looking an 20 or older year old movie on HD, I think is freaky shocking.
Well that my oppinion on this, and I hope that there are more user in here who like discuss on this theme.

Me, I don't care.

I like my normal Dvd's.

Sony and proprietary formats = failure

Sorry, but it's true.

From what I understand, BluRay is a better overall format. Then again, Beta was superior to VHS (not that this hasn't been pointed out a million times already) and what won out?

Counterpunch wrote:Sony and proprietary formats = failure

Sorry, but it's true.

From what I understand, BluRay is a better overall format. Then again, Beta was superior to VHS (not that this hasn't been pointed out a million times already) and what won out?

That's true, I saw the recording quality from a Betamax was far superior but Ithink VHS hasn't really won the battle in this years because the porn industry the hole fact was that VHS has also all movie industry on their side.

@Sigma Prime
Yeah, for normal movies without CG is really not to waste mor money to get it on HD.

My personal opinion, neither will win. Give it a few years and someone will overtake them both with digital downloading media. Imagine something non-copyable, that isn't physical that you don't nee dot go to the store for, brought to us in HD that will never sratch nor lose it's visual quality with time.

Blu-Ray is looking better.

Counterpunch wrote:Sony and proprietary formats = failure

Sorry, but it's true.

From what I understand, BluRay is a better overall format. Then again, Beta was superior to VHS (not that this hasn't been pointed out a million times already) and what won out?

Indeed. BluRay is the better format in terms of capacity, scratch resistance and max transfer rate (80Mbits/sec compared with 50 for HD-DVD).

HD-DVD at the moment has a much better feature set though as BluRay can't do picture in picture(e.g Matrix and 300 on HD-DVD have PiP features but the BluRay version of 300 doen't). The best films for both formats will be those that are exclusive though as on HD-DVD they will use the extra features that BluRay can't to give the consumer more extras(PiP comentary, PiP green screen/storyboard/animatic comparison). And for BluRay the extra bandwidth is used to increase the quality of the transfer(so far only used for PCM audio which is stupid as they both use the same lossless audio compression codecs).

From a consumer stand point HD-DVD is the better format, the films are cheaper due to the fact that manufacturing the discs is cheaper and a new replication plant isn't required unlike BluRay, region free and have less copyright protection to mess with your machine if and when the film companies turn on ICT(image constraint token, prevents output above 480p/576p if not using a DVI or HDMI output and can turn off HD output on your player perminantly if you spoof it).

In Short.

HD-DVD
17GB per layer
Region Free
Only uses avs and h264 codec
Supports DD+ 7.1 and DTS 7.1
Rewritable media unavailable
50Mbit/sec max transfer rate
Cheaper to manufacture
Can also contain dvd side
Can do PiP presentations
Format finalised
ICT can be turned on
Less copy protection

BD-ROM
25GB per layer
Split into 3 regions
Early BD-ROMs used Mpeg2
Also supports PCM
Rewritable media available
80Mbit/sec max transfer rate
Scratch resistant coating due to data layer being on surface
Uses Java for crap minigames
PiP to come
Standard still changing
ICT can be turned on
Extra layer of copy protection over HD-DVDs

I think thats everything.
The main benefit of HD-DVD imo is the removal of region protected content which is why its the main format I am going to be purchasing(ahem importing cheaply from America) is HD-DVD.

Before anyone says I am biased towards HD-DVD your right as I think it is the better format, I do also have films for BluRay which I watch on my brothers PS3 but if a film is coming out on both formats I will always choose the HD-DVD version unless there is a really good extra on BluRay that isn't on the HD-DVD version.

Current library

Mission Impossible Trilogy
Matrix Trilogy
King Kong
300

Talladaga Nights
PotC: Curse of the Black Pearl
PotC: Dead Mans Chest