The Energon Pub

News Credits: 23 · by **ZenPrime** » Wed May 05, 2010 11:42 am

so these are akin to Energon Optimus Prime super mode?

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Wed May 05, 2010 11:55 am

I honestly don't get what some of you are getting upset by.

This concept isn't even new to Transformers as it has the same concept (as pointed out above by zenprime) as Energon Optimus Prime. And from what we have seen so far, they won't have any real effect on fiction as this is something Hasbro is releasing outside of the movie line (so they aren't about to show in the third movie) or upcoming shows (just as they placed War for Cybertron under the classics line extension) These are effectively an extra line, with a nifty play gimmick.

Yes we all would likely prefer proper gestalts (even thou Fans Projects has outdone themselves, and made has/tak look like chumps) But PCC are what they are, buy either the commander pack with a bot and 4 drones, of a single pack with a mini-con, mix, match, and have fun.

Liftgate wrote:It also says that "commanders are also often given control of a specially constructed team of drone vehicles", which is kinda ambiguous and leaves the door open to what I suggested. It says *often* given control, so what are they using when they arn't?

The answer is a simple as looking at what is being released in the line. When they don't have have a drone team, they are like Chopster and are packed with a Mini-con instead, there are only so many drone units to go around. Hence PCC capable bots are only "OFTEN" given control of teams.

News Credits: 23 · by **Prime Evil** » Wed May 05, 2010 11:59 am

Liftgate wrote:Prime Evil,

the fiction you're referring to is only a couple paragraphs long and says very little. It also says that "commanders are also often given control of a specially constructed team of drone vehicles", which is kinda ambiguous and leaves the door open to what I suggested. It says *often* given control, so what are they using when they arn't? This is just a thought, there is nothing to back up, or completely dismiss the idea yet.

So far the way I'm interpreting this, is that they have created these drones, not saying for a specific bot or con, and these drones are created for the purpose of being PCC. But I think they can of course mix and match limbs like the Scramble city episodes. And I don't really know if they are considered transformers as well since they don't have a personality of their own from the read, and I guess moreso that they were partially created with the help of humans.

But you're right though, nothing is solid in this toyline. I guess prior to Tuesday, Rumble and Frenzy weren't minicons to me.

News Credits: 1082 · by **Tigertrack** » Wed May 05, 2010 12:00 pm

Overcracker wrote:Reminds me of Puzzler for some reason.

Looks fairly interesting. The Drone angle is not too bad.

Minus the middle age belly, or endowment of course, but yes, it does.

But they had robot modes too...

I know, I know, drones...drones.

News Credits: 17 · by **cannonfodder4000** » Wed May 05, 2010 1:23 pm

i think i'll get the rallybots

doubleclutch is just too cool and chubby to pass up! :lol:

by **ang3l3s** » Wed May 05, 2010 1:28 pm

They take away the robot and can't add on decent hands!!! JM2CENTS

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Wed May 05, 2010 1:40 pm

honestly, I think these look slaggin' terrible.

The mini vehicles look pretty good as vehicles, but that's not really hard to do. The Desctructicons (cool name at least) remind me of Ork vehicles from Warhammer 40,000, or, I suppose, evil Junkions. Either way, a nice idea. If Mudslinger had a colour scheme more like his drones, I might like that better, it's that which primarily puts me off that set. Doubleclutch I'm not a fan of in either solo robot or combined robot mode.

I do like the look of Smoulder and what I can remember of the other 2 pack PCCs, but that's possibly because I feel it's more play value for the money with the various transformations the Mini-con blokes have. I could see me getting a few of them.

As has been said in this thread by others and by me a long time ago, combiners really should be a lot better now, yet even removing the individual robot modes from the smaller bots hasn't resulted in anything close to resembling something as good as some of the various 3rd parties have been doing with nothing more than add-ons to existing toys.

News Credits: 34 · by **Supreme Convoy** » Wed May 05, 2010 2:11 pm

The individual vehicle/robot modes are cool looking. Doulbeclutch combined looks great.

Mudslinger, not so much.

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Wed May 05, 2010 2:49 pm

Can't wait to add these to my collection :lol:

I also saved some spots for the Aerialbots and the Combaticons. If only Doubleclutch was a Decepticon, then thy would make pretty good Menasor guys... Man, what are they called... I forgot :lol:

by **Joetx** » Wed May 05, 2010 3:57 pm

tigertracks 24 wrote:It might just be me, but Double Clutch looks Omnibot inspired. Like he has aspects of all three to a degree.

Agreed, although he looks more like the grey RX-7 (Camshaft?) to me.

by **Joetx** » Wed May 05, 2010 4:06 pm

ZenPrime wrote:so these are akin to Energon Optimus Prime super mode?

Sure seems like it. I hated those numbered limbs. My TFE OP is combined w/ Wing Saber in super mode.

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Re: the limbs being mere drones, if I remember the Energon cartoon correctly, weren't the limbs of the TFE gestalts w/o personalities, despite having names & having robot modes?

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Wed May 05, 2010 4:16 pm

txex97 wrote:
ZenPrime wrote:so these are akin to Energon Optimus Prime super mode?

Sure seems like it. I hated those numbered limbs. My TFE OP is combined w/ Wing Saber in super mode.

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Re: the limbs being mere drones, if I remember the Energon cartoon correctly, weren't the limbs of the TFE gestalts w/o personalities, despite having names & having robot modes?

The Energon Combiner limbs never transformed in the cartoon either.

News Credits: 1 · by **adamassc** » Wed May 05, 2010 4:24 pm

Perfect.

I like the Rallybot drones, but less so Doubleclutch. This is great since I planned on replacing him with Huffer and painting them like the Stunticons.

Website · by **Leviathan** » Wed May 05, 2010 4:43 pm

I hope to see a Menasor PCC someday

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Wed May 05, 2010 5:33 pm

ang3l3s wrote:They take away the robot and can't add on decent hands!!! JM2CENTS

My thoughts exactly, if they were going to ditch individual robots they should have made the combined mode awesome. It looks like they didn't even get the articulation right.

by **ReenCity** » Wed May 05, 2010 5:58 pm

the rallybots combination head has like a g1 jazz vibe anyone agree. and the destructicons look like sh** :BOOM:

so you get me

by **ShinkenPrime** » Wed May 05, 2010 6:04 pm

After non transforming robots that fit inside human shells, an Optimus Prime that combines with non thinking/non transforming vehicles, a beast machine dragon that turns not into a robot, but another animal and lord knows how many other crazy ideas that don't really involve "transforming" we have people saying it now? It's not even the first time they used drones as limbs.

If you don't like the look, that's one thing. But let's be honest...saying it's gone too far just because the car only change into robotic limbs instead of robots as well...that's just silly.

Hell, at least they wrote the reason why into the story this time, compared to the whole Devestator fiasco.

But to me, the Transformers line has become so insane over the years that I look at it as a simple "Do I like the toy?" over a "Does this even make sense?" Cause if I did that, I'd probably have tasted the sweet tang of a metallic bullet by now.

News Credits: 6 · by **Dr. Caelus** » Wed May 05, 2010 6:48 pm

Liftgate wrote:What if these drones arn't actually transformers at all, but rather regular vehicles that the core robot can somehow attach to their body? I don't know, via a special Allspark touch or something? We've already seen the Allspark give life to earth technology, and the blue blocks on the combiner cores do look allspark-ish, so...

I was actually thinking that would have been a neat explanation - it seems like there was an Armada comic where some minicons did something like that - essentially used technopathic abilities to transform a human car engine into a cannon.

News Credits: 1452 · by **Blurrz** » Wed May 05, 2010 7:48 pm

I love these so much. The Rallybots look very nice.

News Credits: 7 · by **Geekee1** » Wed May 05, 2010 9:16 pm

Overcracker wrote:Reminds me of Puzzler for some reason.

Looks fairly interesting. The Drone angle is not too bad.

That's exactly what I was thinking! And because of that I may end up buying it. I think the idea behind the PCC's is great, but the execution is quite lacking, but I may make an exception for this one.

by **DreadwindsGhost** » Thu May 06, 2010 8:16 am

Doubleclutch really does remind me of Puzzler.

This is a good thing.

by **atomic1fire** » Thu May 06, 2010 11:04 pm

I think the drone thing makes sense, I mean What's better then Weapons In Disguise, you have lots of people around, and you don't really want the fact that you are hiding a giant limb (probably with guns too) somewhere too obvious, so you hide it as another vehicle. it also gives them power in numbers, and if the drones can be controlled remotely by them, they can call for help, divert attention, ect, without risking the life of another transformer, because its just a drone.

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Thu May 06, 2010 11:28 pm

Puzzler would be a great character to "cross-over" and this set would have been great to do that with.

It's weird, I'm liking the PCC concept, and I like the look of them, but I'm just not sure if i'll be buying any of them yet.

that said Huffer and Smolder are good candidates.