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Takara, you just showed Hasbro that YOU are the true franchise creators, NOT them! They look much more better than the inferior US versions!

Sabrblade wrote:

Diem wrote:Well the Hasbro version can "be" Fireflight. To be honest these are Aerialbots made from Shockwave repaints so colour inconsistencies are not the worst of their accuracy problems.

I mean, I don't want either version to be released as Air Raid because they're Shockwave remolds. I want an Air Raid that looks like the game model, but with them using this mold instead, it diminishes the possibility of us getting one.

You know who might have made an okay remold for Air Raid? Blastoff. He has those shoulder bits that you could redo into looking like air raid, and he they both have very vaguely similar jet modes.

XDMan wrote:Takara, you just showed Hasbro that YOU are the true franchise creators, NOT them! They look much more better than the inferior US versions!

Though you need to bear in mind that even now, as people complain en masse about Hasbro deluxes reaching the giddy heights of 18 dollars, Takara was charging the equivalent of $25 per deluxe as far back as 6 years ago. You'd hope for a little shiny paint for that moolah.

Takara's back on form! They really tried to be different with the Arms Micron line and I think it backfired. This is proof they still know how to take care of the fans. It's a pity it's like dressing a turd in a tuxedo.

What I don't understand is why ultra magnus uses optimus' wheels when the Hasbro version gets its own remolded wheels. I really prefer Fireflight/AirRaid in Hasbro colors, too. Way more interesting colorscheme.

Im so happy I didnt get the SDCC Bruticus from scalpers. This version makes SDCC look like a piece of s**t. It's such a shame they didnt just do Vortex right in his proper G1 grey and blue. Maybe if there is enought calling for it, it can be a future TFCC repaint. FOC creators were wrong to screw with Vortex colors. Who cares about the game anyways ??? I also jumped on both Soundwaves. But Ill be using Perfect Effect Laserbeak and Buzzaw, not those disc things.

Rated X wrote:Im so happy I didnt get the SDCC Bruticus from scalpers. This version makes SDCC look like a piece of s**t. It's such a shame they didnt just do Vortex right in his proper G1 grey and blue. Maybe if there is enought calling for it, it can be a future TFCC repaint.

The objective of this deco was to strive for game-accurate colors, hence Vortex's deco.

Rated X wrote:FOC creators were wrong to screw with Vortex colors.

FYI, this isn't G1 Vortex.

Rated X wrote:Who cares about the game anyways ???

TakaraTomy apparently cares about it enough to put effort into their toys being colored for game-accuracy.

And why wouldn't they? Did you even play the game, Mr. "I-switched-to-video-games-after-G1"?

These Takara outings really look good. They are landing all of the small paint apps that the Hasbro releases desperately need. Especially on the combat icons. What a difference the painted rims make. Ultra Magnus is a huge winner as well I think. Preo-ordered two Kickback figures as well. Starscream and Sideswipe look good as well but i want to see side by side shots of them with the Hasbro versions before I commit.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Im so happy I didnt get the SDCC Bruticus from scalpers. This version makes SDCC look like a piece of s**t. It's such a shame they didnt just do Vortex right in his proper G1 grey and blue. Maybe if there is enought calling for it, it can be a future TFCC repaint.

The objective of this deco was to strive for game-accurate colors, hence Vortex's deco.

Rated X wrote:FOC creators were wrong to screw with Vortex colors.

FYI, this isn't G1 Vortex.

Rated X wrote:Who cares about the game anyways ???

TakaraTomy apparently cares about it enough to put effort into their toys being colored for game-accuracy.

And why wouldn't they? Did you even play the game, Mr. "I-switched-to-video-games-after-G1"?

The other 4 FOC Combaticons are all G1 colors, so Its quite obvious some guy who does video games (not toys) got the wrong info and they rolled with the mistake. They probally recieved a picture of energon Stormcloud instead of Vortex. Takara is known for correcting all of Hasbro's stupid mistakes. Takara even got rid of that crappy SDCC grey on Onslaught and went for a G1 blue not as bright as the Hasbro versions. So why not correct this Vortex too ??? Does vortex have to be the color of warm PISS just because some geek from activision screwed up ??? Im buying an extra Hasbro version and painting him in nobody wants to step up and get it right...

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Im so happy I didnt get the SDCC Bruticus from scalpers. This version makes SDCC look like a piece of s**t. It's such a shame they didnt just do Vortex right in his proper G1 grey and blue. Maybe if there is enought calling for it, it can be a future TFCC repaint.

The objective of this deco was to strive for game-accurate colors, hence Vortex's deco.

Rated X wrote:FOC creators were wrong to screw with Vortex colors.

FYI, this isn't G1 Vortex.

Rated X wrote:Who cares about the game anyways ???

TakaraTomy apparently cares about it enough to put effort into their toys being colored for game-accuracy.

And why wouldn't they? Did you even play the game, Mr. "I-switched-to-video-games-after-G1"?

Also I dont suppose you were at Botcon in Dallas at the Hasbro pannel. When the FOC (SDCC versions) slides came on the screen, Vortex got booed while the other 4 got cheered. I heard it with my own ears. The fans have spoken on Piss Vortex.

Rated X wrote:The other 4 FOC Combaticons are all G1 colors, so Its quite obvious some guy who does video games (not toys) got the wrong info and they rolled with the mistake. They probally recieved a picture of energon Stormcloud instead of Vortex. Takara is known for correcting all of Hasbro's stupid mistakes.

Rated X wrote:So why not correct this Vortex too ??? Does vortex have to be the color of warm PISS just because some geek from activision screwed up ??? Im buying an extra Hasbro version and painting him in nobody wants to step up and get it right...

How do you KNOW this was a mistake? How do you know that Hasbro and/or High Moon didn't just think, "You know, let's give Vortex a new deco to make this version more unique"? You act as if you have inside intel about how Hasbro and/or High Moon think and work, when this new deco could have very well been done ON PURPOSE. You have no way of knowing either way, so you immediately assume it was an accident and declare it wrong just because you don't like it.

Rated X wrote:Takara even got rid of that crappy SDCC grey on Onslaught and went for a G1 blue not as bright as the Hasbro versions.

And you know what? Now that Onslaught is blue, Bruticus looks wrong now that he has a blue torso. In the game, Bruticus has a gray torso just like the SDCC toy. Onslaught does some sort of color change from blue to gray when he combines with the others in the game, hence why the SDCC toy when for game-accuracy with Bruticus while the retail version went for game-accuracy with Onslaught. At least Takara kept the gray Bruticus head of the SDCC toy.

Even G1 Bruticus had a gray torso, but he cheated with his being made from combiner kibble instead of being integrated in like on this toy.

Rated X wrote:Also I dont suppose you were at Botcon in Dallas at the Hasbro pannel. When the FOC (SDCC versions) slides came on the screen, Vortex got booed while the other 4 got cheered. I heard it with my own ears. The fans have spoken on Piss Vortex.

Yes, I was there. but not every single last individual in the audience was booing. Some booed, others didn't. One group of individuals does not reflect the views of the entire fandom.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:The other 4 FOC Combaticons are all G1 colors, so Its quite obvious some guy who does video games (not toys) got the wrong info and they rolled with the mistake. They probally recieved a picture of energon Stormcloud instead of Vortex. Takara is known for correcting all of Hasbro's stupid mistakes.

Rated X wrote:So why not correct this Vortex too ??? Does vortex have to be the color of warm PISS just because some geek from activision screwed up ??? Im buying an extra Hasbro version and painting him in nobody wants to step up and get it right...

How do you KNOW this was a mistake? How do you know that Hasbro and/or High Moon didn't just think, "You know, let's give Vortex a new deco to make this version more unique"? You act as if you have inside intel about how Hasbro and/or High Moon think and work, when this new deco could have very well been done ON PURPOSE. You have no way of knowing either way, so you immediately assume it was an accident and declare it wrong just because you don't like it.

Rated X wrote:Takara even got rid of that crappy SDCC grey on Onslaught and went for a G1 blue not as bright as the Hasbro versions.

And you know what? Now that Onslaught is blue, Bruticus looks wrong now that he has a blue torso. In the game, Bruticus has a gray torso just like the SDCC toy. Onslaught does some sort of color change from blue to gray when he combines with the others in the game, hence why the SDCC toy when for game-accuracy with Bruticus while the retail version went for game-accuracy with Onslaught. At least Takara kept the gray Bruticus head of the SDCC toy.

Even G1 Bruticus had a gray torso, but he cheated with his being made from combiner kibble instead of being integrated in like on this toy.

Rated X wrote:Also I dont suppose you were at Botcon in Dallas at the Hasbro pannel. When the FOC (SDCC versions) slides came on the screen, Vortex got booed while the other 4 got cheered. I heard it with my own ears. The fans have spoken on Piss Vortex.

Yes, I was there. but not every single last individual in the audience was booing. Some booed, others didn't. One group of individuals does not reflect the views of the entire fandom.

I have no inside intel on Vortex but do the math:
FOC Bruticus Video game accurate colors:
FOC Brawl: same as G1 Colors
FOC Swindle: same as G1 colors
FOC Blast Off: same as G1 Colors
FOC Onslaught: A very similar grey to ROTF Bruticus Maximus which was based on G1 colors in general
FOC Vortex: Warm Piss color

Don’t you see a pattern here that just doesn’t seem right for a “wild card” ? Then to top it all off Takara changes Onslaught back to G1 colors to resemble the Hasbro retail version which is basically G1. My question is why not change Vortex too ? You got a G1 vibe going on with a piss arm. I guess this is a sore spot for me because I don’t have a FOC shelf. I have a Golden Age of Cybertron classics shelf with certain FOC molds incorporated as stand ins. I plan to use FOC Bruticus as a centerpiece as the “renegade Decepticons” the Combaticons were referred to as in “Starscream’s Brigade”. So I need my grey Vortex. I might use metallic silver and blue and a lot of gloss on a Hasbro version. That will look nice…
And everyone in my group of chairs booed. Piss color on maroon was just an ugly choice that makes no sense historically or logically. Unless somebody either made a mistake or wanted to be funny.

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:The other 4 FOC Combaticons are all G1 colors, so Its quite obvious some guy who does video games (not toys) got the wrong info and they rolled with the mistake. They probally recieved a picture of energon Stormcloud instead of Vortex. Takara is known for correcting all of Hasbro's stupid mistakes.

Rated X wrote:So why not correct this Vortex too ??? Does vortex have to be the color of warm PISS just because some geek from activision screwed up ??? Im buying an extra Hasbro version and painting him in nobody wants to step up and get it right...

How do you KNOW this was a mistake? How do you know that Hasbro and/or High Moon didn't just think, "You know, let's give Vortex a new deco to make this version more unique"? You act as if you have inside intel about how Hasbro and/or High Moon think and work, when this new deco could have very well been done ON PURPOSE. You have no way of knowing either way, so you immediately assume it was an accident and declare it wrong just because you don't like it.

Rated X wrote:Takara even got rid of that crappy SDCC grey on Onslaught and went for a G1 blue not as bright as the Hasbro versions.

And you know what? Now that Onslaught is blue, Bruticus looks wrong now that he has a blue torso. In the game, Bruticus has a gray torso just like the SDCC toy. Onslaught does some sort of color change from blue to gray when he combines with the others in the game, hence why the SDCC toy when for game-accuracy with Bruticus while the retail version went for game-accuracy with Onslaught. At least Takara kept the gray Bruticus head of the SDCC toy.

Even G1 Bruticus had a gray torso, but he cheated with his being made from combiner kibble instead of being integrated in like on this toy.

Rated X wrote:Also I dont suppose you were at Botcon in Dallas at the Hasbro pannel. When the FOC (SDCC versions) slides came on the screen, Vortex got booed while the other 4 got cheered. I heard it with my own ears. The fans have spoken on Piss Vortex.

Yes, I was there. but not every single last individual in the audience was booing. Some booed, others didn't. One group of individuals does not reflect the views of the entire fandom.

I have no inside intel on Vortex but do the math:
FOC Bruticus Video game accurate colors:
FOC Brawl: same as G1 Colors
FOC Swindle: same as G1 colors
FOC Blast Off: same as G1 Colors
FOC Onslaught: A very similar grey to ROTF Bruticus Maximus which was based on G1 colors in general
FOC Vortex: Warm Piss color

Don’t you see a pattern here that just doesn’t seem right for a “wild card” ? Then to top it all off Takara changes Onslaught back to G1 colors to resemble the Hasbro retail version which is basically G1. My question is why not change Vortex too ? You got a G1 vibe going on with a piss arm. I guess this is a sore spot for me because I don’t have a FOC shelf. I have a Golden Age of Cybertron classics shelf with certain FOC molds incorporated as stand ins. I plan to use FOC Bruticus as a centerpiece as the “renegade Decepticons” the Combaticons were referred to as in “Starscream’s Brigade”. So I need my grey Vortex. I might use metallic silver and blue and a lot of gloss on a Hasbro version. That will look nice…
And everyone in my group of chairs booed. Piss color on maroon was just an ugly choice that makes no sense historically or logically. Unless somebody either made a mistake or wanted to be funny.

........wait for the Whirl repaint to come out then get him and call him Vortex?
I don't know what you're expecting man, that's what the design is. You're gonna have to take what we got and run with it.

United was a wallet slayer, not falling for it again...

I could have sworn I responded.

Rated X wrote:Don’t you see a pattern here that just doesn’t seem right for a “wild card” ? Then to top it all off Takara changes Onslaught back to G1 colors to resemble the Hasbro retail version which is basically G1. My question is why not change Vortex too ? You got a G1 vibe going on with a piss arm.

Because Onslaught WAS blue in the game. He only changed to gray when he turned into Bruticus' torso. Hasbro SDCC went went a pro-Bruticus torso deco while Takra went with a pro-Onslaught deco, thus making Takara Bruticus's torso be less gamee-accurate than the Hasbro version.

Rated X wrote:I guess this is a sore spot for me because I don’t have a FOC shelf. I have a Golden Age of Cybertron classics shelf with certain FOC molds incorporated as stand ins. I plan to use FOC Bruticus as a centerpiece as the “renegade Decepticons” the Combaticons were referred to as in “Starscream’s Brigade”. So I need my grey Vortex. I might use metallic silver and blue and a lot of gloss on a Hasbro version. That will look nice…

I think an easier way to look at these figures is not to see them as their G1 selves since, well, they aren't meant to be. It's alright if wanted to repurpose the toys as being the G1 counterparts, that's cool. But does it really make that big of a difference for the "Renegade Decepticons" to not all have had the same color schemes as the bodies that Starscream built for them? I mean, is it really that impossible to imagine Vortex having gotten a new color when he changed bodies? I mean, Brawl was put into the gray body of B.O.T. temporarily, but he was still the same guy even though that body he was in was colored nothing like his regular body.

Rated X wrote:And everyone in my group of chairs booed. Piss color on maroon was just an ugly choice that makes no sense historically or logically. Unless somebody either made a mistake or wanted to be funny.

OR unless they wanted to differentiate him from G1 Vortex. None of these guys HAD to be in G1 colors, but some were and some weren't. Why, Swindle was golden orange in G1 but FOC Swindle is tan. And FOC Blast Off is gold while G1 Blast Off was mostly purple and brown. And FOC Onslaught's already got his aforementioned color shifting weirdness between his combined and non-combined forms. The only one whose really colored G1 would be Brawl, but even then it's the wrong shade of green (G1 Brawl was olive green rtaher than FOC Brawl's forest green).

Sabrblade wrote:I could have sworn I responded.

Rated X wrote:Don’t you see a pattern here that just doesn’t seem right for a “wild card” ? Then to top it all off Takara changes Onslaught back to G1 colors to resemble the Hasbro retail version which is basically G1. My question is why not change Vortex too ? You got a G1 vibe going on with a piss arm.

Because Onslaught WAS blue in the game. He only changed to gray when he turned into Bruticus' torso. Hasbro SDCC went went a pro-Bruticus torso deco while Takra went with a pro-Onslaught deco, thus making Takara Bruticus's torso be less gamee-accurate than the Hasbro version.

Rated X wrote:I guess this is a sore spot for me because I don’t have a FOC shelf. I have a Golden Age of Cybertron classics shelf with certain FOC molds incorporated as stand ins. I plan to use FOC Bruticus as a centerpiece as the “renegade Decepticons” the Combaticons were referred to as in “Starscream’s Brigade”. So I need my grey Vortex. I might use metallic silver and blue and a lot of gloss on a Hasbro version. That will look nice…

I think an easier way to look at these figures is not to see them as their G1 selves since, well, they aren't meant to be. It's alright if wanted to repurpose the toys as being the G1 counterparts, that's cool. But does it really make that big of a difference for the "Renegade Decepticons" to not all have had the same color schemes as the bodies that Starscream built for them? I mean, is it really that impossible to imagine Vortex having gotten a new color when he changed bodies? I mean, Brawl was put into the gray body of B.O.T. temporarily, but he was still the same guy even though that body he was in was colored nothing like his regular body.

Rated X wrote:And everyone in my group of chairs booed. Piss color on maroon was just an ugly choice that makes no sense historically or logically. Unless somebody either made a mistake or wanted to be funny.

OR unless they wanted to differentiate him from G1 Vortex. None of these guys HAD to be in G1 colors, but some were and some weren't. Why, Swindle was golden orange in G1 but FOC Swindle is tan. And FOC Blast Off is gold while G1 Blast Off was mostly purple and brown. And FOC Onslaught's already got his aforementioned color shifting weirdness between his combined and non-combined forms. The only one whose really colored G1 would be Brawl, but even then it's the wrong shade of green (G1 Brawl was olive green rtaher than FOC Brawl's forest green).

I just watched those G1 episodes
I was wondering when someone was gonna point out that none of them really are 100% g1 colored.......

No matter how you sugarcoat it, four out of the five members were shades of their G1 colors. Maybe a little, darker, lighter, greyish, metallic, etc. Bus still the same basic color concept. Vortex was the only one that was extremly different color wise.

Im an all or nothing type of guy. Either change them all or leave them all alone. They already got an extreme makeover. The G1 colors are the only thing left that connects them to the G1 names. Take that away, and Hasbro might as well start just creating new characters and forget the homages. Last time I checked FOC was being released under the "Generations" line. Not Bayverse/TF Prime where Arcee is blue, Ratchet is green, Ironhide is black, etc. And even those 3 molds ended up getting G1 color accurate repaints for the fans. Everybody keeps avoiding the question, why not Vortex ???

And Im liking the idea of using the Whirl repaint. Maybe a kitbash with the Whirl helicopter parts with the purple limbs on from the Hasbro version. Maybe some blue dye can even be used to make the limbs more G1. Im feeling it...

Rated X wrote:Last time I checked FOC was being released under the "Generations" line.

Yeah, so? That's an all encompassing line for the various generations of Transformers, including those of today. The Prime First Edition figures were even gonna be released in the Generations line at first before it was decided to give them their own packaging.

Rated X wrote:Not Bayverse/TF Prime

TF: Prime isn't Bayverse. Every backstory episode it's had has called back to War for Cybertron, which has no ties to the Movieverse.

Rated X wrote:where Arcee is blue, Ratchet is green, Ironhide is black, etc.

Ratchet and Ironhide aren't those colors in TF: Prime, and Arcee's pink the Movieverse (her blue Target toy never appeared in the fiction).

Rated X wrote:And even those 3 molds ended up getting G1 color accurate repaints for the fans. Everybody keeps avoiding the question, why not Vortex ???

Well... maybe they simply don't want to. Maybe they find the gray too drab or boring looking or something. Maybe they simply liked this new brighter deco better.

Or maybe this deco came from the Binder and so they had no choice but to use it.

Rated X wrote:And Im liking the idea of using the Whirl repaint. Maybe a kitbash with the Whirl helicopter parts with the purple limbs on from the Hasbro version. Maybe some blue dye can even be used to make the limbs more G1. Im feeling it...

Funny thing about Whirl, he looks more like an homage to RiD Ro-Tor.

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