The Energon Pub

[Insurgent]

I too have Ironhide. And I love him. I never went against the figure, just thought maybe his hip panels could have done something. But actually, they look fine in hand. I'm actually tempted with the Ratchet, which is odd because I try to avoid repaints in the MP line unless they're dirt cheap.

[Ironhidensh]

a bunch of fan wank nonsense, what a tool!

I'm just teasing, my Australian brother from another mother. If you feel that way about Ironhide, you'll probably love Hot Rod.

I do fiddle with my Masterpieces quite a bit. It's the engineering of Ironhide that makes me like him more and more each time I change his modes. Aesthetically speaking, I still feel he leaves a lot to desire. Same with Roddy.

[william-james88]

My thoughts on Takara Transformers Masterpeice MP 27 Ironhide

Alt Mode: It's perfect. There are no gaps, there is great ground clearance, it rolls fine, it has added functionality with the canon/lazer accessory, you can store someguns under it very securely, there is abolsutely no robot kibble from any angle and you even have a fun easter egg of having the G1 root face detail in the front. The best part is that it is a vehicle specific detail and you can only see it in this mold making even that robot kibble homage not actually be robot kibble. For realistic vehicles (this one is licensed too), this is the absolute summum.

Robot Mode: I don't have any roblems with the robot mode. I can see where some would, like with the side panels, but nothing bothers me. The side panels add some width to that area and some fun ehicle integration I love in Transformers toys, even if it isn't accurate to the G1 cartoon. I don't mind that there isn't much detail in the legs because I marvel instead at how this lack of detail is the diligent use of reusing a panel from the alt mode and flipping it. I like that he has a solid back and the fact that he gets smaller at the waist at every angle is very interesting. It gives the toy more character and beef up the look of his torso. The wheels tab in the back is very silly though. While it is a fun way to hide them away and everything tabs in very well, it looks silly from the back. But it does add some mass that area and the profile works better because of it. The proportions on this toy are stellar.

Conversion: This is a very involved and satisfryign transformation that never gets you frustrated. Maybe aside from the arms when bringing him back to alt mode. I find it really impressive how the MP line has a knack for making the changing from mode to mode as interesting and fun regardless of what mode you are going to the next. It is mighty impressive how there is a ton of new robot mode detail with not a lot of the Van detail still showing and yet this is not a shellformer in any way. Many panels get converted and flipped and this is my favourite kind fo transformation since it minimizes kibble in either mode and makes the most of every panel and part. The legs are a lot of fun to Transform. This ir probably the second best transformation in the MP line after Wheeljack.

Quality: The articulation is great and there is nothing I can think of that is missig in that department. Same for accessories. They threw everything at this toy, even the kitchen sink. I especially love how he can recreate his discovery of the dinosaur skeletons on his chest. He also feels very solid and there is paint in all the right places.

This toy has a pefect alt mode, an amazing transformation and a very proportional robot mode. This is my favourite MP after Wheeljack and he gives me hope in the continuation of this line after my dissapointment with Tracks/Roadrage.

9/10

[fenrir72]

My thoughts on Takara Transformers Masterpeice MP 27 Ironhide

Alt Mode: It's perfect. There are no gaps, there is great ground clearance, it rolls fine, it has added functionality with the canon/lazer accessory, you can store someguns under it very securely, there is abolsutely no robot kibble from any angle and you even have a fun easter egg of having the G1 root face detail in the front. The best part is that it is a vehicle specific detail and you can only see it in this mold making even that robot kibble homage not actually be robot kibble. For realistic vehicles (this one is licensed too), this is the absolute summum.

Robot Mode: I don't have any roblems with the robot mode. I can see where some would, like with the side panels, but nothing bothers me. The side panels add some width to that area and some fun ehicle integration I love in Transformers toys, even if it isn't accurate to the G1 cartoon. I don't mind that there isn't much detail in the legs because I marvel instead at how this lack of detail is the diligent use of reusing a panel from the alt mode and flipping it. I like that he has a solid back and the fact that he gets smaller at the waist at every angle is very interesting. It gives the toy more character and beef up the look of his torso. The wheels tab in the back is very silly though. While it is a fun way to hide them away and everything tabs in very well, it looks silly from the back. But it does add some mass that area and the profile works better because of it. The proportions on this toy are stellar.

Conversion: This is a very involved and satisfryign transformation that never gets you frustrated. Maybe aside from the arms when bringing him back to alt mode. I find it really impressive how the MP line has a knack for making the changing from mode to mode as interesting and fun regardless of what mode you are going to the next. It is mighty impressive how there is a ton of new robot mode detail with not a lot of the Van detail still showing and yet this is not a shellformer in any way. Many panels get converted and flipped and this is my favourite kind fo transformation since it minimizes kibble in either mode and makes the most of every panel and part. The legs are a lot of fun to Transform. This ir probably the second best transformation in the MP line after Wheeljack.

Quality: The articulation is great and there is nothing I can think of that is missig in that department. Same for accessories. They threw everything at this toy, even the kitchen sink. I especially love how he can recreate his discovery of the dinosaur skeletons on his chest. He also feels very solid and there is paint in all the right places.

This toy has a pefect alt mode, an amazing transformation and a very proportional robot mode. This is my favourite MP after Wheeljack and he gives me hope in the continuation of this line after my dissapointment with Tracks/Roadrage.

9/10

and yes too about the Tracks/RR mold. For effort ,it gets 5/5 but the execution especially the lack of a neck lock (Tracks' is half arsed) indeed disappoints.

IH, tell you the truth, it's the side panels (which doesn't bother me at all) that cause of the negativity.

I also took a closer look at IH's box images, it seems that somewhere along the way, TT might have improved on it (the face sculpt). Compare the actual face with the package wj88, you'll see what I mean. Their faces don't match(that or bad lighting, my eyesight suck or IH isn't photogenic)

[LOST Cybertronian]

Apparently a lot of Ironhides and some Ratchets have missassembled shoulders although you really wouldn't notice it unless it is pointed out to you. Using an image from the gallery, those ratches on the top of the shoulders shouldn't be exposed like that.


Transformers Masterpiece Ironhide Gallery

Here is a tutorial for those who want to fix it.

[fenrir72]

Apparently a lot of Ironhides and some Ratchets have missassembled shoulders although you really wouldn't notice it unless it is pointed out to you. Using an image from the gallery, those ratches on the top of the shoulders shouldn't be exposed like that.


Transformers Masterpiece Ironhide Gallery

Here is a tutorial for those who want to fix it.

Wait. If I got it right. The connecting ratchets in the left shoulder marked L is supposed to go R ?

Is it possible that this was intentional? Are there any IH out there that have no exposed ratchets?

[Burn]

Out of curiosity (and not being sarcastic), is anyone actually bothered by this?

[LOST Cybertronian]

Out of curiosity (and not being sarcastic), is anyone actually bothered by this?

Not enough to actually go through the pain of having to take apart them shoulders.

[william-james88]

Out of curiosity (and not being sarcastic), is anyone actually bothered by this?

Not enough to actually go through the pain of having to take apart them shoulders.

Same here

[koolkollectibleskhai]

The fix only takes about 5 mins, is very easy to do, and hides those ratchet joints nicely! I normally hate doing this sort of thing since I tend to mess things up. But this one was so easy even I could do it lol


Glad they seem to have fixed the incorrect assembly with Ratchet.

[fenrir72]

The fix only takes about 5 mins, is very easy to do, and hides those ratchet joints nicely! I normally hate doing this sort of thing since I tend to mess things up. But this one was so easy even I could do it lol


Glad they seem to have fixed the incorrect assembly with Ratchet.

But the parts were labeled R and L for IH. Did you also check Ratchet's ratchets to see if the R and L are also in the right position?

[Ironhidensh]

Let's see an "after" photo.

[LOST Cybertronian]

Let's see an "after" photo.

Looks like this after

It also raises the shoulders to be even with the chest

[Bumblebee21]

I just did it makes it a little bit better raises the shoulders and has a good top view . This is supposed to be official just that it was a factory mistake

[fenrir72]

I just did it makes it a little bit better raises the shoulders and has a good top view . This is supposed to be official just that it was a factory mistake

That's my question too. If this is a factory mistake, how come the L part is in the Left and the R part is in the Right?

Wish someone out there would post a non modded/fixed MP-IH shoulder image.

Is it ossible that this was intentional to differentiate him from ratchet?

[Insurgent]

My shoulders are the 'unfixed' version, but his shoulders are level with his chest.


Eh, I don't think I'll bother. My Ironhide's shoulder tops are pointing at the back of the case anyway, as he's dual weilding his pistols. And they look fine in the normal pose.

[koolkollectibleskhai]

Going by all the prototype pics and promo pics, ratchet is correct and the swap is needed on ironhide to make it as it was designed to be.

[fenrir72]

Going by all the prototype pics and promo pics, ratchet is correct and the swap is needed on ironhide to make it as it was designed to be.

But post promo pics, anyone out there with an actual "unmodded" shoulders?

Please post/upload to Seibertron.com

Mine btw came from Japan. Those for Asia(with the coin) are they all with exposed ratchets?

[william-james88]

I just did it makes it a little bit better raises the shoulders and has a good top view . This is supposed to be official just that it was a factory mistake

That's my question too. If this is a factory mistake, how come the L part is in the Left and the R part is in the Right?

Because they are probably supposed to be there and it is probably Ratchet who is missassembled. Here is a quote from Goldimus Prime who did the fix and isnt convinced:

I just did the fix, and I'm not so cerain it is better:
Specifically, when in van mode the panels (i.e. arms) extending from the shoulders are now 1/8 of an inch further back along the length of the vehicle. There is a mild gap in between the front doors and the first side windows, that I don't think was there before I swapped these parts. Given that the parts are actually labelled according to where they're found, I think the assembly problem may be with Ratchet.

In summary, I don't think that the flush square shoulder is intended as a cosmetic detail: I think it serves a a clearance buffer to bump the arms more in one direction or the other along the shoulder axis.

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I think we should consider this a bit before everybody (potentially) takes their toys apart and reassembles them wrong!

[koolkollectibleskhai]

Going by all the prototype pics and promo pics, ratchet is correct and the swap is needed on ironhide to make it as it was designed to be.

But post promo pics, anyone out there with an actual "unmodded" shoulders?

Please post/upload to Seibertron.com

Mine btw came from Japan. Those for Asia(with the coin) are they all with exposed ratchets?

There's a pic a few posts up in this very thread that shows the unmodded shoulders!

[fenrir72]

I just did it makes it a little bit better raises the shoulders and has a good top view . This is supposed to be official just that it was a factory mistake

That's my question too. If this is a factory mistake, how come the L part is in the Left and the R part is in the Right?

Because they are probably supposed to be there and it is probably Ratchet who is missassembled. Here is a quote from Goldimus Prime who did the fix and isnt convinced:

I just did the fix, and I'm not so cerain it is better:
Specifically, when in van mode the panels (i.e. arms) extending from the shoulders are now 1/8 of an inch further back along the length of the vehicle. There is a mild gap in between the front doors and the first side windows, that I don't think was there before I swapped these parts. Given that the parts are actually labelled according to where they're found, I think the assembly problem may be with Ratchet.

In summary, I don't think that the flush square shoulder is intended as a cosmetic detail: I think it serves a a clearance buffer to bump the arms more in one direction or the other along the shoulder axis.

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but I think we should consider this a bit before everybody (potentially) takes their toys apart and reassembles them wrong!

So now, it seems that "fix" shouldn't be fixed in the first place?

Now, has anyone disassembled Ratchet (okay this should be in a different thread) to see if the R is in the R part and so on? Or maybe TT really intended IH and Ratchet to have "physically" different assembly?

[fenrir72]

Going by all the prototype pics and promo pics, ratchet is correct and the swap is needed on ironhide to make it as it was designed to be.

But post promo pics, anyone out there with an actual "unmodded" shoulders?

Please post/upload to Seibertron.com

Mine btw came from Japan. Those for Asia(with the coin) are they all with exposed ratchets?

There's a pic a few posts up in this very thread that shows the unmodded shoulders!

I saw that but is it the Asia of Jpn version?!

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd has anyone out there actually own an IH with a supposedly correct assembly from the factory as presented by the fix it advisory/suggestion in this thread?

Or are all IHs like that?

[koolkollectibleskhai]

If you look at all the prototype and promotional photos of Ironhide, the shoulders look like they do on Ratchet (ie. teeth on joint is hidden). So it would seem that the "fix" makes it closer to the way in which the figure was intended based on the design as shown in prototypes and promotional photos.

[william-james88]

If you look at all the prototype and promotional photos of Ironhide, the shoulders look like they do on Ratchet (ie. teeth on joint is hidden). So it would seem that the "fix" makes it closer to the way in which the figure was intended based on the design as shown in prototypes and promotional photos.

If i judged the proper way that TFs should look based on promotional photos, my Menasor would look like this:

[koolkollectibleskhai]

I just watched a video review from Bens Collectables who got his figure from HobbyLink Japan, so direct from Takara Japan, not the Hasbro Asia release.

In that video, you can clearly see that the shoulder joint in bot mode shows the teeth. So this pretty much means all Ironhide figures (not matter if it's direct from Takara Japan or Hasbro Asia) has the joint teeth showing on top in bot mode.

This contradicts the grey unpainted prototype model that was shown at conventions and also the painted prototype also shown at some conventions. It also contradicts the official promo photos. And it also contradicts the promotional photos and final production version of MP-30 Ratchet.

So with that many contradictions, I would presume that the error was made in the assembly of Ironhide.