The Energon Pub

[Scourgescream]

Cybertron had reached the final victory of the Planet Cup competition that brought the search for the Velocitronian Cyber Planet Key to a close

Yes but those 18 episodes of Cybertron were basically 95% Hot Rod in race after repetitive race after repetitive race. TF:Prime has never take taken the same one idea and used it for episode after episode.

[quote="Sabrblade" Machines had successfully brought back Silverbolt and gave him a fair chance to readjust to theMaximals[/quote]

Yes and they turned him into some sort of Galactic Poultry. Plus BM was only scheduled to last 2 seasons of 13 episodes so things had to be rushed to a conclusion in which time they crapped all over the memory of BW where as TF:Prime has time to build things up.

[Shadowman]

Machines had successfully brought back Silverbolt and gave him a fair chance to readjust to theMaximals

Yes and they turned him into some sort of Galactic Poultry. Plus BM was only scheduled to last 2 seasons of 13 episodes so things had to be rushed to a conclusion in which time they crapped all over the memory of BW where as TF:Prime has time to build things up.

Yeah, I wouldn't exactly put what they did to Silverbolt on the list of BM's accomplishments. He turned from a fairly humorous White Knight into a jaded and regretful warrior, constantly bemoaning things that he didn't even do. While either one is a good idea, the switch from the former to the latter happened for no reason. In fact, I could say that about all of the character changes in BM.

[Optimus Primevil]

Yeah, I wouldn't exactly put what they did to Silverbolt on the list of BM's accomplishments. He turned from a fairly humorous White Knight into a jaded and regretful warrior, constantly bemoaning things that he didn't even do.

probably something about willpower. rhinox was able to overcome the tankorr persona so did waspinator (though probably preferred the thrust persona) but that it took a reformatting to finally turn back to silverbolt meaning waspinator had more processor over matter.

[Sabrblade]

Machines had successfully brought back Silverbolt and gave him a fair chance to readjust to theMaximals

Yes and they turned him into some sort of Galactic Poultry. Plus BM was only scheduled to last 2 seasons of 13 episodes so things had to be rushed to a conclusion in which time they crapped all over the memory of BW where as TF:Prime has time to build things up.

Yeah, I wouldn't exactly put what they did to Silverbolt on the list of BM's accomplishments. He turned from a fairly humorous White Knight into a jaded and regretful warrior, constantly bemoaning things that he didn't even do. While either one is a good idea, the switch from the former to the latter happened for no reason. In fact, I could say that about all of the character changes in BM.

He got to see things from a different perspective. Before then, Silverbolt had never been truly exposed to what it was like to be evil (though he did come kinda close when he almost killed Tarantulas after Blackarachnia was offlined by him). The fact that the Vehicon programming of his Jetstorm persona was so powerful that he enjoyed it is what made his character change interesting. He no longer saw things as simply black and white after having seen the harsher side of war, being victimized by it himself. His old chivalrous nature had no place in this fight for survival. He manned up, got focused and serious, withholding all personal needs and desires until after the conflict was won (which he did so, returning to the same Doggy-Bot we all know near the end of the last episode). I'm not saying that it was a GOOD idea for them to change his character like they did, but that it was merely an interesting and unique direction that they went with him.

Yeah, I wouldn't exactly put what they did to Silverbolt on the list of BM's accomplishments. He turned from a fairly humorous White Knight into a jaded and regretful warrior, constantly bemoaning things that he didn't even do.

probably something about willpower. rhinox was able to overcome the tankorr persona so did waspinator (though probably preferred the thrust persona) but that it took a reformatting to finally turn back to silverbolt meaning waspinator had more processor over matter.

Rhinox, Waspinator, and Silverbolt all had help in there overcoming their programming. Rhinox's mind was first reached out by Optimus Primal, and then later forced out of Tankor by Rattrap and Cheetor (though, Rhinox wasn't quite in his right mind when they did, seeing as how he sounded mad and aggressive when he spoke of having accepted Megatron's ideals). Waspinator had some gotten some crush on Blackarachnia that made Thrust act helpful towards her, but that didn't last very much. He then had to have that organic goop splashed on him by Blackarachnia (after having trapped Thrust first) to temporarily bring him out. As did Silverbolt the first time. The second time, however, Jetstorm had to be lured away, captured in the fossil chamber, covered with more goop, have his spark forced out, and then have a DNA scanner scan his new condor form as the goop reformatted him.

The reason Silverbolt wasn't reached out to as much as the others (aside form Blackarachnia's mistaking of Thrust for him) was because he had seen the view of war from the enemies' point of view and found himself enjoying it. He relished in the power and thrill he got out of being a bad guy. And once he was freed from his Vehicon programming, he realized all that he had done as Jetstorm and, since he did nothing to stop himself, felt so ashamed of himself that he couldn't bear to place his comrades in any more harm. They welcomed him back with open arms, but he saw himself as a deserter and undeserving of their friendship. It was this episode, 18, that helped him to get past this and see that, in spite of his previous misdeeds as their foe, they still need him just as much as he need them.

[DarkEnergon]

The last episode (18?) was so fun to watch it prompted me to find somewhere online to proclaim my excitement over the last episode. Why did I delete it? The fight scenes in this episode, and there were a lot of them, were way superior to most of the other episodes.

I tend to agree with SabrBlade, the show is not the best ever (why does megatron not know where the autobots base is??), but it's fun and getting better. I particularly love how continuity elements are occasionally referenced or echoed - Blackarachnia is a deserter/loner; Megatron out of commission for some time; Prime and Ratchet are "old friends".

I'm hoping now that Ratchet modifies the magnet for himself, and then someone named Lockdown is hired to find it and get it back.

[Shadowman]

lots of stuff

That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.

[Sabrblade]

lots of stuff

That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.

Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.

[Shadowman]

lots of stuff

That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.

Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.

But the problem is that they were specifically instructed to ignore anything from Beast Wars. Damn fine storytelling is one thing, but when you ruin all of the characters, it causes the whole show to fall flat. I can't get into a story if I can't stop cringing over Primal acting like a hippie preacher.

[Sabrblade]

lots of stuff

That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.

Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.

But the problem is that they were specifically instructed to ignore anything from Beast Wars. Damn fine storytelling is one thing, but when you ruin all of the characters, it causes the whole show to fall flat. I can't get into a story if I can't stop cringing over Primal acting like a hippie preacher.

To say that they were all "ruined" is still a matter of opinion. I never thought they were ruined. I liked that Primal became something of the pinnacle of both physical and mental strength. And if his (and Megatron's) character hadn't gone the route it did, we wouldn't have gotten such brilliant dialogue exchanges such as this one:

Optimus: "Your version of harmony is nothing more than slavery. How can you have harmony without free will?"
Megatron: "How can you have harmony amid the chaos of disagreeing minds?"
Optimus: "True harmony only prevails when all voices are heard. You only want to stifle them."
Megatron: "Your way only leads to chaos, or are these the voices of 'harmony'?"
Optimus (*viewing imagery of his team fighting with each other*): "No... I've got to stop them."
Megatron: "And how do you propose to do that? Can't you see that conflict comes from confusion, which in turn is spawn by divided divisive minds. The only way to achieve true unity is through a singular mind. Are you so deluded by false visions that you can't even see my point of view?"
Optimus (*leaving*): "We'll finish this later, Megatron."
Megatron: "Ah, poor Optimus Primal. So eager to embrance the chaos, so eager to embrace your own doom."

[Dead Metal]

lots of stuff

That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.

Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.

But the problem is that they were specifically instructed to ignore anything from Beast Wars. Damn fine storytelling is one thing, but when you ruin all of the characters, it causes the whole show to fall flat. I can't get into a story if I can't stop cringing over Primal acting like a hippie preacher.

To say that they were all "ruined" is still a matter of opinion. I never thought they were ruined. I liked that Primal became something of the pinnacle of both physical and mental strength. And if his (and Megatron's) character hadn't gone the route it did, we wouldn't have gotten such brilliant dialogue exchanges such as this one:

Well according to at least Garry Chalk and Scott McNeail, even the voice actors hate the show and are of the opinion that it ruined the first 3 seasons, take note that they count BM as BW season 4.
And McNeil hated Silverbolt in BM, stating that it was not the same character as the original, Garry Chalk said the same about Primal.
And man, Garry Chalk is fun to talk to, especially when you ask him what he thinks of:

• Armada
• Energon
• Cybertron
• The TF Movies
• Don Murphy
• Bay

Short answer "I hate them!"

Also to get back on track with Prime,

I'm hoping now that Ratchet modifies the magnet for himself

As an Animated homage, dude, I didn't think of that and yes that would be sweet!

[SlyTF1]

lots of stuff

That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.

Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.

But the problem is that they were specifically instructed to ignore anything from Beast Wars. Damn fine storytelling is one thing, but when you ruin all of the characters, it causes the whole show to fall flat. I can't get into a story if I can't stop cringing over Primal acting like a hippie preacher.

To say that they were all "ruined" is still a matter of opinion. I never thought they were ruined. I liked that Primal became something of the pinnacle of both physical and mental strength. And if his (and Megatron's) character hadn't gone the route it did, we wouldn't have gotten such brilliant dialogue exchanges such as this one:

Optimus: "Your version of harmony is nothing more than slavery. How can you have harmony without free will?"
Megatron: "How can you have harmony amid the chaos of disagreeing minds?"
Optimus: "True harmony only prevails when all voices are heard. You only want to stifle them."
Megatron: "Your way only leads to chaos, or are these the voices of 'harmony'?"
Optimus (*viewing imagery of his team fighting with each other*): "No. I've got to stop them."
Megatron: "And how do you propose to do that? Can't you see that conflict comes from confusion, which in turn is spawn by divided divisive minds. The only way to achieve true unity is through a singular mind. Are you so deluded by false visions that you can't even see my point of view?"
Optimus (*leaving*): "We'll finish this later, Megatron."
Megatron: "Ah, poor Optimus Primal. So eager to embrance the chaos, so eager to embrace your own doom."

That is a pretty cool conversation. But the animation for the show sucks, so does turning Cybertron organic; therefore I hate the show.

[Sabrblade]

Well according to at least Garry Chalk and Scott McNeail, even the voice actors hate the show and are of the opinion that it ruined the first 3 seasons, take note that they count BM as BW season 4.
And McNeil hated Silverbolt in BM, stating that it was not the same character as the original, Garry Chalk said the same about Primal.

On the other hand, David Kaye has fond memories of Beast Machines.

And, like I said before, I did not say that the change they made to Silverbolt was a GOOD one, but only that it was an interesting and unique take on the character. That does not mean that there was no room for irpovement. It could have been much better, yes, but the way it turned out was just "interesting".

That is a pretty cool conversation. But the animation for the show sucks, so does turning Cybertron organic; therefore I hate the show.

I think you mean the art style, as the animation was just the movement of the imagery, which was top-notch. The art style was how everyone looked in that show, which gets a lot of mixed reviews.

And as for Cybertron turning organic, it turned "technorganic", Plus, G1 said that Cybertron was already organic in its innermost layers, so should we hate G1 because of that too?


As for Ratchet getting the polarity gauntlet, IMHO, that would seem a little uncreative. One of the things that this show needs to do more is use more unique and original ideas instead of rehashing stuff from previous series. It's one thing to homage something with a subtle reference. It's another thing to copy something with little to no originality.

[Optimus Primevil]

IMO the 'hippie' primal who takes orders from the oracle takes away the command responsibility from primal. choosing to follow the timeline by returning g1 megatron's spark, knowing all the deaths that would follow probably got to him. the role reversal of black arachnia and silverbolt was nice too as well as cheetor maturing enough to take command while the other more mature characters are too busy with their own problems was a step up. rattrap is the one hit the worst but it was nice that he was able to fill the role of tech guy.

[Scourgescream]

Optimus: "Your version of harmony is nothing more than slavery. How can you have harmony without free will?"
Megatron: "How can you have harmony amid the chaos of disagreeing minds?"
Optimus: "True harmony only prevails when all voices are heard. You only want to stifle them."
Megatron: "Your way only leads to chaos, or are these the voices of 'harmony'?"
Optimus (*viewing imagery of his team fighting with each other*): "No. I've got to stop them."
Megatron: "And how do you propose to do that? Can't you see that conflict comes from confusion, which in turn is spawn by divided divisive minds. The only way to achieve true unity is through a singular mind. Are you so deluded by false visions that you can't even see my point of view?"
Optimus (*leaving*): "We'll finish this later, Megatron."
Megatron: "Ah, poor Optimus Primal. So eager to embrance the chaos, so eager to embrace your own doom."

Why do i get the feeling you had that memorised?

That conversation, though good, seemed to me that the writers didn't really know how to finish it and had Primal run off, they had him running off to help the others as a way of saving face with the audience as they didn't know how to end the conversation with the good guy coming out on top

[Shadowman]

Why do i get the feeling you had that memorised?

Most likely he copied and pasted it off of the TF Wiki.

That conversation, though good, seemed to me that the writers didn't really know how to finish it and had Primal run off, they had him running off to help the others as a way of saving face with the audience as they didn't know how to end the conversation with the good guy coming out on top

Actually that's part of better storytelling; That maybe even if what the hero is doing is right, isn't going to be right for everyone, and that maybe the villain has a few good ideas. The best fiction isn't just black and white, but with a great big splotch of gray, the villains aren't strictly evil and the heroes aren't strictly good.

[Sabrblade]

Why do i get the feeling you had that memorised?

Most likely he copied and pasted it off of the TF Wiki.

Nah, TFWiki didn't have the full convo. Found the scene on YouTube and jotted down the dialogue.

That conversation, though good, seemed to me that the writers didn't really know how to finish it and had Primal run off, they had him running off to help the others as a way of saving face with the audience as they didn't know how to end the conversation with the good guy coming out on top

Actually that's part of better storytelling; That maybe even if what the hero is doing is right, isn't going to be right for everyone, and that maybe the villain has a few good ideas. The best fiction isn't just black and white, but with a great big splotch of gray, the villains aren't strictly evil and the heroes aren't strictly good.

As was what Megatron was in Beast Machines. He had developed a sense of rationality in that series and showed genuine concern for the sanctity of Cybertron. He had even learned from his past mistakes with Dinobot and acquired a sense of honor for his own right. Of course, this isn't to say that his goals weren't still selfish, extremist, and megalomaniacal; they still were. But he was no longer the "evil for evil's sake" villain that he had been, since after conquering Cybertron but before the Maximals arrived, he grew to care for Cybertron as though it were his own offspring and fought to protect it from what he viewed as an intruding infestation upon his state of perfection. Even though he had rendered Cybertron a lifeless dead world, he still maintained a peaceful existence in the planet. He just went about the wrong method of doing so, making it so that his was the only mind in control of his silent, yet stable, world.

[TulioDude]

This episode was awesome and fun.It was really well written.
I love this pic:

[Sabrblade]

Is it just me, or does June look like a grown up version of that girl from the old Miguzi segments on Cartoon Network?

[Optimus Primevil]

This episode was awesome and fun.It was reaaly well written.
I love this pic:

mrs darby's probably thinking naughty stuff at that scene. though one should ask what was the 'everything' in 'i wore heels and everything' line.

[Shadowman]

mrs darby's probably thinking naughty stuff at that scene. though one should ask what was the 'everything' in 'i wore heels and everything' line.

Nothing, it's just a figure of speech.

OR IS IT.

[Dead Metal]

mrs darby's probably thinking naughty stuff at that scene. though one should ask what was the 'everything' in 'i wore heels and everything' line.

Nothing, it's just a figure of speech.

OR IS IT.

Transformers Prime: Ep 21:
The woman who loved Optimus Prime.

[Shadowman]

mrs darby's probably thinking naughty stuff at that scene. though one should ask what was the 'everything' in 'i wore heels and everything' line.

Nothing, it's just a figure of speech.

OR IS IT.

Transformers Prime: Ep 21:
The woman who loved Optimus Prime.

I'm glad I don't follow fanfiction. Otherwise I'd have to see just how far people are willing to take this. And it's not like it'd be the worst fanfiction I ever read (A certain Power Rangers fanfic that will not be named here takes that spot, also probably My Immortal) I just really don't care to know how people would take this.

[Optimus Primevil]

astoria carlton ritz is a girl while june darby is a WOMAN.

so who's gonna call yuki oshima and talk about another kissplayer project?

[Sabrblade]

Maybe June could become a Godmaster whose Transtector looks an Aligned universe version of Elita One.

[TulioDude]

Who doesnt love Optimus Prime?