The Energon Pub

[steals_your_goats]

Confirmed as G1 Roller I hope that clears it up for everyone.

He's actually both. It says he started out in their dimension but then ended up in another one. So he started out as roller the drone but became idw roller during quest to find prime.

[william-james88]

Confirmed as G1 Roller I hope that clears it up for everyone.

He's actually both. It says he started out in their dimension but then ended up in another one. So he started out as roller the drone but became idw roller during quest to find prime.

YES! So we were all correct!

[fenrir72]

From Barrel Roller (E-Hobby Orion Pax) to Roller/Buggy (1984 mold) to IDW Roller to eventual "Microcarrier" of Starconvoy.

This kind of makes sense as in the story, Roller states that he'll always be at Convoy's side until his eventual return. So when Dark Nova steals Convoy's body in Battle Stars, which will lead to his "return". This Roller might have been incorporated back into Convoy's body.

So a part of the toy is the "micro trailer/ micro carrier" which suspiciously shares the color scheme of 1984/85 Roller's/ Buggy's second purple blue release.

[fenrir72]

Galvatron II would return again to menace the TFs post Starconvoy incarnation (Convoy by that time would have the ability to morph his appearance again and again thanks to the "transfiguration" abilities of the Matrix). Hence after Starconvoy..........

Starconvoy (scene where Star Convoys fights Galvatron together with micromaster Hotrodimus and Teletram 15 )

Nucleon Quest Super Convoy

Hero Convoy

Laser Optimus Prime/Battle Convoy

THS-02 Black Convoy ( Galvatron II kicks UM's ass who now has his "Laser" body this time. I wonder if he is the same UM who was resurrected in the form of Legends UM ( if the former, he probably lost his armor at this point). So THS-02 Convoy rolls out to save the day again.

Though there needs to have something cleared when it comes to the storyline of MP-1B Convoy as Megatron here, in his G1 body is temporarily under the rule of what seems like Galvatron II. Galvatron II has admitted that he came back to the past before the "creation" of purple Galvatron where he became Trypticon's city commander and is "destroyed".

So he again comes back whole?

[Sabrblade]

Though there needs to have something cleared when it comes to the storyline of MP-1B Convoy as Megatron here, in his G1 body is temporarily under the rule of what seems like Galvatron II. Galvatron II has admitted that he came back to the past before the "creation" of purple Galvatron where he became Trypticon's city commander and is "destroyed".

So he again comes back whole?

Thanks to this comic's explantion, Galvatron II's JG1 timeline is now as follows:

First, he arrives in the JG1 universe after the events of G-2. In response to his arrival, Ultra Magnus gets revived as Laser Ultra Magnus. But when Laser Ultra Magnus is nearly killed by Galvatron II, Optimus adopts his new "Black Body" (the black Hybrid Style toy) to stop Galvatron II from killing Magnus.

Then the events of the two e-HOBBY Masterpiece comics (the ones for MP-1B Convoy black Version and MP-3G Starscream Ghost Version) occur, in which Galvatron II firmly becomes the new Decepticon leader, with Megatron working under him.

Then come the retcons given by this comic. After the events of the two e-HOBBY comics, Galvatron II (somehow) traveled back in time to before the first Galvatron was created, so as to establish himself as a the "first" Galvatron to appear in the timeline since, according to this new comic, he disliked being called "Galvatron II" by those who wanted to differentiate him from the previous Galvatron who was born in this JG1 universe.

The point he travels back in time to is the late 1980s, after the events of G1 seasons 1-2 but before Scramble City. This point in time is when the original Japanese Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers story pages take place, in which there had appeared a Galvatron who was a separate individual from Megatron and colored more like the original G1 Galvatron toy's colors. At the time these story pages were published, the third season of the G1 cartoon had not come out in Japan yet, so the revelation of Galvatron being Megatron hadn't come to Japan just yet. Thus, these story pages were advertising the new Galvatron toy by depicting Galvatron as a different guy from Megatron.

But now, thanks to this comic, we now can say that the toy-colored Galvatron from these story pages is actually the very same Galvatron II from the future, having time-traveled back to the latter 1980s.

What's more is that this comic also now reveals what happened to the Galvatron from the story pages after he was defeated by Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. During Galvatron II's time in the 1980s serving under Megatron, Galvatron II was made the City Commander of Dinasaurer, the original version of Dinosaurer (Trypticon) who appeared in Scramble City with a different character model from the third season of the G1 cartoon.

Anyway, Galvatron II was then destroyed in an offscreen battle with Metroplex. But because he still had the Creation Matrix that he stole from the Rodimus Prime of Galvatron II's original timeline, he used the Matrix to keep his soul alive in the form of a ghost. He apparently then remained in the JG1 universe from that point on, hanging around in it all the way up till 2021, when he made his way to the resting place of the Cartoon Galvatron in the Arctic, tricked Cyclonus into thinking that Galvatron II was Galvatron I, tricked Cyclonus into letting Galvatron II's ghost possess him, and then used Cyclonus to go to Unicron and make a deal with him to get a new body: Grand Galvatron.

And now, with this new comic, Galvatron II attempts to possess Megaempress, but Gran Scourge tries to kill him because Galvatron II has a Matrix, and Matrix Bearers are what Grand Scourges lives to kill off. Then Megaempress shoves both Grand Scourge and Galvatron II's ghost off of Cybertron and into a rift in space-time, leading to parts unknown.

Phew!

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Only Sabrblade can unravel this bowl of storyline retcon spaghetti.

[Sabrblade]

Only Sabrblade can unravel this bowl of storyline retcon spaghetti.

Well, I first saw it mentioned on The Allspark, then read Chris McFeely's update to Galvatron II's Wiki page, and then had to process this all in my head myself before coming to terms with all of the jumping through hoops Sakamoto had to do to A) explain the appearance of Galvatron in the FSRLTF story pages, B) tie it all together with all that's come before, and C) make it all make sense without conflict or contradiction. Oy.

[Insurgent]

Firstly, Thanks Sabre.

Secondly, Galvatron II just got a whole lot more awesome.

[Coptur]

After reading his write on tfwiki and saberblade breakdown.

These are merely my thoughts and not canon etc or have the intention swing others opinions.

I'm convinced that this Galvatron II is a separate Galvatron II from the old marvel/IDW run.
I've noticed that Japan tends to steer clear from dabbling/messing about in the marvel transformers pool. It would be nice if that old run was left alone.

The multiverse being the tangled messy beast it is, I don't see anything wrong this Galvatron II with the golden sparkles being a Megatron free Galvatron from another universe where he defeated the autobots and claimed a green matrix for himself.

Of course if it has been explicitly confirmed as the same Galvetron II (which imo would be a questionable decision) then i'll accept it and move on

[Kurona]

I'm convinced that this Galvatron II is a separate Galvatron II from the old marvel/IDW run.
I've noticed that Japan tends to steer clear from dabbling/messing about in the marvel transformers pool. It would be nice if that old run was left alone.

They do? Because if anything, their many uses of Galvatron II and Straxus greatly implies otherwise.

[Coptur]

I'm convinced that this Galvatron II is a separate Galvatron II from the old marvel/IDW run.
I've noticed that Japan tends to steer clear from dabbling/messing about in the marvel transformers pool. It would be nice if that old run was left alone.

They do? Because if anything, their many uses of Galvatron II and Straxus greatly implies otherwise.

Straxus is a good single example taken from Marvel UK, but Galvaton II is a completely different kettle of fish as his timeline would be a colossal mess.

The Marvel Gal2 doesn't have a matrix the original Marvel Rodimus took it in Regeneration after that Gal2 defeated his universe Rodimus and he doesn't have a golden detail (which takara has been consistent with). If Gal2 hated being referred to as "number 2" why go back in the past and choose to serve under a possible alternate version of yourself that becomes Gal1... why not just kill him leaving Gal2 to be the ONLY Galvatron. (we all know the real world reasons for this)

Until otherwise stated I'm going to view that there are two separate Galvatron II's. I think they like the idea of a Galvatron II and created their own.

[Kurona]

I'm convinced that this Galvatron II is a separate Galvatron II from the old marvel/IDW run.
I've noticed that Japan tends to steer clear from dabbling/messing about in the marvel transformers pool. It would be nice if that old run was left alone.

They do? Because if anything, their many uses of Galvatron II and Straxus greatly implies otherwise.

Straxus is a good single example taken from Marvel UK, but Galvaton II is a completely different kettle of fish as his timeline would be a colossal mess.

The Marvel Gal2 doesn't have a matrix the original Marvel Rodimus took it in Regeneration after that Gal2 defeated his universe Rodimus and he doesn't have a golden detail (which takara has been consistent with). If Gal2 hated being referred to as "number 2" why go back in the past and choose to serve under a possible alternate version of yourself that becomes Gal1... why not just kill him leaving Gal2 to be the ONLY Galvatron. (we all know the real world reasons for this)

Until otherwise stated I'm going to view that there are two separate Galvatron II's. I think they like the idea of a Galvatron II and created their own.

Certainly not out of the question; as far as I know, it's pretty up in the air whether J Galvatron II is Marvel Galvatron II or not - there's a little more evidence to suggest he is Marvel but it can go either way. Japanese continuity is fun

[Coptur]

I'm convinced that this Galvatron II is a separate Galvatron II from the old marvel/IDW run.
I've noticed that Japan tends to steer clear from dabbling/messing about in the marvel transformers pool. It would be nice if that old run was left alone.

They do? Because if anything, their many uses of Galvatron II and Straxus greatly implies otherwise.

Straxus is a good single example taken from Marvel UK, but Galvaton II is a completely different kettle of fish as his timeline would be a colossal mess.

The Marvel Gal2 doesn't have a matrix the original Marvel Rodimus took it in Regeneration after that Gal2 defeated his universe Rodimus and he doesn't have a golden detail (which takara has been consistent with). If Gal2 hated being referred to as "number 2" why go back in the past and choose to serve under a possible alternate version of yourself that becomes Gal1... why not just kill him leaving Gal2 to be the ONLY Galvatron. (we all know the real world reasons for this)

Until otherwise stated I'm going to view that there are two separate Galvatron II's. I think they like the idea of a Galvatron II and created their own.

Certainly not out of the question; as far as I know, it's pretty up in the air whether J Galvatron II is Marvel Galvatron II or not - there's a little more evidence to suggest he is Marvel but it can go either way. Japanese continuity is fun

It really is I loved the learning about the Prowl, Prowl & Prowl saga

[Sabrblade]

I'm convinced that this Galvatron II is a separate Galvatron II from the old marvel/IDW run.
I've noticed that Japan tends to steer clear from dabbling/messing about in the marvel transformers pool. It would be nice if that old run was left alone.

They do? Because if anything, their many uses of Galvatron II and Straxus greatly implies otherwise.

Straxus is a good single example taken from Marvel UK, but Galvaton II is a completely different kettle of fish as his timeline would be a colossal mess.

The Marvel Gal2 doesn't have a matrix the original Marvel Rodimus took it in Regeneration after that Gal2 defeated his universe Rodimus and he doesn't have a golden detail (which takara has been consistent with). If Gal2 hated being referred to as "number 2" why go back in the past and choose to serve under a possible alternate version of yourself that becomes Gal1... why not just kill him leaving Gal2 to be the ONLY Galvatron. (we all know the real world reasons for this)

Until otherwise stated I'm going to view that there are two separate Galvatron II's. I think they like the idea of a Galvatron II and created their own.

There's one thing you've overlooked: This isn't the Marvel Galvatron II of the Regeneration One timeline. This is the Marvel Galvatron II of the Marvel G1/Marvel G2/Alignment timeline. Recall how the Marvel timeline has several different paths it can take after Issue #80. Before Regeneration One was made, the Marvel G2 comics were the most widely accepted next step in the timeline. And after Marvel G2 was Simon Furman's pseudocanonical story titled "Alignment", in which Galvatron II's return was referred to, complete with his possessing a fleet of Warworlds, which the e-HOBBY Laser Ultra Magnus bio mentioned this Galvatron II possessing.

Now, the canonicity of "Alignment" has been a subject of debate for years. It's a shaky situation, at best. The story was never officially published under license from Hasbro, thereby technically making it unofficial fanfiction. Yet, official pieces of TF media have referred to it time and again over the years (it's that story where the name "Galvatron II" even originated from).

As far as attempt to canonize have gone, this paragraph from the Wiki's Alignment page puts it best:

In 2010, in Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II, the authors Jim Sorenson and Bill Forster (through their in-universe proxies of the same names) noted that "Alignment" is an accurate account of the future of Primax 984.0 Gamma (i.e., Marvel Comics US continuity), "as chronicled by Simon Furman". Then, shortly after The AllSpark Almanac II was published, Jim Sorenson himself added the "apocrypha" template to this page, explicitly defining "Alignment" as not necessarily official. Then in August 2015, the Facebook version of "Ask Vector Prime" said this timeline definitely had "Mogahn the Mass, the Ebon Knights, the battle of Pinea Omicron, the Liege Maximo, and eventually the Beast Wars", as close to saying Alignment as possible without actually saying Alignment. Confused yet?

So, I guess we could say that the fictional events covered by the story that other pieces of official media refer to are canon while the actual story itself technically isn't.

[Coptur]

I can put my hands up and fully admit I've never read alignment

Yes the many strings of the multiple Marvel only timelines/universes are a beast upon themselves

That said similar events could take place in every timeline/universe hence the familiar narratives (warworld mentions etc) but not necessarily at the time frame.

A bit like Judgement Day in the (now ruined) Terminator timeline they couldn't completely stop it the event it just shifted until a few years later.

[Sabrblade]

I can put my hands up and fully admit I've never read alignment

Here you go - http://web.archive.org/web/20070704093846/http://www.transforce.org.uk/alignment.pdf

Though, the story makes more sense to one who's first read the Marvel G2 comics. If you've not yet read those already, you might not get as many of the Marvel G2 callbacks.

[Coptur]

I can put my hands up and fully admit I've never read alignment

Here you go - http://web.archive.org/web/20070704093846/http://www.transforce.org.uk/alignment.pdf

Though, the story makes more sense to one who's first read the Marvel G2 comics. If you've not yet read those already, you might not get as many of the Marvel G2 callbacks.

i'll reread it all back to back (including the gijoe crossover issues lol)

[King Kuuga]

I am so lost at this point. I suppose the first thing to do would be to go back and read Marvel G1...

[Sabrblade]

I am so lost at this point. I suppose the first thing to do would be to go back and read Marvel G1...

*shrug* The bit about Galvatron II having come from a Marvel G1 universe beforehand is really more of a footnote for his JG1 universe activities anyway.

[King Kuuga]

The entire concept of a Galvatron II and this crazy twisty winding story he's been through is hard to follow since I've never heard of him until now, nor pretty much any of the stories he's apparently been in.

[Sabrblade]

The entire concept of a Galvatron II and this crazy twisty winding story he's been through is hard to follow since I've never heard of him until now, nor pretty much any of the stories he's apparently been in.

The reason the alternate universe Galvatron of the Marvel comics was given the "Galvatron II" name after the fact was to differentiate him from a previous Galvatron who was the subject of a long-running multi-year storyline from the Marvel UK comics, who had appeared in those comics well before the Galvatron who would later come to known by the fandom as "Galvatron II" showed up.

[fenrir72]

Though there needs to have something cleared when it comes to the storyline of MP-1B Convoy as Megatron here, in his G1 body is temporarily under the rule of what seems like Galvatron II. Galvatron II has admitted that he came back to the past before the "creation" of purple Galvatron where he became Trypticon's city commander and is "destroyed".

So he again comes back whole?

Thanks to this comic's explantion, Galvatron II's JG1 timeline is now as follows:

First, he arrives in the JG1 universe after the events of G-2. In response to his arrival, Ultra Magnus gets revived as Laser Ultra Magnus. But when Laser Ultra Magnus is nearly killed by Galvatron II, Optimus adopts his new "Black Body" (the black Hybrid Style toy) to stop Galvatron II from killing Magnus.

Then the events of the two e-HOBBY Masterpiece comics (the ones for MP-1B Convoy black Version and MP-3G Starscream Ghost Version) occur, in which Galvatron II firmly becomes the new Decepticon leader, with Megatron working under him.

Then come the retcons given by this comic. After the events of the two e-HOBBY comics, Galvatron II (somehow) traveled back in time to before the first Galvatron was created, so as to establish himself as a the "first" Galvatron to appear in the timeline since, according to this new comic, he disliked being called "Galvatron II" by those who wanted to differentiate him from the previous Galvatron who was born in this JG1 universe.

The point he travels back in time to is the late 1980s, after the events of G1 seasons 1-2 but before Scramble City. This point in time is when the original Japanese Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers story pages take place, in which there had appeared a Galvatron who was a separate individual from Megatron and colored more like the original G1 Galvatron toy's colors. At the time these story pages were published, the third season of the G1 cartoon had not come out in Japan yet, so the revelation of Galvatron being Megatron hadn't come to Japan just yet. Thus, these story pages were advertising the new Galvatron toy by depicting Galvatron as a different guy from Megatron.

But now, thanks to this comic, we now can say that the toy-colored Galvatron from these story pages is actually the very same Galvatron II from the future, having time-traveled back to the latter 1980s.

What's more is that this comic also now reveals what happened to the Galvatron from the story pages after he was defeated by Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. During Galvatron II's time in the 1980s serving under Megatron, Galvatron II was made the City Commander of Dinasaurer, the original version of Dinosaurer (Trypticon) who appeared in Scramble City with a different character model from the third season of the G1 cartoon.

Anyway, Galvatron II was then destroyed in an offscreen battle with Metroplex. But because he still had the Creation Matrix that he stole from the Rodimus Prime of Galvatron II's original timeline, he used the Matrix to keep his soul alive in the form of a ghost. He apparently then remained in the JG1 universe from that point on, hanging around in it all the way up till 2021, when he made his way to the resting place of the Cartoon Galvatron in the Arctic, tricked Cyclonus into thinking that Galvatron II was Galvatron I, tricked Cyclonus into letting Galvatron II's ghost possess him, and then used Cyclonus to go to Unicron and make a deal with him to get a new body: Grand Galvatron.

And now, with this new comic, Galvatron II attempts to possess Megaempress, but Gran Scourge tries to kill him because Galvatron II has a Matrix, and Matrix Bearers are what Grand Scourges lives to kill off. Then Megaempress shoves both Grand Scourge and Galvatron II's ghost off of Cybertron and into a rift in space-time, leading to parts unknown.

Phew!

And the irony is, if your inference is correct, in the future Galvatron II made Megatron his b#tch while in the 1980s, Galvatron II was Megatron's b#tch. Then the fact that in the future, that Megatron still retained his G1 body?

Also, is Laser UM the same as Legends UM? Only naked?

[Sabrblade]

Also, is Laser UM the same as Legends UM? Only naked?

When I asked Sakamoto about Magnus's resurrection at BotCon, he (through translation from Ken Rose) said that Magnus was resurrected in his Laser body, and that the appearance of the Legends body in the comic that showed his resurrection was just to advertise the toy. However, the profile for Laser Ultra Magnus does mention Magnus's ability to assume new forms through the power of the Reconfiguration Matrix, so his Legends body is likely one of these new forms of his that he can assume.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Well, that was quite the story to read

[fenrir72]

Also, is Laser UM the same as Legends UM? Only naked?

When I asked Sakamoto about Magnus's resurrection at BotCon, he (through translation from Ken Rose) said that Magnus was resurrected in his Laser body, and that the appearance of the Legends body in the comic that showed his resurrection was just to advertise the toy. However, the profile for Laser Ultra Magnus does mention Magnus's ability to assume new forms through the power of the Reconfiguration Matrix, so his Legends body is likely one of these new forms of his that he can assume.

So UM can be both "naked" and armored.

Next, so now, we have or had a Trypticon ver. 1 as in in Scramble City. Sometime just after Trypticon/Dinosaurer appears Galvatron II takes the helm of City Commander. Then after an off screen battle, Dinosaurer ver. 1 is destroyed and Metroplex so heavily damaged that he couldn't transform from 2005 to 2010 (following the JP timeline of Season 3)

In 5 Faces of Darkness, Dinosaurer ver 2 is recreated (using his left over parts (?) thus we have a far different character model? (same with Metroflex?). Now that is one massive retcon to explain the different character model that sort of makes sense.