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If u got the even a small contigent of tfs, any group of mobile suits would be screwed

Okay so actual Gundams are a type of Mobile Suits used by a single faction in there respective series were as we are taking all TFs from multiple G1 continuities. I know very little on the Gundam front, but I was hoping the fight wouldn't come down to option#1 "my one BF-mecha can beat your one BF-mecha so all mine win" or option#2 "my mechas populate (and some concure) multiple worlds while your mechas are built to lead in the defense of a solar system or two." ie the numbers win....

While on a TF forum site, i'ld like to know just how large the 80's toon G1 (the one without the original 13 or a corperal Primus) numbers could be, the numbers for Marvel UK's G1 (were the 13 TFs are mentioned but not all named or shown like Liege Maximo), DW comic continuity (with the uber unicron), or IDWs (with a still developing mythos)

along with this information perhaps someone could give an estimate of what the Gundams are working with, although all Mobile suits would seem a more practical match up.

Okay, now let's kick it up a notch. Every mobile suit from Universal Century (With clones of Amuro, Char, and whoever else, so custom suits like the RX-78 Gundam and Char's Zaku II can join), and Cosmic Era (With similar clones), After Colony, After War, Future Century, and Correct Century. MS-V suits apply.

Imagine every army on Earth, about twenty times over. I'd say around 20,000,000,000 strong, agile, and commonly psychic trained soldiers.

Mobile Suits reaction time is a fraction of a second. The RX-78 didn't have ANY reaction time, and did whatever Amuro attempted instantly. Doesn't matter how fast the Transformers can move, if a NewType can see what they're going to do next.

And if you get Unicron and Primus, then we get GENESIS, Neo-GENESIS, GENESIS Alpha, the Solar Ray, the two Colony Lasers, and any other Doomsday Weapon Gundam can think up. And Ideon.

(Unicron can be damaged by non-Matrix weapons. Notice how Slag burned a hole in him? Imagine that with ten giant beam-weapons)

Shadowman wrote:Okay, now let's kick it up a notch. Every mobile suit from Universal Century (With clones of Amuro, Char, and whoever else, so custom suits like the RX-78 Gundam and Char's Zaku II can join), and Cosmic Era (With similar clones), After Colony, After War, Future Century, and Correct Century. MS-V suits apply.

Imagine every army on Earth, about twenty times over. I'd say around 20,000,000,000 strong, agile, and commonly psychic trained soldiers.

Mobile Suits reaction time is a fraction of a second. The RX-78 didn't have ANY reaction time, and did whatever Amuro attempted instantly. Doesn't matter how fast the Transformers can move, if a NewType can see what they're going to do next.

And if you get Unicron and Primus, then we get GENESIS, Neo-GENESIS, GENESIS Alpha, the Solar Ray, the two Colony Lasers, and any other Doomsday Weapon Gundam can think up. And Ideon.

(Unicron can be damaged by non-Matrix weapons. Notice how Slag burned a hole in him? Imagine that with ten giant beam-weapons)

BUT! You are forgetting the most powerfull, most menacing and frightening Überwepen Megatron has ever created,... Kremzeek!
Now that little guy can just enter and blowup any MS in an instent, and if the gundams try to kill him they can't cos he's pure energy!
The MS are screwed!

I'd have to give the win to Transformers.

The majority of the Transformers are a lot smaller than a Gundam, so they present a small target. While the Gundams are larger than the buildings themselves, you don't have to aim to hit one.

However, depending on the Gundam universe, gives up the deciding factor.

UC Timeline up until 0083 vs Transformers: Transformers

UC Timeline past 0083 vs Transformers: UC

Gundam Wing vs Transformers: Transformers(Zechs in the Tallgeese/Epyon/Tallgeese 3 would end up being the biggest competitor followed by Wufei, Duo, and whats-his-name, Heero would be too busy killing himself to fight the Transformers, ), Quatra would have a heart attack at the first sign of violence.)

G Gundam vs Transformers: G Gundam(if Domon can put aside the hardon to find his brother for a minute, the G universe would be a shoe-in)

SEED vs Transformers: Transformers(albeit this is biased, because I hate SEED with a passion, and would go back in time to before SEED was made and destroy every single copy of SEED in a heartbeat if I got the chance)

G Saviour vs Transformers: Transformers(for obvious reasons)

Basically, the Transformers would end up having to rely on their small size and compact yet equally powerful firepower to take down the mobile suits.

I figure the biggest hitters on the Transformers side, aside from the combiners would be, provided Bots and Cons could work together, which we've seen in a few instances.

Roadbuster
Sunstreaker
Sideswipe
Optimus Prime
Megatron
HardHead
Trailbreaker
Mirage
Grimlock
The Dinobots
The Seekers
Shockwave
Sixshot
Blitzwing
The Wreckers
Ultra Magnus
Brawn

The biggest problem I see, is the bots not wanting to hurt the humans inside the suits, so that would set them back.

However, if they get past the whole killing humans thing, which a few on the Bots list would, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

DesalationReborn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Thanatos Prime wrote:And here it goes again...

Even if Ideon is supreme; when you put Unicron and Primus together, they too are supreme. So we can take those three out of the battle because infinite power vs infinite power is stupid.

However, Gundams have no way to fight the millions if not billions of transformers much less the original 13, who with just the known ones alone could probably destroy all the gundams single handedly.

The Fallen alone could probably destroy about 1000 gundams before he got bored and left...

If they made a thousand Gundams, sure, why not? (Gundams are rare, Mobiles suits are mass-produced. Gundam is a type of mobile suit)

But I still don't know where you get Billions of transformers from. Seems like a GIGANTIC exaggeration.

Probably because Liege Maximo had a huge-ass empire... and the fact that you have to fill a planet of robots with something, maybe robots.

That's what I was talking about; the Liege Maximo with an empire the size of a galaxy and a base full of transformers that is lightyears long, wide and tall.

Shadowman wrote:Mobile Suits reaction time is a fraction of a second. The RX-78 didn't have ANY reaction time, and did whatever Amuro attempted instantly. Doesn't matter how fast the Transformers can move, if a NewType can see what they're going to do next.

No reaction time? That's every transformer ever, except maybe Sludge and the early gestalts.

Like I said, the original 13 could probably do this on their own.

Thanatos Prime wrote:

DesalationReborn wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Thanatos Prime wrote:And here it goes again...

Even if Ideon is supreme; when you put Unicron and Primus together, they too are supreme. So we can take those three out of the battle because infinite power vs infinite power is stupid.

However, Gundams have no way to fight the millions if not billions of transformers much less the original 13, who with just the known ones alone could probably destroy all the gundams single handedly.

The Fallen alone could probably destroy about 1000 gundams before he got bored and left...

If they made a thousand Gundams, sure, why not? (Gundams are rare, Mobiles suits are mass-produced. Gundam is a type of mobile suit)

But I still don't know where you get Billions of transformers from. Seems like a GIGANTIC exaggeration.

Probably because Liege Maximo had a huge-ass empire... and the fact that you have to fill a planet of robots with something, maybe robots.

That's what I was talking about; the Liege Maximo with an empire the size of a galaxy and a base full of transformers that is lightyears long, wide and tall.

Shadowman wrote:Mobile Suits reaction time is a fraction of a second. The RX-78 didn't have ANY reaction time, and did whatever Amuro attempted instantly. Doesn't matter how fast the Transformers can move, if a NewType can see what they're going to do next.

No reaction time? That's every transformer ever, except maybe Sludge and the early gestalts.

Like I said, the original 13 could probably do this on their own.

And the Dinobots have this armor taht you can't harm in alt mode!
And the Gestals are real bigass guys that can take a lot of beating!

one on one the best match up in my eyes wold be Gundam Epeon piloted by Zecks after he masters the zero system vs Devastator That would be a good fight except that Devastator would get his shovel handed to him.


Gundam wins
as long as it is one on one Transformers don't stand a chance

Transformers.
And Unicron/Primus can take Zeong/Destiny/Destroy on anytime, anyday.

only the real destroyer of the multiverse is dis-astranagant!!!!!!

the power of the DIS-LEV Engine will devour all souls of the multiverse especially those transformerz.....

all of the living things in the multiverse will die because of DIS-LEV.........

and come to think of it unicron is a damn noob freaking ROBOT!!!!!!!

his armor is too useless it's like scrap metal on the other hand Gundam have rare armor!!!!!!!!!!!!

this war is for the gundams!!!!!!!!

for the fact all of the TF fans must watch other kind of robots!!!!!!

and never focus on one kind of ROBOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and One more thing

Humans are the most powerful beings in the whole multiverse!

much more intellegent than ROBOTS!

wheeljack doesn't have all the information!

unlike humans possess great intellengence!!!!!!!!

Dont forget we are all humans!!!!!!

^___^

thats my opinion

good day

CobrayGordon wrote:only the real destroyer of the multiverse is dis-astranagant!!!!!!

the power of the DIS-LEV Engine will devour all souls of the multiverse especially those transformerz.....

all of the living things in the multiverse will die because of DIS-LEV.........

and come to think of it unicron is a damn noob freaking ROBOT!!!!!!!

his armor is too useless it's like scrap metal on the other hand Gundam have rare armor!!!!!!!!!!!!

this war is for the gundams!!!!!!!!

for the fact all of the TF fans must watch other kind of robots!!!!!!

and never focus on one kind of ROBOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and One more thing

Humans are the most powerful beings in the whole multiverse!

much more intellegent than ROBOTS!

wheeljack doesn't have all the information!

unlike humans possess great intellengence!!!!!!!!

Dont forget we are all humans!!!!!!

^___^

thats my opinion

good day

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CobrayGordon wrote:And i love Transformerz i saw the movie it's great ^__^

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CobrayGordon wrote:And i love Transformerz i saw the movie it's great ^__^

peaceout guys ^__^

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The size of the Gundam's is their down-fall. They my be large. But considering that a regular Transformer is a hell of a lot smaller, they have the advantage for mobility and could easily hide in buildings or ruins.

Not to mention:

Alien Weapons Technology > Human Mobile Suit/Weapons Technology

The Gundams may stand a chance against the combiners, Fort Max, Metroplex, Omega Supreme, and Trypticon just because of their size allows for easy targeting, plus the gundam pilots are used to dealing with mechs of that size.

However, get a bunch of smaller Transformers running around firing up at em. Plus given the power of Megatron's Fusion Cannon and Prime's gun. They'd drop more Gundams than the Gundams could take out Transformers.

hehehehehe.it doesn't mean that small robot can be fast, think about it weapons of tranzformers are very weak compared to nuclear weaponry and other new technologies that humans may learn.try to give a human a metal what would he do to make it beyond anything.the reason why humans are dominants than robots like transformers are because of creativity, thats the +++ in human factor.example bumble bee dont think bumble bee is a robot it means he has no weakness.
i consider you wrong.what my point of view here is that gundams are more agile more strong and more destructive because it has no weakness.even you say it was driven by a human just try to watch some other robot or gundam shows then you will see how difference of gundam or transformerz or other robots!!!!

^__^

thats all peaceout yah

Gundam Wins!

Gundams FTW
witch gundams

CobrayGordon wrote:hehehehehe.it doesn't mean that small robot can be fast, think about it weapons of tranzformers are very weak compared to nuclear weaponry and other new technologies that humans may learn.try to give a human a metal what would he do to make it beyond anything.the reason why humans are dominants than robots like transformers are because of creativity, thats the +++ in human factor.example bumble bee dont think bumble bee is a robot it means he has no weakness.
i consider you wrong.what my point of view here is that gundams are more agile more strong and more destructive because it has no weakness.even you say it was driven by a human just try to watch some other robot or gundam shows then you will see how difference of gundam or transformerz or other robots!!!!

^__^

thats all peaceout yah

Gundam Wins!

No weaknesses? You mean other than the fact that a Gundam gets a nice shot in the back, it goes kaboom?

Gundams have weaknesses. Every Gundam has a weakness. From the original series up to the new 00.

To say "a Gundam is more destructive, more strong because it has no weaknesses" is a false comment all around.

Yes, a Gundam will have a good amount of agility. Up to their thruster capacity. However, a Transformer, going up against a Gundam, could easily duck in and out of cover.

Lets not forget that the Transformers have been at war for millenia. So they're pretty good at what they do.

Alien Robot Logic > Human Logic

Going up against a Gundam, what would be the first thing to happen? Well, if it's a Decepticon, they're going after the human inside. If it's an Autobot, they'll probably get onto the back of the Gundam and try to disable it without harming the human.

Now, for the weaponry. Gundam's have nice beam technology. However, the weapons can only be utilized in weaponry big enough for a giant mobile suit. While a Transformer has equally powerful weaponry(in some cases) on a very small scale.

Not to mention Alien Armor > Human manufactured mobile suit armor.

Yes, a shot taken full on from a Gundam Beam weapon would destroy a Transformer in one shot, given it's not one of the combiners. But the Transformers have a vast array of weapons. Ironhide alone with his chemical cannon could easily take out a gundam.

I'm not saying that the Transformers have no weaknesses.

But this fight, the Transformers have the advantage, easily. Essentially the fight boils down to a equal of shooting ants with a .45. Or similiar to the little people taking down Gulliver in Gulliver travels.

Senor Hugo wrote:

CobrayGordon wrote:hehehehehe.it doesn't mean that small robot can be fast, think about it weapons of tranzformers are very weak compared to nuclear weaponry and other new technologies that humans may learn.try to give a human a metal what would he do to make it beyond anything.the reason why humans are dominants than robots like transformers are because of creativity, thats the +++ in human factor.example bumble bee dont think bumble bee is a robot it means he has no weakness.
i consider you wrong.what my point of view here is that gundams are more agile more strong and more destructive because it has no weakness.even you say it was driven by a human just try to watch some other robot or gundam shows then you will see how difference of gundam or transformerz or other robots!!!!

^__^

thats all peaceout yah

Gundam Wins!

No weaknesses? You mean other than the fact that a Gundam gets a nice shot in the back, it goes kaboom?

Gundams have weaknesses. Every Gundam has a weakness. From the original series up to the new 00.

To say "a Gundam is more destructive, more strong because it has no weaknesses" is a false comment all around.

Yes, a Gundam will have a good amount of agility. Up to their thruster capacity. However, a Transformer, going up against a Gundam, could easily duck in and out of cover.

Lets not forget that the Transformers have been at war for millenia. So they're pretty good at what they do.

Alien Robot Logic > Human Logic

Going up against a Gundam, what would be the first thing to happen? Well, if it's a Decepticon, they're going after the human inside. If it's an Autobot, they'll probably get onto the back of the Gundam and try to disable it without harming the human.

Now, for the weaponry. Gundam's have nice beam technology. However, the weapons can only be utilized in weaponry big enough for a giant mobile suit. While a Transformer has equally powerful weaponry(in some cases) on a very small scale.

Not to mention Alien Armor > Human manufactured mobile suit armor.

Yes, a shot taken full on from a Gundam Beam weapon would destroy a Transformer in one shot, given it's not one of the combiners. But the Transformers have a vast array of weapons. Ironhide alone with his chemical cannon could easily take out a gundam.

I'm not saying that the Transformers have no weaknesses.

But this fight, the Transformers have the advantage, easily. Essentially the fight boils down to a equal of shooting ants with a .45. Or similiar to the little people taking down Gulliver in Gulliver travels.

Wing 0's buster rifles can each take out several transformers easy. plus there is the zero system to consider which increases the reaction time of the pilot emensly and as most suits reactions and agility relise on the reflexes of the pilot this evens ot the size differenal. as for weapon strength it is mostly absorbed by the gundanium which has proven time and again to be able to stand up to high inpact rounds and high powered energy weapons with little effect on the overall proformance of the gundam.but also i think that tactics would play a part in this battle as the transformers seem to favor small scale skermishes where i know that at least the 'wing' pilots would use ambush tactics and the heavy hitters of the transformers would likly be taken out with out bringing their weapons to bear so i say that at least the 'wing' gundams have the greater chance of victory over the transformers.

Wing 0's buster rifles can each take out several transformers easy. plus there is the zero system to consider which increases the reaction time of the pilot emensly and as most suits reactions and agility relise on the reflexes of the pilot this evens ot the size differenal. as for weapon strength it is mostly absorbed by the gundanium which has proven time and again to be able to stand up to high inpact rounds and high powered energy weapons with little effect on the overall proformance of the gundam.but also i think that tactics would play a part in this battle as the transformers seem to favor small scale skermishes where i know that at least the 'wing' pilots would use ambush tactics and the heavy hitters of the transformers would likly be taken out with out bringing their weapons to bear so i say that at least the 'wing' gundams have the greater chance of victory over the transformers.

The transformers could just bring the TFs from Energon forward to take the blasts. They've taken blasts thousands of times more powerful than Wing 0 zero can dish out.

Just curious, but how is everyone gauging this power? As the two sides have never met how would you compare armour and weapons? Gundam takes itself a lot more seriously than Transformers and the two worlds wouldn't really mesh without a lot of re-writing and filling out of technologies on the Transformers side.

I think it would be a pretty badass war though if the Autobots teamed up with some Gundams against the the Decepticons and their own mobile suit using human sympathizers.

Inferno Prime wrote:

Wing 0's buster rifles can each take out several transformers easy. plus there is the zero system to consider which increases the reaction time of the pilot emensly and as most suits reactions and agility relise on the reflexes of the pilot this evens ot the size differenal. as for weapon strength it is mostly absorbed by the gundanium which has proven time and again to be able to stand up to high inpact rounds and high powered energy weapons with little effect on the overall proformance of the gundam.but also i think that tactics would play a part in this battle as the transformers seem to favor small scale skermishes where i know that at least the 'wing' pilots would use ambush tactics and the heavy hitters of the transformers would likly be taken out with out bringing their weapons to bear so i say that at least the 'wing' gundams have the greater chance of victory over the transformers.

The transformers could just bring the TFs from Energon forward to take the blasts. They've taken blasts thousands of times more powerful than Wing 0 zero can dish out.

Didn't Cyb Prime Or Galvatron survive a black hole eruption or something absurd like that?? That whole series was ridiculous.