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Evil_the_Nub wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The wikipedia page has Demolisher separate form the rest of the constructicons so he might not even be one, just coincidentally a construction vehicle.

Why are poeple believing the Wikipedia page? Demolisher and Scavenger are the same figure. Demolisher has "SCVNGR" written on him. The only questionable figure is Overload.

I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility. There isn't enough info to know for sure yet. Although Demolisher's bio says when he came to earth Megatron was destroyed, but in the trailers we see the Constructicons are the ones who revived him. So he does seem to be on his own alot for someone who's part of a combiner team.

There is enough info, Demolisher is Scavenger. Overload is the unknown.

T-Macksimus wrote:Several of us already had this fight in a couple of other threads. To make the toy on this scale AND give it all the same functionality as what the Deluxe and Voyager components have would leave you with a floppy, fall-apart, frustrating piece of crap that only (some) collectors would be able to tolerate and no kid in Hasbros target demographic would be able to play with and enjoy without breaking it almost immediately or having it frustrate him inside of 5 minutes and I don't give a rats ass what anyone thinks to the contrary. It's just that simple. They cannot do it and retain ALL the proper characteristics so they went with pleasing the little kids since that's their meal ticket.

I don't buy it.

I won't apologize for Hasbro and the design team being lazy in this instance.

What could have been, should have been.

I'm not into collecting Transformers that could just as well be Megazords.

Sabrblade wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The wikipedia page has Demolisher separate form the rest of the constructicons so he might not even be one, just coincidentally a construction vehicle.

Why are poeple believing the Wikipedia page? Demolisher and Scavenger are the same figure. Demolisher has "SCVNGR" written on him. The only questionable figure is Overload.

I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility. There isn't enough info to know for sure yet. Although Demolisher's bio says when he came to earth Megatron was destroyed, but in the trailers we see the Constructicons are the ones who revived him. So he does seem to be on his own alot for someone who's part of a combiner team.

Um, of course Megatron was destroyed when the Constructicons came to Earth. Otherwise, they wouldn't be reviving him if he wasn't destroyed.

Ok I missed one part, his bio said he went into hiding because Megatron was destroyed. Which means he must have gotten to Earth before the rest of the Constructicons. It's probably one giant plot device to keep the Constructicins separate until the end, otherwise they would combine any time they felt like it.

Holy $#@^!
what a piece of crap!
EPIC Fail Hasbro, epic fail!
Unless Target gets an "Exclusive" G1 repaint, then no

bumble_bee_68 wrote:Holy $#@^!
what a piece of crap!
EPIC Fail Hasbro, epic fail!
Unless Target gets an "Exclusive" G1 repaint, then no

Sorry, but I don't think green and purple can fix this sorry excuse.

I guess if I had a choice between this and 6 Constructicons that don't form Devistator I rather have this.I'm the type of collector that wouldn't even bother with the individual robots I just want the big guy.None of my gastults will probably even see individual robot mode again unless I move.So I will most likely get this over the other Constructicons.

GetterDragun wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

GetterDragun wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The wikipedia page has Demolisher separate form the rest of the constructicons so he might not even be one, just coincidentally a construction vehicle.

Why are poeple believing the Wikipedia page? Demolisher and Scavenger are the same figure. Demolisher has "SCVNGR" written on him. The only questionable figure is Overload.

Nah all this confusion was started by the writers, stating that Overload is part of Devastator and that Scavenger and Demolisher are two different characters while Demolisher's not even a Constructicon.
We'll know everything once the movie comes out.

but yea, I wouldn't trust wikipedia and go with tfwiki who still have Demolisher and Scavenger listed as one and the same guy till there is proof that they really are separate.

The confusion is not over Demolisher and Scavenger, that was done by Hasbro...the confusion over the 7th constructicon is that Overload is listed ans the Takara Legends have 7 figures to make up Devestator.

I know he's listed as one of them, but he was also confirmed by the writers as being the seventh Constructicon, long before we saw the Legends version.

vulgar_wraith wrote:I guess if I had a choice between this and 6 Constructicons that don't form Devistator I rather have this.I'm the type of collector that wouldn't even bother with the individual robots I just want the big guy.None of my gastults will probably even see individual robot mode again unless I move.So I will most likely get this over the other Constructicons.

My thoughts exactly

With all the bitching going on over this thing I would say something to effect of "oh well, more for me..." except I'm pretty sure most people around here will, in all honesty, be buying a LOT of the stuff they are currently swearing they won't...

All I think is that Hasbro wants our money.
That's probably why they made deluxe and voyager versions of them .

DCybertron wrote:All I think is that Hasbro wants our money.
That's probably why they made deluxe and voyager versions of them .

Wo... you think?

DCybertron wrote:All I think is that Hasbro wants our money.
That's probably why they made deluxe and voyager versions of them .

Or maybe it's just to sell toys.

T-Macksimus wrote:I don't give a rats ass what anyone thinks to the contrary. It's just that simple.

To make the toy on this scale AND give it all the same functionality as what the Deluxe and Voyager components have would leave you with a floppy, fall-apart, frustrating piece of crap that only (some) collectors would be able to tolerate and no kid in Hasbros target demographic would be able to play with and enjoy without breaking it almost immediately or having it frustrate him inside of 5 minutes and they cannot do it and retain ALL the proper characteristics so they went with pleasing the little kids since that's their meal ticket.

All I hope for is that this thing is NEVER released in G1 colors...EVER!

I edited and reorganized your comment.

First, the only people that use those kinds of words are those that have developed a level of hate for anyone who can prove their point over your beliefs...

Second, Haven't you ever heard of the new fangled-dangled gizmotech known as Pegs and Holes? You know, peg the bot kibble in place when forming a Devastator part? That creates stability and the articulated detail you are seeking. Yeah, it's expensive using new engineering techniques like the Peg and Hole, or worse yet... The Clip!

Third, I didn't think hasbro would have, until I saw somebody say they don't want G1 colors. Now it's inevitable.

T-Macksimus wrote:The rest of it, as far as both sets of toys go (this thing and the other Deluxe/Voyager components) make for a festering crap-pile and it will be a total insult to give these...things... G1 Constructicon colors.

So you start your post by viciously attacking those that say hasbro could have done better and finish by saying its a piece of crap that you're not going to buy anyway because it insults G1...

So what are you so mad about? Getting to keep an extra $200? If it bothers you that much you can send it to me and I'll put the money to good use.

I origionally said that this would be the Devestator set I would buy. I love big TF's. I will not be paying $100 for it though. I am just going to buy the legends one when I see it and hope I can find the big one on clearance somewhere.

This guy is going to be on display as Devestator though, so I can sacrifice the individual robots for the combined detail on this one.

Serpent O - R wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:I don't give a rats ass what anyone thinks to the contrary. It's just that simple.

To make the toy on this scale AND give it all the same functionality as what the Deluxe and Voyager components have would leave you with a floppy, fall-apart, frustrating piece of crap that only (some) collectors would be able to tolerate and no kid in Hasbros target demographic would be able to play with and enjoy without breaking it almost immediately or having it frustrate him inside of 5 minutes and they cannot do it and retain ALL the proper characteristics so they went with pleasing the little kids since that's their meal ticket.

All I hope for is that this thing is NEVER released in G1 colors...EVER!

I edited and reorganized your comment.

First, the only people that use those kinds of words are those that have developed a level of hate for anyone who can prove their point over your beliefs...

Second, Haven't you ever heard of the new fangled-dangled gizmotech known as Pegs and Holes? You know, peg the bot kibble in place when forming a Devastator part? That creates stability and the articulated detail you are seeking. Yeah, it's expensive using new engineering techniques like the Peg and Hole, or worse yet... The Clip!

Third, I didn't think hasbro would have, until I saw somebody say they don't want G1 colors. Now it's inevitable.

T-Macksimus wrote:The rest of it, as far as both sets of toys go (this thing and the other Deluxe/Voyager components) make for a festering crap-pile and it will be a total insult to give these...things... G1 Constructicon colors.

So you start your post by viciously attacking those that say hasbro could have done better and finish by saying its a piece of crap that you're not going to buy anyway because it insults G1...

So what are you so mad about? Getting to keep an extra $200? If it bothers you that much you can send it to me and I'll put the money to good use.

I should start by apologizing for some of the attitude that came out in that post. Some but not all since playing nicely with others just doesn't seem to be appreciated these days and all attempts to appeal to logic and reason are met with hostility and derisiveness anyway. It's not as if I approached the design aspects and the pitfalls that the design team would have to go through lightly. I put more thought into possible designs of this toy than I did into articualting such thoughts into a non-offensive post, that much is obvious but by this point I am far from caring about which of you is offended. I will state the some comments were very much personal opinion and I should have stated as much. While I defend the fact that Hasbro had a design issue that, despite what many may think, could not not be reasonably overcome, I cannot say that their end solution was the greatest of ideas and I think that given the state of the economy, it will backfire and this project will be a loss for them. As for any of my other opinions on Hasbro or their products, especially those in the ROTF and Universe Lines, I find them to be on the decline as far as quality and any inspiration of design and my opinion of Hasbro in general is far from complimentary. At least with Hasbro I'm able to step back and see some of the challenges they have to face and harder decisions they have to make whereas the folks attacking me have have yet to give me any pause for thought or cross-consideration. My decision there is pretty cut-and-dried.

The afore mentioned flaws aside, I, personally, am grateful to have this Devastator. Even if he doesn't break down into seperate bots, even if he costs a hundred bucks. In the past, I've always bought TWO sets of combiners; one set that could be displayed in seperate robot form, and one that could be displayed in combined form. So in this case, I'm going to be getting some constructicons that Hasbro has dedicated to look darn good in robot form, and a set that looks awesome as Devastator, rather than having to purchase two sets of the same darn thing.
This, to me represents a better value in the long run, based on the way I personally display my bots.

I just thought of this possibility. The Legends figures are all the same size, whereas the Constructicons that make Devastator are not. Demolisher is bigger than the others and would make up a large portion of Devastator. So in order to make up that extra space they had to make another bot. That explains why the Legends has 7 where the supreme has 6. They needed to make up the space that Demolisher's extra size added.

Postby Kibble on Sun May 24, 2009 7:52 pm
"I don't mind that so many of the ROTF figures suck. If they were all great it would be one expensive ass summer!"

Good point, Kibble.

Blurrz wrote:

DCybertron wrote:All I think is that Hasbro wants our money.
That's probably why they made deluxe and voyager versions of them .

Wo... you think?

You really should be a carpenter. You hit it on the head everytime.

HighPrime wrote:

HighPrime wrote:Pass. These guys must be able to change into robots for me to pick it up. It's ironic, really. If this were labeled 'Voltron' or something, not changing into robots would be acceptable.

Finally, I guarantee some store will get this as an exclusive re-colored G1 Devastator. I speculate the 'Scavenger' name was applied (or reserved) because of this. Maybe I'll pick up, then. See how the pricing works out.

Yeah, it's a bummer the Voyagers won't combine. I was really hoping they would. As far as the G1 repaint potential, that has me hoping once again for this figure. I still want to see it in person.