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RhA wrote:I don't like 3rd party stuff, they horribly feed of Hasbro's ideas and properties. So there's that.
But ehm... Where do you get that this tuff costs $1 to make? Design, shipping, packaging, production, assembly, paint, material... All for $1?
It all reads like you are a frustrated windowshopper.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Yeah, cost of materials only goes so far. Plus, the $1 KOs aren't exactly ... quality. Most of them are a cheap POS that can barely pass muster as a playable toy.
But, yeah, you're not the first to balk at the price of Herc / 3rd party products / exclusives. They're all very expensive and they're only as much as someone is willing to pay for them. There's good points on either end of the spectrum.
And it's not safe to assume someone will KO Herc. Not every 3rd party product or Botcon exclusive is KOed.
Bravo2010 wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Yeah, cost of materials only goes so far. Plus, the $1 KOs aren't exactly ... quality. Most of them are a cheap POS that can barely pass muster as a playable toy.
But, yeah, you're not the first to balk at the price of Herc / 3rd party products / exclusives. They're all very expensive and they're only as much as someone is willing to pay for them. There's good points on either end of the spectrum.
And it's not safe to assume someone will KO Herc. Not every 3rd party product or Botcon exclusive is KOed.
Ya, true, I was a little off by saying $1 but not by much, And yes you are so right about what people are willing to pay. RIGHT NOW ON EBAY, there's a painted Hercules figure up for sale and the highest bid so far is $1250.00 for a RE PAINTED Hercules complete set.
And no not every figure does get K/Oed but since TFC has NO legal rights to the image I'm very confident this will be cloned (NOT KO'ed) people wont even be able to tell the difference just like with Crazydevy's custom set. and $1250 for a Hercules, wow.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*sigh* Here we go, yet again. First up, this thread belongs in the Knock-Offs and 3rd Party Toys sub-forum in the Toy Forum.
The reason why those things are so expensive is because they're made by small fry, with small production runs. It's all statistics, but the same goes for Fun Pub's stuff: the smaller the production run the higher the price relative to volume.
Also, you have to take the rent of the facilities into consideration, not to mention having to plan production inbetween that of other companies, and the quality of materials used. That's nothing to sneeze at, I assure you. And if you must know, I consider most stuff in dollar and liquidator stores a bit sub-par, not to mention they're infested with Knock-Offs.
One final thing: when online stores stock the product, import charges and duties come into play, which can really add up.
Bravo2010 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:*sigh* Here we go, yet again. First up, this thread belongs in the Knock-Offs and 3rd Party Toys sub-forum in the Toy Forum.
The reason why those things are so expensive is because they're made by small fry, with small production runs. It's all statistics, but the same goes for Fun Pub's stuff: the smaller the production run the higher the price relative to volume.
Also, you have to take the rent of the facilities into consideration, not to mention having to plan production inbetween that of other companies, and the quality of materials used. That's nothing to sneeze at, I assure you. And if you must know, I consider most stuff in dollar and liquidator stores a bit sub-par, not to mention they're infested with Knock-Offs.
One final thing: when online stores stock the product, import charges and duties come into play, which can really add up.
SIGH for me too, The reason these things cost $600 is becuase people will pay $600, Herc could have been sold complete for $300 and still made a large profit. Thanks for the leason but it's flawd. $1 store was an extreme reference as to show a point. Look at the G1 Devastator K/O, It's almost identical to the original with all quality plastics and parts, also A+ packaging, these sell for $65-$95 with large profits being made.
Bravo2010 wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Yeah, cost of materials only goes so far. Plus, the $1 KOs aren't exactly ... quality. Most of them are a cheap POS that can barely pass muster as a playable toy.
But, yeah, you're not the first to balk at the price of Herc / 3rd party products / exclusives. They're all very expensive and they're only as much as someone is willing to pay for them. There's good points on either end of the spectrum.
And it's not safe to assume someone will KO Herc. Not every 3rd party product or Botcon exclusive is KOed.
Ya, true, I was a little off by saying $1 but not by much, And yes you are so right about what people are willing to pay. RIGHT NOW ON EBAY, there's a painted Hercules figure up for sale and the highest bid so far is $1250.00 for a RE PAINTED Hercules complete set.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:I'm also pretty sick of people signing up to the forums and making uneducated rants about something they don't like and understand.
If Takara or Hasbro offered this for $600 people would be very angry.
If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at Hasbro/Takara. They could have produced these figures for $20 - $30 a piece.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:If Takara or Hasbro offered this for $600 people would be very angry.
Well, Hasbro has a wide distribution network and CAN make this cheaper. So, yeah ... people would feel pretty ripped off. But in comparison to other figures of this type (Warbot Defender, Delicate Warrior, Knight Morpher), the price is, reletively, reasonable.
Emphasis on reletively.If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at Hasbro/Takara. They could have produced these figures for $20 - $30 a piece.
Yeesh, voyagers cost me MUCH more than $20. After taxes, that's how much a deluxe costs here in Canada.
IF they were willing to bank on kid's parents buying all six then, yeah they *could* make it. But seeing as they're just now making a decent Bruticus (at deluxe size), I tend to doubt it'd happen.
Bravo2010 wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:If Takara or Hasbro offered this for $600 people would be very angry.
Well, Hasbro has a wide distribution network and CAN make this cheaper. So, yeah ... people would feel pretty ripped off. But in comparison to other figures of this type (Warbot Defender, Delicate Warrior, Knight Morpher), the price is, reletively, reasonable.
Emphasis on reletively.If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at Hasbro/Takara. They could have produced these figures for $20 - $30 a piece.
Yeesh, voyagers cost me MUCH more than $20. After taxes, that's how much a deluxe costs here in Canada.
IF they were willing to bank on kid's parents buying all six then, yeah they *could* make it. But seeing as they're just now making a decent Bruticus (at deluxe size), I tend to doubt it'd happen.
Thanks for the different points, some of which I should have considered more closely, like I stated, I'm going to buy these, probably a lot sooner then later. Im deciding between a couple of distributors. I was just peeved at the cost of admission. And thats a funny statement about kids parents buying them these, With MP's costing $70-$80 per figure at Toys R Us, Im thinking theres not a lot of KIDS buying these. I felt bad for that too, Last time I was at Toys R Us, The average cost of an action figure was $15-$20 for 1 and the really cool/ good stuff costing big $$$. Anyways thanks for listening to my confusing rant. One way i'm peeved but on the other I'm still buying, I hope you understood that too.
Bravo2010 wrote:Sorry if I offended anybody, This was my opinion, one that is shared by others as well. I do have a Medium sized collection of Transformers valued @ around $10,000.00 I know that might not be that large to give me the right to speak about prices. I always do research on anything I plan to buy, and believe it or not I will probably end up buying this. It still doesn't change my opinion on the price. If Takara or Hasbro offered this for $600 people would be very angry. And if Somebody wants to pay $1300 for a painted Hurcules, hey it's their money, IF someone wants to call the guy who painted that an artist thats their right too.
Don't get me worng, I'm not a troll, and was glad to find a site dedicated to Transformers collectors, Im 35, married with 2 kids and don't know anybody that collects TF, so i don't really have anybody who gives a %$#% about the matter and was glad to find a place where's theres people that at least understand what I'm talking about.
Again this was never intended to be a troll fest, just an opinion.. thx
I'm also pretty sick of people signing up to the forums and making uneducated rants about something they don't like and understand.
Bravo2010 wrote:I'm also pretty sick of people signing up to the forums and making uneducated rants about something they don't like and understand.
I'm glad I came here more then any other place, A couple of days ago I was little upset about the cost of something that I really wanted which I believed was over priced. After reading your guys responses I realized these are priced where they should be and are worth it. SO thanks again, I'll be buying this set on my next pay check. Looks like there's a very educated group of collectors here, I would like to know better,, cheers
headsortails wrote:I'm willing to bet that if more people didn't like Herc, this would go in a different direction than it did. I, personally, don't like the set. I see it as an overgrown Lego KO. The cost is too rich for my blood.
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
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