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The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby robofreak » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:08 am

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
8 bit wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:As for over-spending, the main thing that drives me to spend more than I think I should is the availability [or lack of] of certain TF's. Having missed some of my favorite TF's in the past, I tend to hasty decisions on purchases in case it gets sold out.

I think this can be a significant issue to a casual Transformer collector. You really have to make your spending decisions well ahead of time if you want to avoid kicking yourself later on.

On the other hand, if you end up preordering/buying a bunch of figures you don't want, then what are you really accomplishing with your collection?


You've got a point there. The thing is that I also collect other more expensive collectible figs as well, which almost doubles the pressure when making a decision.

I don't usually find myself buying stuff I don't want, but actually having to make a decision on which ones I want MORE.


And I find myself buying things and I don't want and being grateful that I did because the figure ends up being cooler than I thought.

I have no shame in going after every TF line available. Right now, I just need to manage funds until I can go after everything again.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby Skullcrunchberries » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:28 am

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Counterpunch wrote:Diem,

First off, your thoughts and feelings on this are far more common than you might believe. This thread should be a bit of a hint at that.

You have to separate the two things you are dealing with though. The first is the habit of buying and the second is the volume. They are related, but really different issues.

The habit of checking stores and thinking about acquiring all the time is probably the tougher thing to deal with. We all do it, well the ones who collect large volumes of toys. Changing the habit is tough. My advice is to purchase all your new stuff online. Use BBTS or HTS and get a whole wave a once. Take away the need to hunt at all. Even if you're knocking out only 2-3 trips a week. You'll get more comfortable with not stopping by as the fear of losing out will pass.

In regards to volume, this has its own challenge. If you don't have a "goal" for collecting, establishing one is the first thing to do. "All" is not a goal. It's unsustainable. If you don't believe me, start collecting Mini-Cons. We'll race. It'll be fun. (it won't) Point is, if you like Classics, collect Classics and be satisfied. Don't buy toys you really don't want to display along side them. Dark of the Moon is going to be a goat of a toy line. I've seen it. There's a LOT of crap coming our way. Use that as practice to cut down.

In terms of how much you spend and getting crazy with exclusives and rare items, my advice, and what has worked for me is to find a secondary interest. Collect something else. What this will do is put perspective and competition to the prices on Transformers. Some toys don't look as good for $120 when you can get a statue or other rare item of interest.

Lastly, one thing that has worked really well for me is seeing my toys on display en mass. Why that helps is that I can see the differences in quality and worthiness. Space is limited and toys these days need to be worth landing that space on my shelves.


Listen to this man, he's helped me get through just the same situation as you seem to be in.

What I really want to emphasize on his comments though is the idea of a goal for your collecting. What helped me get out of a similar rut was deciding on a very specific target (in my case, creating a storyline consisting of Classics/Neo-Classics characters) and, more importantly, selling off figures that didn't fit in with what I wanted on my shelves. The importance of selling has nothing to do with money, but it helps to quell the urge of "well damn, I know I don't collect Alternity seekers but I only have one left!" Whether you limit your collection to lines, molds, characters, story or whatever criteria you decide is best, keeping your physical collection focused will also help keep YOU focused. There will always be figures outside of your decisions that you'll want, and that's fine; this won't help the urges at all, but it'll help keep it at a more "healthy" level of manifestation. Also I highly recommend CP's suggestion of making sure all of your toys are on display; if nothing else, sheer size limitations can help force you to become more choosy.

In terms of toy hunting, in the real world you can always try shopping at your local retailer for more than just toys, or trying to shop more in the area if it's a toy store. If you're going to an area anyway, it becomes easier to stop in and check the toy aisle when you're going there anyway instead of making an extra trip whenever you're a few minutes away, since you'll always be going there tomorrow, or next week, for X thing anyway. As for online, here's a little trick I like to use: let's say you're on BBTS and you're just about to get that last Alternity seeker (I keep using this example, I know >_>). It seems like such a good price, right? Well, try waiting until you have a half an hour, or ten minutes even, and go through every category they offer and add EVERY single toy you could possibly want into your shopping cart. Then take a look at it. I know you're not concerned with money, but if you're anything like me you'll see that huge number and instead of picking through a list of $30 things, just close the browser and be done with it. Won't always work, and can backfire pretty nastily, but it's helped me narrowly avoid some otherwise regretful purchases.

It's really cool that you felt comfortable enough on here to be honest about a problem that a lot of us share, even if we're not aware of it. Hope some of this has helped, and good luck buddy :3
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby 8 bit » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:56 am

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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:
8 bit wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:As for over-spending, the main thing that drives me to spend more than I think I should is the availability [or lack of] of certain TF's. Having missed some of my favorite TF's in the past, I tend to hasty decisions on purchases in case it gets sold out.

I think this can be a significant issue to a casual Transformer collector. You really have to make your spending decisions well ahead of time if you want to avoid kicking yourself later on.

On the other hand, if you end up preordering/buying a bunch of figures you don't want, then what are you really accomplishing with your collection?


You've got a point there. The thing is that I also collect other more expensive collectible figs as well, which almost doubles the pressure when making a decision.

I don't usually find myself buying stuff I don't want, but actually having to make a decision on which ones I want MORE.

I hadn't considered putting other toylines into the equation; thanks for pointing that out! BTW, I hope I didn’t come off as condescending toward you in my first response. I was asking a general question to anyone who was reading my post.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby SKYWARPED_128 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:16 am

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robofreak wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:You've got a point there. The thing is that I also collect other more expensive collectible figs as well, which almost doubles the pressure when making a decision.

I don't usually find myself buying stuff I don't want, but actually having to make a decision on which ones I want MORE.


And I find myself buying things and I don't want and being grateful that I did because the figure ends up being cooler than I thought.

I have no shame in going after every TF line available. Right now, I just need to manage funds until I can go after everything again.


Cool. With collecting, it's usually better to just buy it if you can afford it, since there's always a chance it'll sell out quickly. The empty space on my shelf where Skystalker and Mindwipe should have been placed can attest to that. I passed twice on them to save funds for a Yamato VF.

In retrospect, I should have just bit the bullet and bought them.

8 bit wrote:
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:You've got a point there. The thing is that I also collect other more expensive collectible figs as well, which almost doubles the pressure when making a decision.

I don't usually find myself buying stuff I don't want, but actually having to make a decision on which ones I want MORE.

I hadn't considered putting other toylines into the equation; thanks for pointing that out! BTW, I hope I didn’t come off as condescending toward you in my first response. I was asking a general question to anyone who was reading my post.


Heheh, I did get the feeling like there was a bit of acid in the last post, but I figured it was probably the way the words were phrased. No worries.

And yeah, any additional toylines can really take up a lot of your TF funds, especially "collector grade" stuff like Yamato VF's and 1/60 scale figures from Hot Toys of Hong Kong.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby alldarker » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:26 am

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alldarker wrote:Well... I actually do have a complete collection of all M.A.S.K. vehicles released


Holy crap, really? Even T-bob and the Split Seconds? That's awesome!

Yup... T-Bob and Scott (toy T-Bob looks nothing like the cartoon T-Bob which always annoyed me) and the Split Seconds too. I think Split Seconds were more readily available in Europe than they were in the US, right? It's too bad that the Split Seconds figures (rubber masks) and vehicle tires are especially susceptible to 'rubber rot' (leaking the weakeners and becoming brittle) :-( so not all of mine are in perfect condition (still looking for a good replacement Jackal/ Barracuda).
The fact that there's practically nothing more to collect from M.A.S.K. (except crappy Argentinian figure pack color variations) really does still give me a warm fuzzy feeling (although I'm still regretting finding out one week too late that a prototype M.A.S.K. Thunderball was sold on e-Bay, a couple of years ago). Dumb thing is: my whole M.A.S.K. collection is in 'deep' storage, so none of them are even on display.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby Breakdown 2099 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:29 pm

Pontimax 01 wrote:Sometimes I buy figures I don't even care for to get a fix. Does this count?

Like the other day, just because of the serious drought that's going on and being tired of not buying anything, I picked up Hailstorm. I just wanted to have something to fiddle with that was fresh and new. Ten minutes after opening him, I thought he was full of suck. Pretty much did the same thing with Drift and ROTF Brawn.



i used to do the same thing sometimes. i finally woke up to myself when i was going to lay down some $$$ for the Tuner Skids figure. I'm doing much better now.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby Period » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:39 am

I haven't followed this whole discussion, but I have to agree with the original post. Right after I got out of high school and got a full time job I started collecting hard-core. If I was to travel to a mall 45 minutes away, I would stop at every Wal-, Target and Toys'r'us on the way (I live in a RI and we have over 7 or 8 Wal-Marts, at least 2 or 3 Targets and 1 Toys'R'Us in our small 45 mile stretch of land!). I would drop money down for toys I didn't even care about. I was one of those collectors. If it was out there, I'd buy it. When I ran out of cash, I'd bring it to a hobby shop trade it in for 1/4 of what I paid for everything and start over. It was sickening. I remember dropping a load of money for these Japanese special edition Hot Rods on ebay. I opened them, checked them out and after a month or so I traded them in for cash. I think I got like 1/3 of what I paid for them.

Fast forward 8 years and I have found that I couldn't keep up with that lifestyle. It drove one girlfriend nuts and then when I met my wife, she was OK with it at first, but then she got sick of it. I realized I had a problem.

For a while I had to pull myself away from collecting anything. I stayed off the message boards (which is why I look like I'm a newbie...can't remember my old login). Once I became aware of what the damage was doing to my life, my credit, my bank account and my relationship with my wife, I knew I couldn't ever go back to collecting regularly.

It wasn't until this past Christmas my wife bought me any Transformers and she did it because she knew I could handle things. I've bought a few HA figures and some movie deluxes. The real bulk of the Transformers I had went to my son.

The best bet for you is to pull back. Tell yourself it's not right to buy every one. It's not right to go to every store. Doing these things will not bring happiness. There will always be that one more toy or one more stop. Pick a line or a sub-line from that line and stick with that. Once you've reached your limit, hold off for a bit and then find another one. Take it slow. Take it easy. Toys should be fun, not a hassle.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby bigern226 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:33 pm

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My mother and father had a falling out and my Mom packed my brother and I into a VW bus with whatever toys she could gather and left Maryland for FL. Most of my toys were left behind including the trailer to my Rodimus Prime :(. My Father came down for about a year and bought me several figures and headmasters and some ghostbusters toys. My mother remarried a year later and she chose a man who did not believe in toys and took it upon himself to destroy them all over the years. I lost my entire transformers collection.



I got into collecting as an adult due to a similar situation. It was not nearly as dramatic as yours, but basically had the same end result. As a kid, I had many Transformers and can remember sitting next to my bed at night, looking out the window and wishing on the first star I saw for the new six-changer at the time. I'm pretty ashamed that now I can't remember his name. It wasn't Sixhot, I know that. Maybe it didn't have 6 modes, I don't know. But I digress. My parents were in the military so we moved around a lot, and in the process many toys were lost.

I had lost intrest in the meantime as I went to junior high and high school (plus I hate the Beast Wars line). But when I entered college, the R.I.D. line was coming out and I saw Optimus in a store and picked him up. Since then I have amassed about 300 TFs. Most notably Masterpiece Starscream, Skywarp, Optimus Prime, and Grimlock.

I too can't resist the urge to visit the toy aisle at Wallyworld or Target. I must go once a week at least, but I can always resist the urge to buy crap. Just like Beast Wars I never liked Animated either.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby SN95 Cobra R » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:39 am

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Reading all these replies let's me know I'm a casual fan. I purchased a glass case from IKEA and only put what I can fit in it. It's pretty much full now so I'm only going after those new stray generations and whatever they call those FP Bruticus parts. Before I made the case rule I would impulse buy on eBay. Something else I do in everyday life is ask myself if I LIKE whatever the item is I'm considering buying or do I LOVE it. I don't buy things I just LIKE. And I when I sometimes feel the need to buy someting at a store I'll carry the item around like I'm gonna buy it until that need, which I assume is just a dopamine release in my brain, goes away and I drop it wherever I'm standing and leave. I did that with Drift just yesterday. I don't really want him but there is nothing new being stocked.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby Genocide G2.0 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:12 am

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i must be sick in the head this month ive spent over £250 on transformers getting 90% of the Generations line and others the high is wearing off and i feel a bit sick,
I keep reminding myself ive saved money in the future months not having to buy them and i now have a massive chunk of Neo G1 to be content with well untill Rumble & Frenzy show up and the next waves.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby Twitchythe3rd » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:32 pm

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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby 666-SHOT » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:03 pm

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Wow this is a deep thread. I once had a huge collection. And I mean HUGE. I had a dude offer me a crap ton of money for it and sold it all off. Out of all the toy lines i had collected and sold over the years, it REALLY hurt putting all of those Transformers in those shipping boxes man. Soafter a few years of buying and selling everything from GI Joe to Marvel Legends, i am back. I have limited my collection to my TRUE Transformers love.....Classic-verse transformers. And I vow to NEVER sell them all off again. (unless i am on the brink of eating out of a trash can ha.)

I know the feeling of spending a ceetian amount and saying "i will stop here." or "all i have to get are these few more figures and i will be satisfied." Truth is, we will never be satisfied as TF collectors. Too much stuff comes out too quickly. From Botcon and store exclusives to new lines to even KOs that i want in my collection it never stops. So, in part, the coolest thing about this vast universe can also be the collectors demise. He'll, i only do Classic-verse and i am all caught up....but, every time i turfy head, their is a new 3rd party add-on or special edition i do not want to miss out on.

I think overall....if we have any bad or ill feelings toward any aspect of our collecting....or think it affects you financially, mentally or even physically in an adverse way....it's time to stop. Too much of anything can kill haha. Glad i do not feel this way. I find ways to make double the cash off of toys that i am spending on them and have no Ill-emotions toward collecting.

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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby PrymeStriker » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:15 pm

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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby IceWilly » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:56 am

I haven't had a chance to read the thread in its entirety yet, but I'll throw my opinions into the ring for the ones concerned about it to chew on.


I have enjoyed Transformers since G1. I am 27 now, and born in 84. I was a little late to the party as a child, but some of my most fond childhood memories revolve around transformers as gifts and being a fan of the shows. It's something that is part of me, and being an engineer and extremely mechanical focused, jives with my personality. Maybe this makes it a little more "normal" for me to appreciate them than others, but I don't think thats part of it. For a time I seriously was looking into working at Hasbro designing them as a serious career move, but ultimately the opportunities to do what I wanted were not in this country and did not fit my career goals.

I would lump myself into the more "controlled" spenders when referring to the hardcore fanbase. My spending has varied over the years as my life situation changed. In college I didn't spend much because I had no money. After college and with a new job I spent more, but it was during Armada.

In the end it has been relatively easy for me to pinpoint what I care about in my collecting hobby. I don't have a desire to buy things for the sake of having something to lust after or something new to play with. I bought a lot of the movie toys because I liked the engineering of them and the design. Going back I wouldn't have bought them, but that doesn't mean that they were impulse buys.

I suppose the only thing I can say that might be useful is... a hobby is more fun when its focused. Because I KNOW what i want to collect and what will really get me excited, its fun to wait for it. If going to the store and buying a random TF fed my craving, than I would look at myself as a poor fan who had no focus on what he enjoyed.

Because I know what I like, I know what I value, and I know what I will value in 5-10 years... I have no problem spending money on those things. They are of a relatively finite amount, and at some point it will mostly be complete. Knowing this lets me become more excited when I finally slot the perfect pieces into their homes, thus crossing off something from the final list.

As not fun as this may be for some people to realize.... there is a lot more to life than hobbies, at least just the TF hobby. If you don't have anything else to think about... then you really need to make some changes in your life so that you broaden it. We are all here because we share the same love for these plastic, non functional items. I just think in general people these days get too focused on diving so headfirst into things as a way to consume their time, instead of realizing that they can still enjoy it and enjoy the rest of their life at the same time.

and for reference... my spending since July 2009 on transformers/TF related purchases is around $3500. I consider this a lot, but maybe 800 of that was for kitbashing equipment, airbrushes, materials and the like. During this time I have discovered what I want to focus on and how I will adapt my hobby to be more cohesive with my life going forward. Much of this money I spent was only because I had to act in a timely fashion on expensive purchases that fit into this plan.
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Re: The Plastic Crack: a serious discussion.

Postby Court Jester » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:25 am

Wow, any thread subtitled: "a serious discussion" on a fansite is just a magnet for trolls like me to get in a few good hurtful remarks. But in all honesty this is making me want to quit collecting the figures all together. Several points here:

1. Storage
2. Costs
3. Sanity
4. Advent of the video review
5. QC
6. Same ol story (but the comics are bad ass)
7. High cost 3rd party items
8. Craptacular live action commercial movie
9. Made in China
10. The superiority complex of the uberfan takes all the fun outta making them pissy (why don't they get that I get that they know trivial **** at which I'm poking fun? parenthetical supreme, numbnuts).

There's more, but you probably don't wanna hear it. On the topic of addiction - duh, winning?!
Well, this was fun... thanks alot, insomnia. BTW the title is misleading; I thought it'd be about my new hobby... LIFELIKE SEX DOLLS! Gotta be a fansite for those bitchez. WOOT!
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