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Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby fenrir72 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:14 pm

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:lol: Izzat the stereotypical look of a toy scalper?

Like JZGR said, there will come a time when them scalpers get stuck with too much inventory due to their dastardly deeds.

I remember back then when FP was just about to release City Commander, thank Primus I managed to buy an Ultra Magnus/Optimus Prime two pack before the whole speculator/scalper bug spread.

At least I managed to buy one. Now, hah! You'll be lucky to get a UM under US$ 50.00. Scalping really is a bane to us collectors. But I follow the motto: "you win some, you loose some" No need to sell your kidney or loose some sleep. Just be patient and maybe, fate willing,your "holy grail" figure will be found eventually.

Examples (took 25 years) G1 Protectobot parts (arms and legs), Menasor/Motormaster torso complete, Encore Bruticus, Double dealer, TFA Takara Arcee etc. Managed to get them all just below scalper level prices.

I hope to be able to score a RTS Windcharger eventually.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Prime Riblet » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:25 pm

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Prime Riblet wrote:I admit that it truly pisses me off to have not even seen a single Warpath, but whatever. Oh well.





I've never seen a Warpath in stores either. But that's just poopy Hasbro distribution - not scalpers, right?



I believe that to be the case.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Soundwave99 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:13 am

Cyber Bishop wrote:First PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL. No name calling PERIOD. I am interested in getting fellow collectors opinions on scalping

Through the years I have heard all the reasons why people buy collectables, then turn around slap "rare" on them and sell them on ebay.
The one reason that always rubbed me the wrong way is:
"I sell the extra to pay for my toy collecting habit"
I say this, you want to pay for your habit, then get another job to support it. I have worked ONE job and still manage to swing by with what I want to buy. Do not rob other collectors the joy of waling into a store and finding the new latest and greatest toys.

Another one is "oh I am helping out fellow collectors"
No. Sorry but this does not work, you want to "help" then sell them for what it cost you to pick them up. Don't factor gas because to be honest it does not matter if gas is $4 a gallon or $2, you went to the store to pick up something for yourself and just so happened to picked up extras. If gas it too much for you then simply stop collecting and you won't waste gas driving around to look for toys.

Please discuss this and keep it civil as I am interested in others views on the subject.


I'm going to be blunt here. I just don't understand this kind of thinking. We live in a capitalist society here in the U.S., people are free to make money any legal way they see fit. Why do you think it's ok for you to tell others how they should earn money to pay for a toy collecting habit or anything else for that matter?

Also, there is no right to walk into a store and find the latest and greatest anything. If you want that experience, you better beat other people to it, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm not trying to be rude, just giving my opinion like you asked for.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby joesaysso » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:24 am

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Yep, finally somebody said it.

Look, as a collector, the practice of scalping is an annoying one. Especially, when I go to stores and can't find what I'm after. As a collector, I wish the practice didn't exist and that the shelves were full of all of the transformers I ever wanted when I go into the store.

As an adult, who has a family to feed and bills to pay, I understand the need to have money and I can't fault somebody else for trying to cash in. This is the way the world works. Newsflash: money is important.

What bothers me most about the scalper debate, (and I'm not accussing anybody, so relax peeps) is the people who buys from scalpers and then complain about it later. The scalper argument and the KO argument are the same thing, if you have some sort of moral objection to their existence, then don't support them. Scalping and KOs only exist because there is a demand and people can't seem to help themselves.

It was said back on page 1, people only pay what they are willing to pay. If you bought something for a high price from a scalper and regretted it later, thats your fault not the scalper's. Back in 2000-ish, whenever the PS2 was new, I bought one from a scalper off of ebay for nearly 200 bucks more than it was going for in stores. The reasons were, it was sold out, I wanted it now, and I had the money to spend on it. I never once gave it a second thought later down the road and I never once regretted it. I got what I wanted and I paid what I was willing.

When it comes to toys, what I'm willing to pay is a little more restricted because there are so many toys. If I can't find what I'm looking for in the stores, then I buy from a legit online store. I'd rather pay shipping to a legit store than a mark-up and shipping to a scapler. I only look for deals off of ebay. That way, whenever I buy something off of ebay, I never feel like I got scalped.

Like Justin Beiber, the neighbor's cats, and other people's kids, scalpers annoy me but I can't fault them for their existence. I condition my behaviors and buying habits so that they don't have a major impact on my life.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:01 am

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Soundwave99 wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:First PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL. No name calling PERIOD. I am interested in getting fellow collectors opinions on scalping

Through the years I have heard all the reasons why people buy collectables, then turn around slap "rare" on them and sell them on ebay.
The one reason that always rubbed me the wrong way is:
"I sell the extra to pay for my toy collecting habit"
I say this, you want to pay for your habit, then get another job to support it. I have worked ONE job and still manage to swing by with what I want to buy. Do not rob other collectors the joy of waling into a store and finding the new latest and greatest toys.

Another one is "oh I am helping out fellow collectors"
No. Sorry but this does not work, you want to "help" then sell them for what it cost you to pick them up. Don't factor gas because to be honest it does not matter if gas is $4 a gallon or $2, you went to the store to pick up something for yourself and just so happened to picked up extras. If gas it too much for you then simply stop collecting and you won't waste gas driving around to look for toys.

Please discuss this and keep it civil as I am interested in others views on the subject.


I'm going to be blunt here. I just don't understand this kind of thinking. We live in a capitalist society here in the U.S., people are free to make money any legal way they see fit. Why do you think it's ok for you to tell others how they should earn money to pay for a toy collecting habit or anything else for that matter?

Also, there is no right to walk into a store and find the latest and greatest anything. If you want that experience, you better beat other people to it, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm not trying to be rude, just giving my opinion like you asked for.


There is such a thing as decency, you know? They plainly choose ignore the pain of consumers caused by their actions, which I find to be really unfair.

One could also think if it this way. If one really wants to make money with a "virtual store" on EBay or any other auction site, one could easily register at a Chamber of Commerce, buy stock from a distributor while anticipating which figures are shortpacked and thus become rare, then sell it.
I can live with that, as everyone gets an equal chance of getting what one wants: business for "scalpers" yet the larger companies can still have stock for consumers (kids and collectors) to buy. That's how capitalistic economy is intended to work, folks. ;)
Finally, I'll close with this, a scalper's nightmare:

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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby decepta-scott » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:41 am

My opinion is that scalpers suck. If you are a scalper and claim to be a fan of the line you are scalping figures of then you should know you are more than likely damaging the line. I collected the 2000 motu line and had to buy a vast majority of my figures online. The line was notorious for being short packed and yet the "avid fans" of motu would get on heman.org and talk about buying up all the secondary figures. This practice killed the motu line. Although the transformers line has its problems hasbro isnt making mistakes with packaging as bad as mattel made. for that reason I doubt that the transformers line will be discontinued due to extreeme scalping but it can certainly be damaged by it. I can promise you that if it ever gets even half as hard to find figures from the transformers line as it wasto find the figures from the 2000mnotu line I will cease to collect them. I ofcourse can only speak for myself but I am sure that alot of others would agree with me and wouild take the same action if it became to difficult to procure figures. For me more than half the fun is finding the new figs ot the shelf. It brings back that nastalgic feeling of being a kid. When you not only are forced to resort to ebay to buy them but also have to pay double/tripple what they are worth as well it is just not fun anymore. Screw looking at it from their point of view. Scalpers stink!!!

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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby fenrir72 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:19 am

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@ Soundwave99.

In a true capitalist economy, Law of Supply and Demand, survival of the fittest. That is as much true but........if you manipulate the supply to favor your own interest? Is that true capitalism?

That's what scalpers do, more like a "cartel" (OPEC comes in mind)who fix the supply and the price.

What I would like is for example:

RTS Windcharger compared to the other sucky figs. People will buy WC while the other shelf warms. Under normal conditions (okay some collectors buy two of a figure)if there is too much demand for a particular item, the manufacturer, Hasbro,would then make more to offset the demand at least until the mold eventually breaks ( that was the case with G1 Prime )there was a demand and Hasbro continued to answer it.

In cases like scalpers, there is an "artificial" demand/shortage due to their machinations. Well that ain't capitalism for sure......more like unbridled greed.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby MEGRIMLOCK629 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:24 am

I'm so glad you brought this up. My wife bought me a rotf optimus, Im a g1 guy but its still kinda kool. What do I want to go with it jetfire ofcourse do the stores have him nope and he is double the price on ebay. I guess ill have to wait 5 years and find one at a yardsale for 2 bucks and pray he is complete.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby joesaysso » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:39 am

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decepta-scott wrote: For me, more than half the fun is finding the new figs on the shelf. It brings back that nostalgic feeling of being a kid.


I don't disagree with this at all. However, I would like to point out that it is also a very fun feeling to come home to see a large box waiting for you from some online store. Even though you already know whats inside, its still fun ripping open the box and digging through whatever packing material is in there to get to the treasures that await inside.

I look at it as collecting for the technologically smart generation. Too many people look at the scalper market from the very perspective you do. They want that great feeling of going to the store and finding that gem of a toy waiting for you. And don't get me wrong, so do I. But age and technology have altered the experience from what it used to be when you were a kid, not the scalpers.

Examples: When you were a kid, you went to the store hoping to find that figure that you want so badly. And when you found it, you were over-joyed. Today though, thanks to the internet, you know when and where a specific toy is being released. So when you go looking for it either A) you get it and your happy but not over-joyed because you expected to see it there or B) your mad because you expected it to be there but it wasn't there because they either sold out or the scalpers got them.

Also, back then, neither you or your parents knew what was supposed to be in the store, so if an item got scalped you didn't really know about it and you left the store happy with what you got. Again, thanks to the internet, you know when and where the toys are supposed to be and having this knowledge really ruins the experience when you leave the store not getting what you wanted because for whatever reason it wasn't there.

The fact of the matter is, that experience that you are after, the one where you can feel your eyes light up when you see that toy that you want on the shelves like when you were a kid; it still exists. It exists within today's kids. I see it all of the time when my son walks down the toy aisle. Because the mystery is there for him. He doesn't know what awaits him when he walks down the aisles.

If you want to blame scalpers for ruining your experience then so be it but you might as well blame yourself too. Because by being on the net in forums like this and researching what figures are coming out and when, then you are destroying half of the experience already yourself. Because you are taking away the mystery aspect of toy buying that made the feeling so good when you were a kid. If you want that feeling back, then you need to leave the internet behind for good and keep the mystery in tact. Then walk the toy aisles like a naive child who has no idea what awaits him around the corner. Thats when you'll get your experience back. But don't just blame the scalpers for killing the experience. The experience was forever altered when the internet was created. Its not better or worse now, its just different.

The majority of the nostalgia should come from physically holding and owning the toys. To get what you want, you have to adapt to the way toys are bought in 2011. If you do that, you'll get what you want. If you don't, you'll be a disgruntled collector who blames the scalpers. Its not impossible to get every figure you want without dealing with a scalper, you just have to utilize more resources than simply going to the store.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby alternator77 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:09 am

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i certain respects we are the reason for scalping and its proliferation. we hype up certain figures, we talk about their exclusivity, and we post all the sightings for scalpers to use (dont be naive and think they are not looking) and buy up stock so in many ways we help them make it hard to find these "rare" items.

secondly as far as supply and demand when there is a natural disaster and people need generators for electricity and someone buys them up and inflate the price its price gouging and not capitalism. i know a hurricane wiping out your home is not equivalent in any way, shape, or form the general greed is.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Soundwave99 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:51 am

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Soundwave99 wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:First PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL. No name calling PERIOD. I am interested in getting fellow collectors opinions on scalping

Through the years I have heard all the reasons why people buy collectables, then turn around slap "rare" on them and sell them on ebay.
The one reason that always rubbed me the wrong way is:
"I sell the extra to pay for my toy collecting habit"
I say this, you want to pay for your habit, then get another job to support it. I have worked ONE job and still manage to swing by with what I want to buy. Do not rob other collectors the joy of waling into a store and finding the new latest and greatest toys.

Another one is "oh I am helping out fellow collectors"
No. Sorry but this does not work, you want to "help" then sell them for what it cost you to pick them up. Don't factor gas because to be honest it does not matter if gas is $4 a gallon or $2, you went to the store to pick up something for yourself and just so happened to picked up extras. If gas it too much for you then simply stop collecting and you won't waste gas driving around to look for toys.

Please discuss this and keep it civil as I am interested in others views on the subject.


I'm going to be blunt here. I just don't understand this kind of thinking. We live in a capitalist society here in the U.S., people are free to make money any legal way they see fit. Why do you think it's ok for you to tell others how they should earn money to pay for a toy collecting habit or anything else for that matter?

Also, there is no right to walk into a store and find the latest and greatest anything. If you want that experience, you better beat other people to it, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm not trying to be rude, just giving my opinion like you asked for.


There is such a thing as decency, you know? They plainly choose ignore the pain of consumers caused by their actions, which I find to be really unfair.

One could also think if it this way. If one really wants to make money with a "virtual store" on EBay or any other auction site, one could easily register at a Chamber of Commerce, buy stock from a distributor while anticipating which figures are shortpacked and thus become rare, then sell it.
I can live with that, as everyone gets an equal chance of getting what one wants: business for "scalpers" yet the larger companies can still have stock for consumers (kids and collectors) to buy. That's how capitalistic economy is intended to work, folks. ;)
Finally, I'll close with this, a scalper's nightmare:

MP Megatron: banned from EBay from Lil-Formers. Replace the tag-line with "re-sale of merchandise by non-store owning individuals outlawed". :P


You need to realize fairness has nothing to do with it. Life is not fair. If someone wants to buy up all the stock they find from store shelves to resell they are free to do so. Your argument is just like the OP's. Why do you think it's ok for you to decide how someone else runs a business/makes money? You guys telling others how they should make money is not capitalism, it is the opposite actually.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:00 pm

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That's why we have laws, and in my opinion, they should be adapted to include sclaper scenarios. After all, a famous proverb is "What's right isn't always lawful, and what's lawful isn't always right".

Let's compare scalping toys with the stock exchange, where laws are really strict. In fact, they're so strict it's impossible to scalp. To scalp requires knowledge of what possibly will happen in the future, so you can create an artificial deficit by buying everything up beforehand, like stock you *know* will increase in value in the immediate future. Well guess what: in the stock exchange world that's illegal and will get you jailed.

Not too far off from the material world of toys, except scalping is perfectly legal. Oversight by the government? You be the judge.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Soundwave99 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:26 pm

fenrir72 wrote:@ Soundwave99.

In a true capitalist economy, Law of Supply and Demand, survival of the fittest. That is as much true but........if you manipulate the supply to favor your own interest? Is that true capitalism?

That's what scalpers do, more like a "cartel" (OPEC comes in mind)who fix the supply and the price.

What I would like is for example:

RTS Windcharger compared to the other sucky figs. People will buy WC while the other shelf warms. Under normal conditions (okay some collectors buy two of a figure)if there is too much demand for a particular item, the manufacturer, Hasbro,would then make more to offset the demand at least until the mold eventually breaks ( that was the case with G1 Prime )there was a demand and Hasbro continued to answer it.

In cases like scalpers, there is an "artificial" demand/shortage due to their machinations. Well that ain't capitalism for sure......more like unbridled greed.


Hasbro sends the supply out to stores, once it's put on the shelves, it's first come, first serve. Someone beating you (or anyone else) to the store and buying up what you wanted is not "manipulating" the supply. Again, they have as much right to buy it as you do.

You still have access to supply even if you can't find what you want at retail. That supply just may not be at the price you want to pay. And this where I think most of you have the problem. You feel entitled to certain products at certain prices. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. The market determines the price, not the retail price, and not what you feel something should cost.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Soundwave99 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:33 pm

GoldRabbit,

Certain people get away with insider trading. It just depends who you are and how much money/power you have. Like I said before, life isn't fair.

I'm not completely sure what you are getting at. Are you trying to say we should have laws against selling something for more than you paid?
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:50 pm

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Soundwave99 wrote:GoldRabbit,

Certain people get away with insider trading. It just depends who you are and how much money/power you have. Like I said before, life isn't fair.

I'm not completely sure what you are getting at. Are you trying to say we should have laws against selling something for more than you paid?


No, laws against re-selling product, acquired from regular stores, with a profit. I believe it's already illegal for DVD's. "Licensed for private home viewing only" it says on my I Love Lucy DVD's

If you want to make profit and earn money, get a better job, create a store and register at a Chamber of Commerce, whatever. I wonder, would scalping contribute to Tax Evasion? After all, you're making a profit, and all income, including profits, should be reported to the IRS. :-?

O, and people getting away with it doesn't make it any less illegal.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Court Jester » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:15 pm

I love the concept of stealing. There's nothing better than the feeling that you're getting something for nothing. I twist a purchase to execute an investment in something I never intend to own. But I own it for long enough, and I plan to receive more than I bought for it. Furthermore, I plan to use the profit I gain to buy even more "rare" toys off the shelf that you will want in the future because of some sikwidit 3rd party add on. You will pay for my hobby because I have better timing than you.

There is no true discussion about scalping because I exist to execute a service - the discussion is irrelevant to the exchange of currency per service rendered. My service is to provide access to something that would be more widely accessible without my existence.

Seriously though, I don't scalp. But, I can see why people do. These action figures have the potential to be much more than articles of value to overgrown kids with deep pockets. To me, these toys are meant to be found on shelves for a price affordable to working mothers and fathers (to connect with their kids on the most superficial of levels).

The discussion is enlightening, but still moot:
1. It's the scalpers business to buy the toys you want.
2. It's your business to buy the toy you want by the means you deem necessary to acquire it.
3. There's not a damn thing you, as an individual, can do to put a scalper out of business if others are willing to pay outrageous secondary market prices.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Cyber Bishop » Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:49 pm

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Soundwave99 wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:First PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL. No name calling PERIOD. I am interested in getting fellow collectors opinions on scalping

Through the years I have heard all the reasons why people buy collectables, then turn around slap "rare" on them and sell them on ebay.
The one reason that always rubbed me the wrong way is:
"I sell the extra to pay for my toy collecting habit"
I say this, you want to pay for your habit, then get another job to support it. I have worked ONE job and still manage to swing by with what I want to buy. Do not rob other collectors the joy of waling into a store and finding the new latest and greatest toys.

Another one is "oh I am helping out fellow collectors"
No. Sorry but this does not work, you want to "help" then sell them for what it cost you to pick them up. Don't factor gas because to be honest it does not matter if gas is $4 a gallon or $2, you went to the store to pick up something for yourself and just so happened to picked up extras. If gas it too much for you then simply stop collecting and you won't waste gas driving around to look for toys.

Please discuss this and keep it civil as I am interested in others views on the subject.


I'm going to be blunt here. I just don't understand this kind of thinking. We live in a capitalist society here in the U.S., people are free to make money any legal way they see fit. Why do you think it's ok for you to tell others how they should earn money to pay for a toy collecting habit or anything else for that matter?

Also, there is no right to walk into a store and find the latest and greatest anything. If you want that experience, you better beat other people to it, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm not trying to be rude, just giving my opinion like you asked for.



And I am going to be blunt, you want to have a hobby, then make enough money to support it, do not make someone else pay for your hobby.

For example, my brother in law is big into accessorizing his truck and he has put thousands into it.. Now at his regular job he does not make enough to pay the bills and make due with his hobby so he HAS A SECOND JOB TO PAY FOR HIS HOBBY, and this job does not interfere with anyone else's hobby.

Maybe I come from the "old school" values of you want something WORK for it. Back in my Star Wars collecting days I have had scalpers PAY TRU employees to hold cases in the back for them till they could pick through them. Now how is this "fair" and "capitalist"?
Maybe I am too honest of a person to understand this.

And again it comes to VALUES..

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Why not?
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby gambit020480 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:29 pm

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Scalping is a word created by people who are jealous because they cannot get the product they want at the price they want to pay. Love it or hate it, this is a free trade society. To quote a favorite movie of mine.....

"you no like, you no buy"

Its that simple really. no one is pointing a gun to your head. I paid a Canadiann guy $35 for a Windcharger and someone paid me $30 for a Wreck-Gar. In a perfect world everything would be available at retail, but having the chase figures makes collecting worthwhile. It adds the excitement to the pleasure of owning those rare gems....

Market price is the American way, so if you are American, or hell British too, you must appeciate the benefits of a free market. Having the prices the same on everything would be communist. Your not communist.....are you? :lol:
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby gambit020480 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:34 pm

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Soundwave99 wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:First PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL. No name calling PERIOD. I am interested in getting fellow collectors opinions on scalping

Through the years I have heard all the reasons why people buy collectables, then turn around slap "rare" on them and sell them on ebay.
The one reason that always rubbed me the wrong way is:
"I sell the extra to pay for my toy collecting habit"
I say this, you want to pay for your habit, then get another job to support it. I have worked ONE job and still manage to swing by with what I want to buy. Do not rob other collectors the joy of waling into a store and finding the new latest and greatest toys.

Another one is "oh I am helping out fellow collectors"
No. Sorry but this does not work, you want to "help" then sell them for what it cost you to pick them up. Don't factor gas because to be honest it does not matter if gas is $4 a gallon or $2, you went to the store to pick up something for yourself and just so happened to picked up extras. If gas it too much for you then simply stop collecting and you won't waste gas driving around to look for toys.

Please discuss this and keep it civil as I am interested in others views on the subject.


I'm going to be blunt here. I just don't understand this kind of thinking. We live in a capitalist society here in the U.S., people are free to make money any legal way they see fit. Why do you think it's ok for you to tell others how they should earn money to pay for a toy collecting habit or anything else for that matter?

Also, there is no right to walk into a store and find the latest and greatest anything. If you want that experience, you better beat other people to it, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm not trying to be rude, just giving my opinion like you asked for.



And I am going to be blunt, you want to have a hobby, then make enough money to support it, do not make someone else pay for your hobby.

For example, my brother in law is big into accessorizing his truck and he has put thousands into it.. Now at his regular job he does not make enough to pay the bills and make due with his hobby so he HAS A SECOND JOB TO PAY FOR HIS HOBBY, and this job does not interfere with anyone else's hobby.

Maybe I come from the "old school" values of you want something WORK for it. Back in my Star Wars collecting days I have had scalpers PAY TRU employees to hold cases in the back for them till they could pick through them. Now how is this "fair" and "capitalist"?
Maybe I am too honest of a person to understand this.

And again it comes to VALUES..

Skyfire-5 wrote:To me, these toys are meant to be found on shelves for a price affordable


Why not?




Dude, seriously....market price is not "dishonest". Someone who sells a premium product for premium price does not make it dishonest. If that is true Apple is dishonest for selling an iPad of 2x the cost of a labtop. McDonalds is dishonest for selling you a $1 double cheese when it cost .40 to make. Having all the prices the same on everything is not the attributes of a free market society. No offense, but that is communist.

If you want a Ipod, expect to pay 2x retail over another MP3. If you want a Pizza King pizza, expect to pay 2x over Pizza Hut or Papa John's. And if you want a RTS Grapple, expect to pay 2x more than a DOTM Megatron. Its the American way! :D
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:47 pm

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gambit020480 wrote:If you want a Ipod, expect to pay 2x retail over another MP3. If you want a Pizza King pizza, expect to pay 2x over Pizza Hut or Papa John's. And if you want a RTS Grapple, expect to pay 2x more than a DOTM Megatron. Its the American way! :D


The last example is moot, because they were intended to be roughly the same price, coming from the same company, being in same Size Class, plus the price is only jacked up in the aftermarket. In other words, it's a different kind of animal.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby gambit020480 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:54 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
gambit020480 wrote:If you want a Ipod, expect to pay 2x retail over another MP3. If you want a Pizza King pizza, expect to pay 2x over Pizza Hut or Papa John's. And if you want a RTS Grapple, expect to pay 2x more than a DOTM Megatron. Its the American way! :D


The last example is moot, because they were intended to be roughly the same price, coming from the same company, being in same Size Class, plus the price is only jacked up in the aftermarket. In other words, it's a different kind of animal.




If that is so, why the varying case assortments? Why only have one Megatron DOTM voyager to 3 Primes? Why does Hot Wheels have treasure hunting cars? Why do baseball card companies have chase cards? I'm sorry, but my example is not "moot" as you put it. It is the truth.

Hasbro wants you to buy more cases. They put them in the assortment they are to maximize profit. They know you will pay $25 for a Wheeljack. The only member of the transaction that refers to your example is the big box stores. Hence the reason they have 12 Skullgrins on the shelf. Your way means having to buy 10 Thunderwings to get one single Warpath. I would rather pay the 2x retail than buy stuff I don't need.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby robofreak » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:55 pm

Aftermarket doesn't always hold sway either. Another used on this site is hooking me up with RTS Grappel and Lugnut for what he paid for them after raiding a few Ross stores.

I'm in this conversation very late, and I do have a love hate relationship with scalpers.

Occasionally, if I find something whether it's at a discount retailer, thrift store, or retail and know I can make more money off it, then I'll do it. I usually only do it with items I want though.

I personally don't like scalpers as they are hunting while I am hunting. I had one instance where a guy grabbed a figure just as my hand was going to grab it and he told me to have fun on ebay. later on while I was shopping, I saw he was still in the store with his cart of figures and the idiot left it unattended. I just walked over and grabbed it, went through check out and left.

Yeah, I have no patience for scalping, and I really have no patience for people that are rude like that. I wouldn't have done it had he not snached the figure out of my hand.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby necr0blivion » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:58 pm

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gambit020480 wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:
Soundwave99 wrote:
Cyber Bishop wrote:First PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL. No name calling PERIOD. I am interested in getting fellow collectors opinions on scalping

Through the years I have heard all the reasons why people buy collectables, then turn around slap "rare" on them and sell them on ebay.
The one reason that always rubbed me the wrong way is:
"I sell the extra to pay for my toy collecting habit"
I say this, you want to pay for your habit, then get another job to support it. I have worked ONE job and still manage to swing by with what I want to buy. Do not rob other collectors the joy of waling into a store and finding the new latest and greatest toys.

Another one is "oh I am helping out fellow collectors"
No. Sorry but this does not work, you want to "help" then sell them for what it cost you to pick them up. Don't factor gas because to be honest it does not matter if gas is $4 a gallon or $2, you went to the store to pick up something for yourself and just so happened to picked up extras. If gas it too much for you then simply stop collecting and you won't waste gas driving around to look for toys.

Please discuss this and keep it civil as I am interested in others views on the subject.


I'm going to be blunt here. I just don't understand this kind of thinking. We live in a capitalist society here in the U.S., people are free to make money any legal way they see fit. Why do you think it's ok for you to tell others how they should earn money to pay for a toy collecting habit or anything else for that matter?

Also, there is no right to walk into a store and find the latest and greatest anything. If you want that experience, you better beat other people to it, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm not trying to be rude, just giving my opinion like you asked for.



And I am going to be blunt, you want to have a hobby, then make enough money to support it, do not make someone else pay for your hobby.

For example, my brother in law is big into accessorizing his truck and he has put thousands into it.. Now at his regular job he does not make enough to pay the bills and make due with his hobby so he HAS A SECOND JOB TO PAY FOR HIS HOBBY, and this job does not interfere with anyone else's hobby.

Maybe I come from the "old school" values of you want something WORK for it. Back in my Star Wars collecting days I have had scalpers PAY TRU employees to hold cases in the back for them till they could pick through them. Now how is this "fair" and "capitalist"?
Maybe I am too honest of a person to understand this.

And again it comes to VALUES..

Skyfire-5 wrote:To me, these toys are meant to be found on shelves for a price affordable


Why not?




Dude, seriously....market price is not "dishonest". Someone who sells a premium product for premium price does not make it dishonest. If that is true Apple is dishonest for selling an iPad of 2x the cost of a labtop. McDonalds is dishonest for selling you a $1 double cheese when it cost .40 to make. Having all the prices the same on everything is not the attributes of a free market society. No offense, but that is communist.

If you want a Ipod, expect to pay 2x retail over another MP3. If you want a Pizza King pizza, expect to pay 2x over Pizza Hut or Papa John's. And if you want a RTS Grapple, expect to pay 2x more than a DOTM Megatron. Its the American way! :D


The problem with your rhetoric...? You're giving examples of the original producer setting prices. Hasbro sets the MSRP about $20 for a Voyager figure. It doesn't matter if it's Lugnut, Solar Flare Grappel, etc. The price was set and product was shipped. Hasbro doesn't set the price of Grappel or whatever short-packed figure higher, that would be the secondary market.

If I go to this Pizza King and expect to pay 2x more than I would at another chain pizza restaurant, it's because Pizza King told me that is their price.

I will contend that America is a capitalistic society, and I do enjoy that lifestyle. However, I do not agree with paying over the market price for a figure that's just been released and should be available at that price. Someone running around picking up all the copies of said product to create an artificially created shortfall just to better their own - that's the essence of scalping. It's really not "helping" me one bit.
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Re: Toy scalping.. Lets discuss this

Postby gambit020480 » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:00 pm

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robofreak wrote:Aftermarket doesn't always hold sway either. Another used on this site is hooking me up with RTS Grappel and Lugnut for what he paid for them after raiding a few Ross stores.

I'm in this conversation very late, and I do have a love hate relationship with scalpers.

Occasionally, if I find something whether it's at a discount retailer, thrift store, or retail and know I can make more money off it, then I'll do it. I usually only do it with items I want though.

I personally don't like scalpers as they are hunting while I am hunting. I had one instance where a guy grabbed a figure just as my hand was going to grab it and he told me to have fun on ebay. later on while I was shopping, I saw he was still in the store with his cart of figures and the idiot left it unattended. I just walked over and grabbed it, went through check out and left.

Yeah, I have no patience for scalping, and I really have no patience for people that are rude like that. I wouldn't have done it had he not snached the figure out of my hand.




Well, that sucks. I would never rip the thing out of someones hand. There is a line between being fair and being a jerk. If I drove 30 miles to a Marshall's to get a Wreck-Gar and some kid had the last one in his cart I would not dare take it from them. That is stealing in my OP. If you get there first, great. But what that person done to you constitutes an ass whooping.
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