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Prowl4 wrote:I'm genuinely surprised at the love headmasters are getting I really am. Personally I like stand alone bots and combiners. I don't mind and I accept characters like chromedome, hard head, skullcruncher etc who've always been headmasters but I must say I'm incredibly disappointed to see sentinel prime, galvatron, astrotrain, blurr and scourge be headmasters. To each their own and if you love them good for you but I'm definitely going to save money this year and the disappointment is high with me that these characters won't be stand alone bots.

I really don't see the big deal. The headmasters aren't really my thing either, but most of the bots look really good in this line so I'll likely be collecting most of them. If you don't want to use the headmaster gimmick, then fine, just don't. The only difference is you have to remove the head for the transformation, otherwise that are just like a standalone bot.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I'm genuinely surprised at the love headmasters are getting I really am. Personally I like stand alone bots and combiners. I don't mind and I accept characters like chromedome, hard head, skullcruncher etc who've always been headmasters but I must say I'm incredibly disappointed to see sentinel prime, galvatron, astrotrain, blurr and scourge be headmasters. To each their own and if you love them good for you but I'm definitely going to save money this year and the disappointment is high with me that these characters won't be stand alone bots.

I really don't see the big deal. The headmasters aren't really my thing either, but most of the bots look really good in this line so I'll likely be collecting most of them. If you don't want to use the headmaster gimmick, then fine, just don't. The only difference is you have to remove the head for the transformation, otherwise that are just like a standalone bot.

Well no not really a standalone bot wouldn't need the head removed. Like I said if you like it fair enough but doing this to characters with no prior headmaster history is extremely disappointing.

Surely it can't matter that much just to remove the head when transforming. Plus I think it was inevitable that for hasbro to do headmasters again it would have to be line wide and at all price points. Nothing personal, just business.

ZeroWolf wrote:Surely it can't matter that much just to remove the head when transforming. Plus I think it was inevitable that for hasbro to do headmasters again it would have to be line wide and at all price points. Nothing personal, just business.

It bothers me. It takes away from established characters from their history. Like I said I don't mind characters new or old that are headmasters from the get go but to change sentinel,galvatron, blurr , astrotrain and scourge is disappointing. Especially when they look the right size but personally for me are ruined for being headmasters. I won't be buying the characters I mentioned so works out for me I'll focus on mp, cw and rid.

Wheelie does look well designed.

Couldn't give a crud about Rewind and Stripes and their awful bricky altmodes.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Wheelie does look well designed.

Couldn't give a crud about Rewind and Stripes and their awful bricky altmodes.

Right, 'cuz they've never had those before

Prowl4 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote: I won't be buying the characters I mentioned so works out for me I'll focus on mp, cw and rid.

Heh, I'm the opposite. I don't care for MP, I find RID aesthetically cheap-looking and awful and CW just didn't do it for me at all with it's constant repaints and remolds and feeling 'forced' to buy full teams including figures I couldn't possibly want even in the slightest.

Titans Return is the first time in YEARS where classic style Transformers have really struck a chord with me. I usually prefer the more complex movie-aestehtic but some of the TR designs has really awoken the nostalgia factor in me for certain characters that previous toys of them just never did (big example being Takara's Blurr which just ticks all the boxes for me whereas I had found the Generations Drift-retool from a few years ago completely repellent). Not saying I'm gonna buy every figure. I'm not. But I like that it's much easier to pick and choose with this line than with CW and not feel like I'm missing out on a play feature by not buying more.

And it's not like the head doesn't have a place to go in alt-mode since they pilot the cockpits and such. Which has always appealed to me about the original Headmasters and lines like Human Alliance where you get a lil figure to drive the alt-mode.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote: I won't be buying the characters I mentioned so works out for me I'll focus on mp, cw and rid.

Heh, I'm the opposite. I don't care for MP, I find RID aesthetically cheap-looking and awful and CW just didn't do it for me at all with it's constant repaints and remolds and feeling 'forced' to buy full teams including figures I couldn't possibly want even in the slightest.

Titans Return is the first time in YEARS where classic style Transformers have really struck a chord with me. I usually prefer the more complex movie-aestehtic but some of the TR designs has really awoken the nostalgia factor in me for certain characters that previous toys of them just never did (big example being Takara's Blurr which just ticks all the boxes for me whereas I had found the Generations Drift-retool from a few years ago completely repellent). Not saying I'm gonna buy every figure. I'm not. But I like that it's much easier to pick and choose with this line than with CW and not feel like I'm missing out on a play feature by not buying more.

And it's not like the head doesn't have a place to go in alt-mode since they pilot the cockpits and such. Which has always appealed to me about the original Headmasters and lines like Human Alliance where you get a lil figure to drive the alt-mode.

That makes a good bit of sense. I'd be the opposite if this blurr, sentinel, galvatron, astrotrain and scourge had fixed heads I'd buy them. But because they don't I won't. I don't really get the appeal of headmasters at all but to each their own.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote: I won't be buying the characters I mentioned so works out for me I'll focus on mp, cw and rid.

Heh, I'm the opposite. I don't care for MP, I find RID aesthetically cheap-looking and awful and CW just didn't do it for me at all with it's constant repaints and remolds and feeling 'forced' to buy full teams including figures I couldn't possibly want even in the slightest.

Titans Return is the first time in YEARS where classic style Transformers have really struck a chord with me. I usually prefer the more complex movie-aestehtic but some of the TR designs has really awoken the nostalgia factor in me for certain characters that previous toys of them just never did (big example being Takara's Blurr which just ticks all the boxes for me whereas I had found the Generations Drift-retool from a few years ago completely repellent). Not saying I'm gonna buy every figure. I'm not. But I like that it's much easier to pick and choose with this line than with CW and not feel like I'm missing out on a play feature by not buying more.

And it's not like the head doesn't have a place to go in alt-mode since they pilot the cockpits and such. Which has always appealed to me about the original Headmasters and lines like Human Alliance where you get a lil figure to drive the alt-mode.

I'd still say that you missed out by not collecting any/much of the cw line, not being a g1 kid, I'm not bound by anything other than allegiance, so I've got silverbolt combined with ironhide, mirage, hound and rook, and he looks sweet

Same goes for galvatronus; but, yeah, that legends blurr looks sublime

Prowl4 wrote:That makes a good bit of sense. I'd be the opposite if this blurr, sentinel, galvatron, astrotrain and scourge had fixed heads I'd buy them. But because they don't I won't. I don't really get the appeal of headmasters at all but to each their own.

But sentinel's essentially a new character, so whats wrong here?

I was upset when Galvatron was a headmaster, especially when you consider his opinions on the matter across many story lines, but I have found them cool. The tie ins with Blaster, Soundwave and Galvatron with another version of said character as the head is really awesome, and I love headmasters anyway. And if we only did the original headmasters things might be boring. It's transformers people. It's all about change, and to me this change looks awesome

Plus, honestly, it's incredibly easy to ignore the fact their head is a headmaster until transformation. I find it doesn't really impede their appearance and functionality like other gimmicks might.

Kurona wrote:Plus, honestly, it's incredibly easy to ignore the fact their head is a headmaster until transformation. I find it doesn't really impede their appearance and functionality like other gimmicks might.

And besides, it's not like they haven't unceremoniously shoved gimmicks into figure that never had them before, can anyone say 'Unicron Trilogy'? Just because it's an established gimmick, doesn't mean it's automatically restricted to those that had it in the G1 show, by that logic, we wouldn't have gotten Rail Racer...

I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Mixed oppinions: Limbs look fine. So that's Gaihawk, Hellbat, Drillhorn and Killbison. They look fine, (even if Killbison would've been better in cartoon accurate orange instead of toy accurate gold).

The torso however is a big downfall... Using Skylynx and redecoing him into Deathsaurus? Just... No! While Deathsaurus was indeed a member of the Breastforce (quit giggling...), he WASN'T one of the members that could combine into Liokaiser. Heck, those guys mostly had military themed vehicle modes, and then comes Deathsaurus who has a friggin mechanical beast mode.

Basically, Deathsaurus takes the animal theme for this new version of the Breastforce too far, and I don't like to see him transform from a beast into a vehicle mode with no standard robot mode. Call me boring, but I'd rather have Leozack as YET ANOTHER redeco and retooling of Silverbolt...

And as for the black Liokaiser helmet, get your turqoise/green paint out to correct that, dear chaps...

CommanderShadowmus wrote:Mixed oppinions: Limbs look fine. So that's Gaihawk, Hellbat, Drillhorn and Killbison. They look fine, (even if Killbison would've been better in cartoon accurate orange instead of toy accurate gold).

The torso however is a big downfall... Using Skylynx and redecoing him into Deathsaurus? Just... No! While Deathsaurus was indeed a member of the Breastforce (quit giggling...), he WASN'T one of the members that could combine into Liokaiser. Heck, those guys mostly had military themed vehicle modes, and then comes Deathsaurus who has a friggin mechanical beast mode.

Basically, Deathsaurus takes the animal theme for this new version of the Breastforce too far, and I don't like to see him transform from a beast into a vehicle mode with no standard robot mode. Call me boring, but I'd rather have Leozack as YET ANOTHER redeco and retooling of Silverbolt...

And as for the black Liokaiser helmet, get your turqoise/green paint out to correct that, dear chaps...

Wrong thread, bud.

Autobot N wrote:

CommanderShadowmus wrote:Mixed oppinions: Limbs look fine. So that's Gaihawk, Hellbat, Drillhorn and Killbison. They look fine, (even if Killbison would've been better in cartoon accurate orange instead of toy accurate gold).

The torso however is a big downfall... Using Skylynx and redecoing him into Deathsaurus? Just... No! While Deathsaurus was indeed a member of the Breastforce (quit giggling...), he WASN'T one of the members that could combine into Liokaiser. Heck, those guys mostly had military themed vehicle modes, and then comes Deathsaurus who has a friggin mechanical beast mode.

Basically, Deathsaurus takes the animal theme for this new version of the Breastforce too far, and I don't like to see him transform from a beast into a vehicle mode with no standard robot mode. Call me boring, but I'd rather have Leozack as YET ANOTHER redeco and retooling of Silverbolt...

And as for the black Liokaiser helmet, get your turqoise/green paint out to correct that, dear chaps...

Wrong thread, bud.

Just noticed... Link to the right one? Q-Q

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Really?








Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

CommanderShadowmus wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

CommanderShadowmus wrote:Mixed oppinions: Limbs look fine. So that's Gaihawk, Hellbat, Drillhorn and Killbison. They look fine, (even if Killbison would've been better in cartoon accurate orange instead of toy accurate gold).

The torso however is a big downfall... Using Skylynx and redecoing him into Deathsaurus? Just... No! While Deathsaurus was indeed a member of the Breastforce (quit giggling...), he WASN'T one of the members that could combine into Liokaiser. Heck, those guys mostly had military themed vehicle modes, and then comes Deathsaurus who has a friggin mechanical beast mode.

Basically, Deathsaurus takes the animal theme for this new version of the Breastforce too far, and I don't like to see him transform from a beast into a vehicle mode with no standard robot mode. Call me boring, but I'd rather have Leozack as YET ANOTHER redeco and retooling of Silverbolt...

And as for the black Liokaiser helmet, get your turqoise/green paint out to correct that, dear chaps...

Wrong thread, bud.

Just noticed... Link to the right one? Q-Q

I believe it would be this one, kind sir.

Kurona wrote:Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

This is what I love about this line. While I'm only planning on getting the legends and titan masters from TR (I'm going TT for the remainder of the line), they all look fragging awesome! The heads look much better than the originals, and the originals weren't that bad unless you had a really loose one.


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I really couldn't care less if they add the feature to guys/gals that didn't have it previously. I'm going to get an amazing looking Blurr and Galvatron with actual articulation out of the deal. I not beholden to a lack of gimmicks just because the original didn't, otherwise I'd be throwing out way more than half of the toys in existence. Adding new features to old characters, plus creating new ones with that feature are part of the sell of transformers. Otherwise, everyone should hate the orignal PMOP because OP's original toy didn't have the PM feature. Same thing with Blurr, Kup, Cyclonus, Scourge, and Hot Rod. And let's just throw out all of action masters, a few pretenders, a lot of G2, machine wars, transmetals, and 75% of the unicron trilogy while we're at it. Characters change and evolve over time, otherwise the story of Dinobot wouldn't make sense. I understand not wanting to buy a toy because you just don't like it, but some people trotting out the idea that the original didn't have it, so they won't buy it makes me wonder why the would buy any updates of toys or even collect toys at all.
Maybe we should throw out articulation too since most of the original toys didn't have it.
End rant.

And I might get both the TT Hardhead and TR Hardhead because he was the only one I had the G1 version so that one can go on my desk at work along with my G2 Superion and Menasor.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:That makes a good bit of sense. I'd be the opposite if this blurr, sentinel, galvatron, astrotrain and scourge had fixed heads I'd buy them. But because they don't I won't. I don't really get the appeal of headmasters at all but to each their own.

But sentinel's essentially a new character, so whats wrong here?

No he's not. If anything sentinel prime is the iron man of transformers not a headmaster.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:If you're going through tfsource then just pre-order him now. He probably won't be available in July and they don't make you pay until the item comes in stock.

TFSource also has a nice "order stacking" system. You can add any preorder to your "stack" and it will not be billed until that item comes in stock. You can then wait to ship your merchandise until you have a bundle over $150 and get free shipping. If you change your mind before the pre-order comes in, you can cancel it with NO penalty whatsoever. It's a good way to help you budget to get the things you want over the course of a few months, since pre-orders usually open several months before the release of the actual product, at least as far as the Takara stuff goes.

I may end up waiting to order it until it comes in stock because I would rather see where we are financially before ordering it, but I do love how the preorder system sounds. I hope to preorder later waves.

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

This.

kurthy wrote:

Kurona wrote:Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

F
This is what I love about this line. While I'm only planning on getting the legends and titan masters from TR (I'm going TT for the remainder of the line), they all look fragging awesome! The heads look much better than the originals, and the originals weren't that bad unless you had a really loose one.


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I really couldn't care less if they add the feature to guys/gals that didn't have it previously. I'm going to get an amazing looking Blurr and Galvatron with actual articulation out of the deal. I not beholden to a lack of gimmicks just because the original didn't, otherwise I'd be throwing out way more than half of the toys in existence. Adding new features to old characters, plus creating new ones with that feature are part of the sell of transformers. Otherwise, everyone should hate the orignal PMOP because OP's original toy didn't have the PM feature. Same thing with Blurr, Kup, Cyclonus, Scourge, and Hot Rod. And let's just throw out all of action masters, a few pretenders, a lot of G2, machine wars, transmetals, and 75% of the unicron trilogy while we're at it. Characters change and evolve over time, otherwise the story of Dinobot wouldn't make sense. I understand not wanting to buy a toy because you just don't like it, but some people trotting out the idea that the original didn't have it, so they won't buy it makes me wonder why the would buy any updates of toys or even collect toys at all.
Maybe we should throw out articulation too since most of the original toys didn't have it.
End rant.

And I might get both the TT Hardhead and TR Hardhead because he was the only one I had the G1 version so that one can go on my desk at work along with my G2 Superion and Menasor.

Changing a character from a non headmaster to a headmaster is a massive change fundamentally to the character. Updating vehicle modes etc is fine. You seem to be missing the point. I'm surprised at how people like and defend characters that have no right to be altered in such an incredibly drastic way. Maybe the vitriol only comes when your name is Michael bay lol.

Prowl4 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:That makes a good bit of sense. I'd be the opposite if this blurr, sentinel, galvatron, astrotrain and scourge had fixed heads I'd buy them. But because they don't I won't. I don't really get the appeal of headmasters at all but to each their own.

But sentinel's essentially a new character, so whats wrong here?

No he's not. If anything sentinel prime is the iron man of transformers not a headmaster.

Not... really. Sentinel Prime is one of those weird characters that never has a very well-defined place, set of morals or what sort of guy he was. Optimus you can expect him to be an Autobot leader who stands up for freedom and justice; Starscream you can expect to be a devious Decepticon in a high position with great flight prowess and designs on betraying Megatron... but Sentinel? In his three main appearances - Animated, IDW and Dark of the Moon - he's seemed completely different in each one. They share some aspects but there's no one version of the guy you can point to and say "That's the definite sentinel". All we can really expect is that he's a Prime who is not quite as good as Optimus as upholding the grandiose and nobility that rank grants, yet somehow ends up with a great reputation. And details of even those aspects always seem to vary. So... yeah. Making him a Headmaster? Not really farfetched, especially when G1 Sentinel has never had an official toy before.