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Y'all think the cockpit in the space log is TM/PM pilotable?

That will be cool.

Cobotron wrote:Y'all think the cockpit in the space log is TM/PM pilotable?

That will be cool.

I'd certainly count on it. Legends-Class Beachcomber and Slash have already shown that the TM/PM pilot feature is still in the line -- we just haven't seen it in anything other than Legends yet. I'd bet on it not being in Voyagers and Deluxes due to them needing to do the Combining gimmick; but it seems like there'd be nothing preventing the Leaders from having it.

I found my definitive POTP Leader Class purchase!

Hun-Grr looks like his torso is facing backwards. I'm guessing this was on purpose, along with his face being obscured.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:PotP Optimal Optimus is going to be fan-wankiest figure yet! And that's saying something!

Optimal Optimus, maybe, but not Optimus Primal. I foresee a lot of people being ticked off that he turns into a random long cybertronian transport ship rather than a gorilla. I also foresee a lot of people making fun of the fact that its because John Warden designed him and he is allergic to beast wars.

Not some random long Cybertronian transport, but the cockpit for the Optimal Optimus vehicle forms. I guess that fits with the trailer thing the others have...

Kurona wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Y'all think the cockpit in the space log is TM/PM pilotable?

That will be cool.

I'd certainly count on it. Legends-Class Beachcomber and Slash have already shown that the TM/PM pilot feature is still in the line -- we just haven't seen it in anything other than Legends yet. I'd bet on it not being in Voyagers and Deluxes due to them needing to do the Combining gimmick; but it seems like there'd be nothing preventing the Leaders from having it.

Looking at it now for the third time. It looks like there is already some junk in there. Looks like it could be something Matrix shaped though, so maybe it pops out ant a TM/PM can drive.

Funny story, after I moved and was setting up my collection, I flipped out because one of my vintage Diaclone pilots was missing. Months later by the time I got to unpacking all my Beast Wars guys, I found him in Optimal's cockpit!

Also just thinking the surf ship is a neat nod to the whole "evolution" idea because it encompasses all 3 of Primal main iterations. Transmetal Primal was the surfer dude.

I think Hun-Gurrr might be a retool of silverbolt, mainly due to the way the arms and legs work.

ebo716 wrote:I think Hun-Gurrr might be a retool of silverbolt, mainly due to the way the arms and legs work.

No.

One day people will realise that Combiner Wars' level of mold-sharing was a one-off and that not everything is a retool or redeco. One day...

Well it looks like we wont be getting an Primal that actually turns into a gorilla. Dont get me wrong I like the leader figures but the combined modes not so much. For me the gem of the Leader class line is G1 sunbow Orion Pax. Now im loving them Terrorcons much more than the dinobots.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Not some random long Cybertronian transport, but the cockpit for the Optimal Optimus vehicle forms. I guess that fits with the trailer thing the others have...

Yes, when you look at the renders, it was the only logical choice according the constraints of the line.
Same as Orion which has an Optimus truck alt mode.
It doesn't bother me a lot, we already had a good recent Monkey-Primal with the BW anniversary/cybertron one, this new one is the perfect opportunity to finally get a cybertronian Primal other than the unaffordable 2006 botcon one.


So, if the renders are accurate, it means he can be :

- small Primal, transforming to shuttle.
- Monkey riding the shuttle as surf (like TM Primal)
- Monkey with Armored backpack
- Independant Monkey which can be played with even without the small Primal (contrary to Optimus and Rodimus trailers which are only trailer)
- Optimal Optimus
- Optimal Optimus with his flying mode.

Seriously, this is so ridiculously awesome. I was hyped by Optimus and Hotrod, but Optimal Optimus just made them obsolete.
Tell me we can put a TM in his cockpit and my nose will bleed.


I remember how I was so disapointed by what they showed to the SDCC. (retools of CW etc). Things have changed.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ebo716 wrote:I think Hun-Gurrr might be a retool of silverbolt, mainly due to the way the arms and legs work.

No.

They at the very least share engineering. The hand hinge is the same, the location of the combiner ports is the same, the way the feet work is the same, and the tail on Hun-Gurrs chest is where silverbolts jet cockpit would be, except this time it's on the chest instead of the back.

Love that we are getting more femmebots!!

Desslok2201 wrote:Isn't Optimus Primal doing the evolution gimmick, so he will be a monkey and Optimal Optimus?

The only ape mode is the big Optimal Optimus gorilla mode. The smaller deluxe Optimus Primal does not turn into a gorilla.

Cobotron wrote:Y'all think the cockpit in the space log is TM/PM pilotable?

That will be cool.

I definitely think so Especially since that will mean that they will finally work in what the original was meant to have (a small rider inside the cockpit).

I do find it cool how the smaller primal connects to form Optimal Optimus.

ebo716 wrote:I think Hun-Gurrr might be a retool of silverbolt, mainly due to the way the arms and legs work.

I dont think retool works as a term anymore with all these new approaches but yeah they definitely have similar engineering. I would expect the torso to thus be similar, which is great since thats the best torso so far.

william-james88 wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:Isn't Optimus Primal doing the evolution gimmick, so he will be a monkey and Optimal Optimus?

The only ape mode is the big Optimal Optimus gorilla mode. The smaller deluxe Optimus Primal does not turn into a gorilla.

He does do the Evolution gimmick, though it's not immediately noticeable. The smaller ship mode combines with the gorilla "trailer" to complete the classic Optimal Optimus modes, robot and vehicle(s).

Still hope we get a Star Saber

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:Isn't Optimus Primal doing the evolution gimmick, so he will be a monkey and Optimal Optimus?

The only ape mode is the big Optimal Optimus gorilla mode. The smaller deluxe Optimus Primal does not turn into a gorilla.

He does do the Evolution gimmick, though it's not immediately noticeable. The smaller ship mode combines with the gorilla "trailer" to complete the classic Optimal Optimus modes, robot and vehicle(s).

Along with completing the Transmetal 2 surfing gorilla mode.

A Moonracer intended to actually be Moonracer! Not some lame redeco or remould, but actually that character. FINALLY!

SURFBOARD PRIMAL IS BACK

Moonracer looks nice.

The Terrorcons could have stood to stray a bit further from their G1 roots in beast mode, maybe have some detailing derived from their "Beast Hunters" counterparts. Hun-Gurrr is passable, but Rippersnapper's alt mode was pretty weak even by the standards of G1 "monster" modes and using it as-is probably wasn't the best idea.

I'm conflicted on Optimus Primal. I want to like it, and it doesn't look bad per se, it actually looks kinda cool, but I HATE that the gorilla part is the "trailer" and the individual robot basically transforms into something that doesn't really look like anything.

william-james88 wrote:Optimal Optimus, maybe, but not Optimus Primal. I foresee a lot of people being ticked off that he turns into a random long cybertronian transport ship rather than a gorilla. I also foresee a lot of people making fun of the fact that its because John Warden designed him and he is allergic to beast wars.

I'm one of those people. And let's be honest, that really is as good a theory as any about what went wrong.

I'm a bit disappointed in the alt mode, but since it's Primal I'll definitely pick him up. I just hope he scales well with Generations Waspinator, Rattrap and Rhinox.

I'm actually really fond of Rippersnapper's beast mode from these pictures so far; to me Hun-Gu(r^3) is the one with the dumb beast mode. Those front legs just look awful to me, what with how they connect to the very bottom of his body, and then there's that chubby kibble-belly - though I'm sure I'll still buy him - but I honestly think Rippersnapper looks really good here!

I dunno how to feel about Moonracer though, on the other hand. That car mode looks AWESOME (echoes of the beauty that was Prime Vehicon, anyone?) and it looks like it'll actually undergo some transformation to become a limb, which I always like on my combinerbots, but... I dunno, I'm just not feeling the robot mode I guess? She kinda has a bunch of backpack-junk and panels sticking off the sides of her limbs, and she ends up echoing AoE Deluxe Drift in a bad way to me. I bet she'll look better painted, and I'd be willing to bet the backpack can be at least slightly rearranged, and everyone say it with me: I'll probably buy her anyway. She's just... not quite doing it for me juuuust yet.

Autobot Roadburn wrote:I'm a bit disappointed in the alt mode, but since it's Primal I'll definitely pick him up. I just hope he scales well with Generations Waspinator, Rattrap and Rhinox.

I sincerely doubt that he will.

Sabrblade wrote:

Autobot Roadburn wrote:I'm a bit disappointed in the alt mode, but since it's Primal I'll definitely pick him up. I just hope he scales well with Generations Waspinator, Rattrap and Rhinox.

I sincerely doubt that he will.

Well that's just not Prime

KingofVIZ wrote:Either face is not done or they're trying to keep hush-hush about Hun-grrr

Neither. I thought so at first too, but then I took a look at the details poking out from BEHIND the pasted on decepticon symbol. I am about 80% sure that's Redemption/Salvation femdinobot Strafe's head