The Energon Pub

[Dead Metal]

OK I just finished watching BM season one and I must say, good stories, but I hate wat they did to the charecters.
I mean they look so very stupid and ugly and I nerly puked!
That show has the crapest Robot designs ever!
The Maximals looked like Ass, come on Nightscream looks like Mikel Jackson with wings on his feet, Rattrap is pinockio with weels and Blackarecnia looks like something from nightmare before Christmess (not that I don't like that), Cheetor and Primel look like something from Cartoon Network, and Cheetor would brake his legs if he ever fales over.

The Vehicons look stupid, no hands, no legs and stupid faces!

Must end rant now times up!
But it will be continued!

[Briggs]

Yeahhh I didn't quite like them when I first watched it, they were really quite different from what i was use to, considering beast wars was a big leap for me, but but it's been a few years and I started watching it again and I don't mind most of them now, I'm even buying some of the toys.

[god_convoy_2005]

I;m with Briggs. I loved the storyline, but the animation was crappy, also the transmutation instead of transformation was not cool.

[Screambug]

Uh, I liked Cheetor's cute look and Blackarachnia's SIX eyes, too.

Weird coming from someone who refuses to watch Beast Wars because of fear that show would lure AWAY from my beloved G1 Transformers!

[random63146]

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[god_convoy_2005]

Waspinator had Four million years from the close of the Beast Wars to the time of Beast Machines (roughly 300 years after G1) to get back to Cybertron, he managed somehow.

[Great Atlas]

Actually they are in 80,000 BC according to IDW BW the Gathering

[Glyph]

Beast Wars was originally set around 140,000 BC; IDW retconned it to be 70,000 BC in order to make the presence of the Neanderthals fit*. Beast Machines, however, is set in the time that the Maximals and Predacons originally came from - that is, around 300 years after the end of the Great War (i.e. G1). That puts it in the early 24th century AD, since G1's story finished in the early 21st century.


Like many, I was disappointed with Beast Machines, especially coming on the back of a show as good as its predecessor. It's good to see a series deliberately aimed at the older fans, with some very dark and intelligently-written dilemmas at times, but the characters are ugly as sin (I'm one of the few who're glad Transtech never got made), the settings are dull and monotonous, and the use of the cast just doesn't live up to the bar set by Beast Wars. Add in all the cod-Zen philosophising and 'hippy nonsense' about Cybertron's organic origins (exsqueeze me?) and all in all it's a series that I don't mind for itself, but hate having to tag onto the end of the epic G1 through BW continuity.

That said, I still think it's better than the Unicron trilogy by a country mile. Energon and Cybertron particularly.


* Either way, OpOp's threat to Megs in Optimal Situation - that they'd have four million years to clean the latter off the walls - just doesn't work...

[Neko]

I bought the enitr box set of the serise and honestly? It wasn't that great, but I didn't regret not buying it. I can't say I didn't enjoy it, but it was fun for what it was. Sometimes I even forgot it was even Transformers.

[Creature SH]

Like I always say... It's okay as a show. It's horrible as part of Transformers continuity.

[i_amtrunks]

Great show, with very mature themes for what was (and probably always will be ) called a kids show.

It does stuff around with the transformers lore, but seriously there are so many different histories and backstories, I dont think having one show end with a tech-organic Cybertron really does much damage to the series.

The animation and stories were above and beyond many of the "kids" shows made since.

[Great Atlas]

I agree w/ i_amtrunks

[Sentinel Pax]

I watched it as a kid, and therefor accepted the designs, but looking back, the only one that I really liked was Primal...in beast mode. I wish they're bot modes had carried over a bit more from Beast Wars. As for the technorganic stuff...well...egh. I don't know where they would have gone with the series if it wasn't there. On the whole, Beast Wars was so much better, managing to be dark, serious (Transmutate, Code of Hero, anyone?) and fun all at the same time.

[D-340]

Great show, with very mature themes for what was (and probably always will be ) called a kids show.

It does stuff around with the transformers lore, but seriously there are so many different histories and backstories, I dont think having one show end with a tech-organic Cybertron really does much damage to the series.

The animation and stories were above and beyond many of the "kids" shows made since.

QFT. Beast Machines was incredible, imho.

[Windsweeper]

I liked it but it lacked the character writing that made Beast Wars great.

Still infinitely better than the Armada trilogy crap.

Anyone else aware that Vol 1 is available to buy in Tescoes and Golden Discs (anyone else find the second shop name a tad ironic)?

Just to warn you though after I bought it in GD where they had both disks selling seperately for a tenner each, I saw it in the same shop in a different section in the cardboard sleeve for 15 euros.

Saw the set in another shop for 12.99. So look about before you buy it. Also interesting to note that it doesn't seem to be in the usual kiddy section that you usually see Transformers dvds in.

[Dead Metal]

Jea better than most that folowed but still ugly as hell, I mean look at the bad guyes, such lazy designs!

[Mr. Kemp]

I'll admit, I disliked the Maximal characters in BM, especially Optimus Primal (mainly his guru-style nature). Cheetor's development I liked, though.

On the other hand, I loved the Vehicons. About the only bit I disliked about them was that their boss was set up as the anti-organic freak, though now that I think about it, I understand why; it would ruin the hive-mind society he had going on.

One wonders about Mr. Skir's political leanings...