The Energon Pub

[woosh]

This can't be voyager. It's almost the exact same mold as the deluxe cybertron mode prime. It's even got the same hip-part.
A voyager prime would be bigger than this, i think.
Why does he have the dark symbiote-ish stains on him?
I love the head. it's JUST PRIME.
This axe is huge indeed. but... it doesn't transform. Booey. ;c

[i_amtrunks]

The "Battle Damage" or whatever the black paint is meant to represent is odd, but otherwise this is a very very nice figure.

Gotta start saving now, as there is yet to be an Aniamted figure I don't want!

[Justicity]

"Whats the black stuff?" "Whats the black stuff?".......Did you ever think it might be the prototype markings from hasbro......because last I heard these Figs werent coming out till this summer.

Why would they use that as a prototype, why not just tampograph (right word?) "PROTOTYPE" onto the side like they always do?



Oh, and THIS IS VOYAGAAAAAAAA
Hehe, sorry, couldn't resist.
Anyway, yes, this is the voyager. They always look bigger in alt mode. Think about movie Blackout, not much size difference between him & Barricade in robot mode. This is the voyager one, the prototype was probably scrapped for some reason, and they decided to heavily mod the idea into what we have here.
This is not, i repeat not, a deluxe. ^^

[Overcracker]

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no,no,no, overcracker

the grey one is a totally different sculpt than the battle damaged figure, the grey one is the voyager sized toy, the battle damaged toy is delux as can be seen by his tiny size compared to bulkhead. the grey figure has many differences, look at his axe on his back, the extra parts on the side of teh lower leg, the big horns on his head.

After close examination of the pictures, I gotta say microclone, I think you are indeed correct.

Although the fists in this one look like they fold into the forearms, while the deluxe version has immovable fists.

It seems its just a heavily modified Deluxe Prime mold.
While its certainly different to the Axe wielding Deluxe version we had seen, I think the basic mold is that of the deluxe.

I see 2 reasons:

1. They scrapped the Voyager model, and then decided to modify the deluxe version to look like the voyager. They would have to either add dare i say it... A Trailer... to warrant the Voyager Price point, even if the actual robot is deluxe sized.

OR

2. This is going to be an additional Deluxe release, made to look like the voyager version.

And the real voyager version still remains to be seen.

tformers.com has some pics of a somewhat colored Prototype of the Voyager, ands yes the mold does indeed look different.
http://tformers.com/gv.php?mode=album&a ... 00&start=0

Hmm weird to say the least.

[Menbailee]

I'm not convinced this is the Voyager. Look at how much closer the wheels are to the front of the alt mode than in the grey prototype. If they are the same toy, then the finished version has been significantly remolded. That's certainly possible, but considering that Bulkhead himself is an undersized Voyager, this would make Prime a genuinely Deluxe-sized toy. On the whole, I think the mold is terrific. Robot mode captures the character spectacularly. I'm just not excited about the downsizing of Voyagers, if that's the case. I'll believe it when I see it in-package.

[1337W422102]

"Whats the black stuff?" "Whats the black stuff?".......Did you ever think it might be the prototype markings from hasbro......

Those 'prototype' markings are usually nothing more than smears of paint. These are much more intricate.

[Jazzz]

that's awesome looking.
I sorta dig this new cartoonish battle-damage, it barely looks like cracks but they do look cool. better than burns and crap.

[StryderPrime]

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no,no,no, overcracker


I see 2 reasons:

1. They scrapped the Voyager model, and then decided to modify the deluxe version to look like the voyager. They would have to either add dare i say it... A Trailer... to warrant the Voyager Price point, even if the actual robot is deluxe sized.

OR

2. This is going to be an additional Deluxe release, made to look like the voyager version.

And the real voyager version still remains to be seen.

tformers.com has some pics of a somewhat colored Prototype of the Voyager, ands yes the mold does indeed look different.
http://tformers.com/gv.php?mode=album&a ... 00&start=0

Hmm weird to say the least.

That will make sense the grey Prime dont look like its cartoon counterpart but the color one dont look like it either but i like is truck mode better tho

I said make the incomplete grey version into Nemesis Prime or something so it want be a repaint 4 once.

I still wish somebody get their hands on a trailer so i can see

[Whammy]

OMG! HE'S DISEASED!

[zemper]

until the final verdict is out, i'll have to say:

colored Prime = DELUXE VARIANT
prototype Prime = VOYAGER (or maybe LC?) VARIANT

sticking with these until further word comes out. i might be wrong...but i seriously doubt it.

[Liege Evilmus]

See, I'd buy that prototype, if they where smart, they wouldn't even paint it.

Also, something that I noticed about this Prime, I noticed he doesn't have a trailer yet on the show, could one hope for a possible variety of alt mode back attachments.

I'd buy this figure just to suport that idea.

[Bumblethumper]

This is interesting in that it's neither the Cybertronian mode nor the fire-truck earth mode. Looks sort of like G1 Prime done in the animated style, which would be a nice idea as an homage.

I can't tell for sure if this is a retool of the deluxe or the voyager, but I'm leaning towards the voyager. Either way it's substantially different from both. It's a good scale with Bulkhead, any bigger would be a little too big. Perhaps voyagers will be smaller this time around.

A very nice figure overall. I hope they loose the battle damage, but overall I prefer it to the other animated Primes.

[I_AM... MEGATRON!]

Is it just me or does he seem incomplete? Seems to be missing the giant Gun you see on the back of the all grey prototype...

[Jaz-Zen]

This is interesting in that it's neither the Cybertronian mode nor the fire-truck earth mode. Looks sort of like G1 Prime done in the animated style, which would be a nice idea as an homage.

I can't tell for sure if this is a retool of the deluxe or the voyager, but I'm leaning towards the voyager. Either way it's substantially different from both. It's a good scale with Bulkhead, any bigger would be a little too big. Perhaps voyagers will be smaller this time around.

A very nice figure overall. I hope they loose the battle damage, but overall I prefer it to the other animated Primes.

I agree with Bumblethumper. I don't think this is THE voyager Optimus, but I do think it is *A* voyager Optimus. I think this will be "Battle Damage Voyager Optimus". Maybe part of the "battle damage" will be the loss of the "stuff" that sits on the back of voyager Optimus' legs in truck mode (trailer? gun?).

I like this, but I don't know if I'm ready to start hearing about "repaints" in the Animated line, since first wave toys are still so far away.

[microclone]

im going to stick my neck out and make some assertions (based on some evidence and rumour however).

the grey toy is earth mode voyager size, hes about 8 inches tall, has a big axe and gun which combine to form his 'trailer'.

the coloured up 'split windscreen' damage prime is a delux figure and is in the upcoming 2 pack. It is NOT voyager size, thats easy enough to see from the shots with bulkhead, hes about BB size just like cybertron prime. This version does match the current animation model so i wonder if the differences in the voyager figure are reflected later in the animation?

[Omega Charge]

I like this, but I don't know if I'm ready to start hearing about "repaints" in the Animated line, since first wave toys are still so far away.

except for maybe Skywarp.

I like the figure. It's not too big compared to Bulkhead, but I still kinda prefer the deluxe. The voyagers in this line all look like big deluxes anyway.

[Collector Maximus]

whats with the black crap all over him??

I second that. Seems to me to be totally unnecessary and only mucks him up. They don't look like typical prototype markings. I'd rather have him without the black crap.

[kirbenvost]

Wow, I am really not used to the new look of the board... I guess I'm old skool. I guess there's no more feature to comment straight from the news page?

Anyway, I really hope this isn't THE Voyager Prime, because I liked the Proto a lot more. I'm hoping this is an additional mold as well. I like his alt mode, but the bot mode just doesn't look as nice as the proto pics.

[Bumblethumper]

Can anyone find pics of Deluxe Cybertronian Prime compared to other figures and Bulkhead compared to other figures?

This is starting to bother me.

[zemper]

im going to stick my neck out and make some assertions (based on some evidence and rumour however).

the grey toy is earth mode voyager size, hes about 8 inches tall, has a big axe and gun which combine to form his 'trailer'.

the coloured up 'split windscreen' damage prime is a delux figure and is in the upcoming 2 pack. It is NOT voyager size, thats easy enough to see from the shots with bulkhead, hes about BB size just like cybertron prime. This version does match the current animation model so i wonder if the differences in the voyager figure are reflected later in the animation?

second this assumption. also (from another thread), Voyager-class size is determined by the volume of plastic it contains, not its height. check out TFTM Blackout, voyager-sized alt mode, puny robot mode (for a voyager).

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I'm still not liking the design of any of these toys.I'm just going to end up getting the Dino's, Prime and maybe Megatron.

[Bumblethumper]

Did some research, and I now think it's possible that this may be another deluxe Optimus.

Voyager Bulkhead and deluxe Optimus are about the same size.



As is the case with this new Optimus variant:


But there's some weird things going on with the scale.
Voyager Megatron is just a little taller:

...yet is dwarfed by deluxe Lockdown:


My guess is voyager Optimus won't be taller than Voyager Megs.

Another (odd)possibility is that Voyager Prime is roughly the same basic height as deluxe Prime. The main size difference being in the bulk of the fire truck/trailer assembly, which, as can be seen in the prototype, does not increase the height of the figure:


If you compare the new Optimus with the Cybertronian deluxe, there does seem to be a fair bit more bulk in the chest and shoulders. It's also worth noting that the axe is differernt and certainly appears to be bigger. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Jazzz]

If he's not voyager, he's probably just a smaller version.
They do that alot
Voyager Movie Prime
Deluxe Armada Prime(and its many retools/repaints)
Deluxe Energon Prime
etc.
Deluxe Animated Prime

[Jazzz]

yep.
this is a different earth mode prime.
He has wheels in his shoulders.
arms are different
axe isn't as cool
no kibble on legs and back

[BOTS and CONS]

TF Animated Voyager Optimus Prime is DEFINITELY BETTER thatn the Deluxe version. will pick him up together with Voyagers BULKHEAD and MEGATRON...these figs really tickled my imagination!