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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Tue May 12, 2009 9:06 am

We hate it because it's too friendly, and the third series seems to be set in an alternative dimension to the first two...
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Sabrblade » Tue May 12, 2009 1:58 pm

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smiggy3000 wrote:We hate it because it's too friendly, and the third series seems to be set in an alternative dimension to the first two...
I wouldn't call Unicron or a giant black hole very friendly.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Cthulhunicron » Tue May 12, 2009 10:14 pm

smiggy3000 wrote:We hate it because it's too friendly, and the third series seems to be set in an alternative dimension to the first two...


That doesn't seem like a very fair criticism, to me. It was never intended to be a continuation of Super Link. Though, I will say that Galaxy Force is my least favorite of the three series. I got through Micron Legend and Super Link just fine, but I turned GF off after about 10 episodes.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Wed May 13, 2009 2:23 am

What I meant was that the characters were alot more friendly than in G1. The amount of time Optimus said "lets talk about this first" got on my nerves. And it's not much of a trilogy if 'Cybertron' wasn't meant to come after 'Energon'. But I never actualy saw any of 'Energon' anyways, and not alot of 'Armada'.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Rial Vestro » Wed May 13, 2009 4:20 am

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smiggy3000 wrote:We hate it because it's too friendly, and the third series seems to be set in an alternative dimension to the first two...


That doesn't seem like a very fair criticism, to me. It was never intended to be a continuation of Super Link. Though, I will say that Galaxy Force is my least favorite of the three series. I got through Micron Legend and Super Link just fine, but I turned GF off after about 10 episodes.


Um... all 3 series seemed to be set in alternate dimentions and Energon and Cybertron were alot more watchable than Armada was. Maybe the Japanese counterparts were different but sence I have no desiar to learn to speak and understand japanese, watch a fan dub of the series, or read the english subtitels I'll never have a chance to find out.

But I did at least manage to watch more than 10 episodes of Armada before decideing that it was the worst TF series ever made.

I can not stress this enough, G1 has it's own fair share of plot holes but Armada made G1 look like the most well wrighten series in the history of the universe. At least with G1 the majority of the series actully fits with the rest of the series and a few spicific episodes that don't fit the continuity can just be interchanged, ignored, or brushed off as being an alternate universe. Armada, non of thoughs freaking episode make any sort of plot. It's just go out, find Mini-con, now we have all the Mini-cons lets go back to Cybertron, oh look there's Unicron now Galvatron is the hero of the freaking story.

Armada starts off as a Poke'mon knock off without a plot and as the series progresses the good guys start looking like the bad guys and the bad guys start looking like the good guys, characters change personality, intelligence, and color schemes randomly and for no reason. Sideways spent an Episode as Nemesis Prime where he never spoke, was really powerfull, it was not exsplained how he became Nemesis Prime and just as awkwardly in the next episode he was back to being Sideways and no one ever mentioned the Optimus Prime look-a-like ever again.

What I'd really like to know is how the hell does anyone like Armada? The only part of that series I liked was the toy line and the episode "Past Part 2". I own the entire line of Armada toys but I absolutly hate that series because of the non exsistant story telling.

I've heard alot of hate for Beast Machines and I don't really get that either. Beast Machines and Beast Wars are by far the two best wrighten Transformers series ever made. Yes the Beast Machines designs were ugly as hell I agree with everyone on that point but that's not a good enough reason to hate the series. Oh and the one thing I hate more than the designs was Rhinox, I wish they would of left his as Tankor or had him rejoin the Maximals. Makeing him evil was a mistake but the rest of the series was great.

Forget the Unicron Trilligy Hate, someone exsplain why so many people like the train wreck that is Armada and hate Beast Machines. As far as I can tell there are only two things wrong with Beast Machines and only 2 things good about Armada. It all seems rather backwards.

The most important thing in any series should really be the plot and Armada doesn't have one.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Wed May 13, 2009 5:41 am

I myself like Beast Wars, but can understand why others don't as now their animals rather than machines, which is never realy explained in continuety. I was readin an article the other day which says that the creators of Beast Wars hadn't even meant it to be part of the Transformers Universe and had never realy been fans of it, they even thought people wouldn't see the simialrities of transforming robots. Then after being warned by Hasbro, acidentally plagarising 'More than Meets the Eye' ep, and mentioning Primus, they had to stop for a while and heavily research to get what we now have.

But the unicron trilogy had the problem of been made in the new millenium where we all had to be friends and relate the the kids, who are the most anoying part of the show.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Rial Vestro » Sat May 16, 2009 1:03 am

smiggy3000 wrote:I myself like Beast Wars, but can understand why others don't as now their animals rather than machines, which is never realy explained in continuety. I was readin an article the other day which says that the creators of Beast Wars hadn't even meant it to be part of the Transformers Universe and had never realy been fans of it, they even thought people wouldn't see the simialrities of transforming robots. Then after being warned by Hasbro, acidentally plagarising 'More than Meets the Eye' ep, and mentioning Primus, they had to stop for a while and heavily research to get what we now have.

But the unicron trilogy had the problem of been made in the new millenium where we all had to be friends and relate the the kids, who are the most anoying part of the show.


Where the heck did you hear that bull from?

Beast Wars was allways ment to be part of the Transformers universe but it wasn't allways ment to be were the characters were G1 decendents. The original concept had the original G1 Characters getting reformatted into these orgainic forms and was going to have them with "hyper modes" which is why most of the first wave Beast Wars toys had 2 different heads. The idea was scraped and changed into into what Beast Wars ended up being. After the change though I think they took out all the G1 conections untill they decided to make them G1 Decendents later in the series. If I remember right and I probly don't they never mentioned any of the G1 stuff till season 2.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Sat May 16, 2009 3:17 am

I heard that bull from Bob Forward, the story editor, they had slightly diferent plans to Hasbro.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby mitchsantona » Sat May 16, 2009 4:31 pm

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I think the reason for hate is because it's considered a Trilogy. I think each series (A,E,C) should just be considered their own continuity. That being said, I can honestly say Energon killed me to watch all the way through. It could have ended after the first Unicron defeat. Also ALL the kids from those series are horrible IMO. I like the little Neanderthal kid that Cheetor was teaching better than any of the UT kids, and she didn't even speak.

I just like good story telling and characters. Beast Wars and Beast Machines were top notch, followed by Animated. Whether personalities follow the typical G1 personality doesn't mean much to me as long as the characters get fleshed out.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Sabrblade » Sun May 17, 2009 12:15 am

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Rial Vestro wrote:Um... all 3 series seemed to be set in alternate dimentions
And how does that apply for Armada and Energon?

Rial Vestro wrote:What I'd really like to know is how the hell does anyone like Armada?
Because it resembled G1 enough to bring back older fans who had grown up with G1. When I say "resemble", I am refering to the facts that Armada had Autobots and Decepticons, an Optimus Prime and a Megatron, all/most of the characters were vehicles, and it even had Unicron(!) return. Though, this is just a generalization, none of this refers to me personally as I didn't grow up with G1.

Rial Vestro wrote:I've heard alot of hate for Beast Machines and I don't really get that either.
It's because they didn't like the designs (like you said) and they made the Maximals "Hippie"-like. Not to mention Megatron rejecting his awesome dragon mode, only to become a weird big floating head.

But I liked Beast Machines (and Beast Wars even more).

Basically, I can sum up all the reasons why Armada was more well-liked than Beast Machines in one sentence: "Trukk, not Munky!"
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Sun May 17, 2009 7:33 am

I've started watching 'Beast Wars' again now and its epic. They shoudn't have changed the creative team for @Beast Machines' as the quality has gone down. That said, it still some good story arks within its bad style and form. 'Beast Wars' actually has not yet shown us what any of Transformers look like back on Cybertron, as far as i'm up to in the show, and they all seem to adopted different names for tehir beast modes.
Its also more violent than Armada and tries to fit with G1 continuity.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby mitchsantona » Sun May 17, 2009 7:38 am

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I think the toys have a lot to do with it too. When I watched the UT, the stories dissapointed me, but I think each series offers some pretty cool figures. I loved The Beast Wars/BM series but have no interest in some of those figures.

Let's put it this way, I'd rather display Energon Rodimus on a shelf, and I hated the way he was written, over Beast Wars Tarantulus, who I loved his show character, but detest his figure.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Sun May 17, 2009 8:04 am

That is a great point, the toys are realy only cool when there robots. They were selling a large 'Starscream' toy from 'Energon' and it came with the little crown he wears, very tempted to fork out the £20...
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Sabrblade » Sun May 17, 2009 2:06 pm

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smiggy3000 wrote:They were selling a large 'Starscream' toy from 'Energon' and it came with the little crown he wears, very tempted to fork out the £20...
You mean Cybertron. Energon Starscream was a little Deluxe.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Blurrz » Sun May 17, 2009 3:17 pm

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I really can't see how anyone can hate the Unicron Trilogy.

Armada is a great series. Minus the kids, which ALL series has, Armada has one of the most epic endings ever. Grand battle on Cybertron, Unicron's revival. It's freaking amazing. My favorite series, ever.

Energon, while not as epic as Armada IMO, it's still a great series. Realistically everything works. Bar annoying Kicker/Ironhide, Energon pays homage to many G1 characters and is just pure kickass.

Cybertron is viewed as the best series of the trilogy. I don't share the same view, but it's understandable. Interplanetary travel, more and more homages to G1 characters. The Kids aren't 'as' annoying as they were in A/E. Animation is spot-on too.

Seriously, if you lower your expectations and take a good look at each series, then you won`t end up being disappointed.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Burn » Sun May 17, 2009 3:41 pm

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Blurrz wrote:Seriously, if you lower your expectations and take a good look at each series, then you won`t end up being disappointed.


Fanboys lower their expectations? HA! That's soooooo not going to happen.
I still prefer A/E/C over Animated because of the animation and how the toys look.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun May 17, 2009 4:03 pm

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Seriously, if you lower your expectations and take a good look at each series, then you won`t end up being disappointed.


This is the funniest think I ever heard.

Its like telling us we should all learn to enjoy eating shi+.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Blurrz » Sun May 17, 2009 4:26 pm

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Blurrz wrote:
Seriously, if you lower your expectations and take a good look at each series, then you won`t end up being disappointed.


This is the funniest think I ever heard.

Its like telling us we should all learn to enjoy eating shi+.


By all means, if you want to go ahead.

It's just most people new to the TF Fandom hear negative views on A/E/C. When you look at each series they aren't as bad as other people make it out to be.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sun May 17, 2009 6:11 pm

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Blurrz wrote:
Seriously, if you lower your expectations and take a good look at each series, then you won`t end up being disappointed.


This is the funniest think I ever heard.

Its like telling us we should all learn to enjoy eating shi+.


By all means, if you want to go ahead.

It's just most people new to the TF Fandom hear negative views on A/E/C. When you look at each series they aren't as bad as other people make it out to be.


Well everybody has their own opinion on things....its just a shame that the negative ones are those that are remembered the most or are the most vocal.

Me...I didnt like "A\E\ or C".

I felt the premise was never fulfilled and I thought they were poorly put together.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby mitchsantona » Sun May 17, 2009 8:58 pm

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I can watch or read anything that has to do with Transformers. I like some things more than others and there are a few things I can do without. Every series and Toyline I think has it's goods and bads. So I wouldn't say I hated Energon, just that there were more things about that series that got under my skin.

Ironhide, Kicker, the story, Alpha Q, etc, etc.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Mon May 18, 2009 2:01 am

At least we can all agree that Transformers Animated is now the worst...
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Justicity » Mon May 18, 2009 4:16 am

smiggy3000 wrote:At least we can all agree that Transformers Animated is now the worst...

I don't.

Obviously it's not as unanimous as you think.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby Justicity » Mon May 18, 2009 4:26 am

The thing that bothered me about Unicron Trilogy was the gimmicks. Every few seconds the flow of the episode was interrupted just so we can all see the same stock footage we've seen hundreds of times, of Optimus gaining a bigger weapon and smiling at the camera.
I can watch pretty much any transformers series and appreciate it for something, however, and this is something that irks me about any form of show not just transformers; when the flow is broken to sell toys I loose interest.

Don't get me wrong though, I watched a lot of Armada, Energon and even Cybertron, but I couldn't watch too many episodes in one go, it just grated on me too much and I got bored. You watch any set of consecutive episodes from one of these series and it feels like 30% of each episode is just repeated in the next.

The random name reuseage thing annoys me too, but it's not a huge deal to me. I just remember that Luke in Star Wars is not the same guy as the Biblical Luke. I guess Ironhide is just a pretty common name on Cybertron. Maybe Optimus us the equivalent of Bob...
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Mon May 18, 2009 11:24 am

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smiggy3000 wrote:At least we can all agree that Transformers Animated is now the worst...


Nothing could be furthest from the truth.

While I admit I still dont care for the animation style, the stories written,the characterizations and the continuity are all top notch.

Transformers Animated is far from being the worst.
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Re: Why all the 'Unicron Trilogy' hate?

Postby smiggy3000 » Mon May 18, 2009 11:48 am

I was making a bad joke about Animated, i've not seen in yet. What realy bothered me about 'Cybertron' was the team ups when they connected. The giant claw wasn't that bad, but it was the 5 minuetes they wasted each episode trying to combine Optimus with Jetfire...
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