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News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Wed May 01, 2013 1:08 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Wed May 01, 2013 3:41 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

At least with Sideswipe I could give hid BFG to another figure like I did with Ultra Magnus' BFS. Jazz just comes with a dinky little pea shooter.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Wed May 01, 2013 4:08 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

At least with Sideswipe I could give hid BFG to another figure like I did with Ultra Magnus' BFS. Jazz just comes with a dinky little pea shooter.

The funniest thing is that gun is advertised on the packaging with a BIG and FLASHY "COME WITH THE GUN!!!!!" Remember when we said that the reduced sizes of the figures in DotM were due to the Mechtech weapons?
FOC Jazz hit the bottom of the barrel by being the most tiny and hollow deluxe ever... the the gun he came with is one of the tiniest ever too. I wonder if FOC Jazz was a way for Hasbro to test how far they can be cheap until people cry "bullshit"?

Still, FOC Jazz is not a bad figure by himself. He just feel really very cheap.

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Wed May 01, 2013 4:32 pm

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
Nemesis Primal wrote:
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Generations: FoC Jazz. Disproportionate and hollow robot mode

Obviously, you don't have Sideswipe. Take Jazz, and then add a gun that's too heavy for him to hold up.

At least with Sideswipe I could give hid BFG to another figure like I did with Ultra Magnus' BFS. Jazz just comes with a dinky little pea shooter.

In my delusional world, toys should at least have the option of going with the weapon they come with. Thus, to me, Sideswipe is worse than Jazz. Well, that, and his weird eyes. Would it have killed them to paint those things?

That said, neither is as bad as the FoC Ravage/Steeljaw mold. A gappy mess hindered by a gimmick that doesn't really work. Also, no aticulation, but that's essentially true of all the Data Disc guys, so I'll let that part slide.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Wed May 01, 2013 5:38 pm

I was okay with getting Sideswipe over Jazz. Looks nicer, comes with a BFG. Admittedly, I am still considering trying to get a squarer head for him and painting it red, to use him as Lightspeed, but still, at least he doesn't look like a ghost like see-thru Jazz.

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Wed May 01, 2013 5:43 pm

noticed Super Megatron calls RID Optimus the worst. Am surprised, and disagree. Yes, he's something of a puzzle, but looks great in all modes, combines with Magnus to form one of the coolest TFs ever, and looks a bit like Blaster. In a line with over 50% repaints and the relatively poor QC on the Car Robot brothers, (Prowl is the one who has bits that couldn't be painted, and where some of the vehicle shell is prone to cracking, right?) and I'd say Prime fares pretty well.

News Credits: 15 · by **PrymeStriker** » Thu May 02, 2013 1:15 pm

G1: The Throttlebots (unfortunately)
G2: Skram
Beast Wars: Blackarachnia & Terrorsaur
Beast Machines: Silverbolt
Machine Wars: Megaplex
RID: Grimlock (meh, I can't think of anyone else)
Alternators: Windcharger
Masterpiece: The first seeker mold
Armada: Sideswipe
Energon: Optimus Prime
Cybertron: Runamuck
Classics: They're all awesome. So, no.
Movie 1: Barricade or Brawl
ROTF: Rampage
Universe: Brawn
Animated: Starscream
Prime: Aircrapnid
DOTM: ... uh
Generations: Voyager Soundwave (runs and hides)

News Credits: 4 · by **craggy** » Thu May 02, 2013 2:38 pm

PrymeStriker wrote:G2: Skram

awww. I liked Skram. Little negative-HotRod looking dude that he was.

by **RAcast** » Thu May 02, 2013 7:40 pm

craggy wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:G2: Skram

awww. I liked Skram. Little negative-HotRod looking dude that he was.

Yeah, what's wrong with Skram? All of the axcelerators are great!

News Credits: 1 · by **SKYWARPED_128** » Thu May 02, 2013 8:21 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:The funniest thing is that gun is advertised on the packaging with a BIG and FLASHY "COME WITH THE GUN!!!!!" Remember when we said that the reduced sizes of the figures in DotM were due to the Mechtech weapons?
FOC Jazz hit the bottom of the barrel by being the most tiny and hollow deluxe ever... the the gun he came with is one of the tiniest ever too. I wonder if FOC Jazz was a way for Hasbro to test how far they can be cheap until people cry "bullshit"?

That's at least partly the reason. Hasbro might have started out shrinking the TF's to provide plastic to the mechtech weapons, but later decided that it might be profitable to continue with this size even without the BFG's.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Still, FOC Jazz is not a bad figure by himself. He just feel really very cheap.

My biggest problem with Jaz is that his disproportionate body was caused by his simplified transformation. If they had kept his transformation more accurate to his in-game CG, and we KNOW it can be done because it's almost identical to WFC Bumblebee's toy, he would have been so much more proportionate.

As he is, the sides of his alt mode's trunk now go to his forearms, when they should have been made up of his lower legs. The front wheels which should have gone to the forearms now stay where they are, partially obscured by the alt mode's side panels.

And then there's the shameful lack of paint apps on him.

But as disproportionate as he is, he's still a "serviceable" figure, if you give him a good coat of paint and weathering. As many of the customized Jazz figs have proven, he can look good with some paint on him.

News Credits: 10 · by **gavinfuzzy** » Fri May 03, 2013 2:15 am

PrymeStriker wrote:Alternators: Windcharger

I sorta like him. Then again, he's the only alternator I have besides Ravage.

PrymeStriker wrote:Movie 1: Barricade or Brawl

Which are still one of my favorite molds from that movie. :lol:

Actually, all the decepticon molds from movie 1 were great IMO.

PrymeStriker wrote:ROTF: Rampage

Can't argue. Hell, TRU here was giving him away FREE when you spent the equivalent of a voyager + a deluxe.

DOTM: Skids and Crapflap. It was marked down to half the price of a legion here... And no one bought it. Honestly I don't know why there were even put in the toyline... (Probably because everyone thought they would be part of the movie)

Generations: Blastoff. I have the Takara version, and still, the shuttle mode's a turd (quite literally, the Tak version is brown). Bot mode is kinda gimpy, with the odd shoulders. Not forgetting he is the weakest link in Bruticus. The arm mode is a huge eyesore and ruins the otherwise pretty good bruticus.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Fri May 03, 2013 2:24 am

gavinfuzzy wrote:
PrymeStriker wrote:Movie 1: Barricade or Brawl

Which are still one of my favorite molds from that movie. Actually, all the decepticon molds from movie 1 were great IMO.

Leader Brawl is awesomesauce. The deluxe, yeah. Not so much.

by **Ballistic90** » Sat May 11, 2013 6:20 pm

SentinelA wrote:This is inspired by the many threads about best TFs in each line. However I don't recall anyone asking about the worse. Can include toys that just let u down. I'll start but other's may want to expand the lines. I'm only going with what I've got.
G1: Ironhide & Rachet
G1 post movie: Goldbug and other throttlebots
G2: (even though I don't have him) Stakks
Beast Wars: Optimus Minor
Machine Wars:(hate to say it) Optimus Prime
Beast Machines: (Can I say the entire line?) Optimus Primal
RID: Sideburn
Alternators: (sadly) Grimlock
Titanium: Soundwave
Masterpiece: Megatron
Armada:Sideswipe
Energion: Shockwave/blast (just because his cannon would fall off)
Cybertron: Thundercracker
Classics: DVD 2-pack Optimus Prime
2007 movie: so many...can't choose
Universe: GALVATRON!!!
ROTF: Sideswipe
TF: Animated: Wreckgar?
Prime:Dreadwing
DOTM:Backfire
Generations: WFC Bumblebee

I would not agree with the Classics and the Generations choices. Probably because that Optimus Prime DVD 2 pack figure was the wedding cake topper my wife chose for me, so I am biased.

And I loved that WFC Bumblebee. He had the fold out swords, and he wasn't as annoying to transform as WFC Optimus Prime was.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat May 11, 2013 6:35 pm

Ballistic90 wrote:I would not agree with the Classics and the Generations choices. Probably because that Optimus Prime DVD 2 pack figure was the wedding cake topper my wife chose for me, so I am biased.

You know you are one lucky dude, right?

...

Waitaminit. Who was the wife? OP or Megs? ;;)

News Credits: 7 · by **Zeedust** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:42 pm

WFC Bumblebee doesn't necessarily transform smoothly, but come on, it looks decent in both modes, and has flip out swords and decent artculation. How is it as bad as FOC Ravage? For real, folks. Someone tell me why FOC Ravage isn't the worst Generations toy. Someone defend this thing.

News Credits: 34 · by **Superwheeljack** » Sat May 11, 2013 7:54 pm

Nemesis Primal wrote:WFC Bumblebee doesn't necessarily transform smoothly, but come on, it looks decent in both modes, and has flip out swords and decent artculation. How is it as bad as FOC Ravage? For real, folks. Someone tell me why FOC Ravage isn't the worst Generations toy. Someone defend this thing.

It's not as bad as tf prime arachnid, but I already cracked his leg
I think he's the worst of tf generations so far
Wfc bee is pretty good for a bee