Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list!

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Sunday, May 4th, 2008 10:34PM CDT

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The Knockoffs: Who wants one anyway ("I do I do," some say.) The very tempting toys...
I know that the thought of a KO 'transformer' making it in to someone's collection would turn them ill. Others buy them to have as part of their collection to kitbash, fill a void until an
original can be found, or (insert reason here).

I have to say, I am guilty of buying some of the newest G1 accurate KO's (sorry HASBRO, I promise never to do it again). I did this because I knew there would never be a NEMESIS MIRAGE made, and also because I knew getting my hands on the red version of the G1 Mirage mold was as likely to happen as me winning the lottery to be able to afford it. So I justified the purchases to myself. However you justify buying or not buying them though, the fact is these are out there, and they are taking the money of loyal TF brand buyers and in some cases deceiving them into believing they are buying an officially licensed re-issue (Deceptive seller title to avoid the HASBRO hammer of truth). Or in some other cases, buying a vintage piece (outrageous seller claim!). HASBRO has taken notice, and seem to be slowly but surely attempting to take action, but based on their blanket statement made at Botcon it seems they are more concerned with warning their purchasing public, and less worried about stopping this (and the lunchtime specials).

KO Transformers have been out forever. As long as there have been toys, there have been cheaply made KO's sold and bought (just ask ol' Spidey), and since Transformers are very popular, well, cash called and asked if you wanted to make some...but none have been this accurate, this spot on, which is what makes them so tempting.

Spotting A G1 'Vintage' Re-issue KO:
Yes, I know the title seems obvious, but some people may not know that sellers often replace 'Knock Off' with 'Re-Issue' because well, they are smart and want to sell product. Which sounds like a nicer, friendlier name to you, KNOCK OFF, or RE-ISSUE?

#1) So be leery when you see the name 'Re-issue!' in an auction title. You may be purchasing a product that you are not intending.

#2) [size=150">Price-- It seems obvious to collectors that have been around the block that getting a MINT IN SEALED BOX VINTAGE G1 Optimus Prime for $80.00 is outrageously cheap, and will never happen these days. But to the naive grandmother shopping for her grandson/daughter that may seem about right--even too much. Poor HASBRO, you lost another, and worse, you may have lost a potential money maker because this mistake was made. Poor quality in the KO, it breaks, "I'm not buying any more of those for my grandchildren" and BAM! a customer may be lost to the market or brand. I know this is extreme, and I also know seniors are not the only naive buyers out there, it was simply to make a point. The poor quality will win out, and may cause some to change their favorites because there was no reliability in a supposedly quality product (Mattel is feeling this wrath right now). HASBRO gets screwed but really had nothing to do with it. Let's not forget also that Prime is also tripley caution worthy because he has been re-issued a few times, and his ENCORE version is worth about $80 in some places.

The List of Vintage G1 Knock Offs that 'Look' and 'Feel' just like 1984-1989:

Yes, it's true they do, and they do. My Mirages feel and look just like my original--minus the dirtiness (of course, my new ones have the variant colors...).

How can one avoid them? The best way, be armed with knowledge, and ask questions. To help with the knowledge part, I am attempting to create a list of these accurate phonies with their respective repaints in hopes that it will help someone along the way make an informed choice whether to buy or not. I don't care either way, but you need to know what you are getting, or what you are not getting. There are a lot of good people on this site that can give you their thoughts about the item, thus, there is no reason for you to get taken out of your hard earned money, use it on what you intend to, not on something that was a mistake!

This is the list of Transformers marketed as possible re-issues that are not licensed re-issues that have boxart, box, specs, bubble, weapons--everything accurate to the original--even the quality [size=150">SOMETIMES.


Beachcomber
Bombshell
Brawn
Bumblebee
Buzzsaw/Lazerbeak (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, and black)
Cliffjumper
Constructicon Boxed Set
Cosmos
Frenzy/Rumble (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, black)
Gnaw (Sharkticon)
Grimlock (Normal, Clear)
Hubcap
Kickback
Lazerbeak/Buzzsaw (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, and black)
Metroplex (Normal, Metrotitan variant colors)
Mirage (Normal, Black, Clear, Red)
Optimus Prime (Normal, Normal/gold chrome**, Black***, Clear, Tan)
Outback
Powerglide*
Ratbat
Ravage
Rumble/Frenzy (Normal, clear, clear orange, clear blue, white, and black)
Seaspray
Shrapnel
Slag (Normal, Clear)
Sludge (Normal, Clear)
Snarl
Sunstreaker
Swoop
Warpath
Windcharger

*



I hope someone finds this useful and makes an informed decision because of it. If there are missing TF's on the KO list let me know and I will add them. If there are more ways/tricks to spotting them, I will be glad to add them in.

Remember, be forewarned, and go shopping with knowledge!


*nope not mine, but a cool picture, nonetheless

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***

The saying goes "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck!" does not apply to Transformers. Transformers is a brand name that applies to a product owned by HASBRO and TAKARA/TOMY. If it has the name TRANSFORMERS it is an approved product--until now, at least--. But just because it is a transforming toy, does not put it in the category of being the official TRANSFORMERS that HASBRO and TAKARA/TOMY intend and approve to put on the market. Be careful in your shopping, be cautious, be wise, and know what you are buying.
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Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693435)
Posted by Maxuz Prime on May 4th, 2008 @ 10:57pm CDT
this thread is a great ideal. i have been tring for as long as i can remember to get g1 optimus prime for my older brother and if i ever do and find out its a KO im going to be super pissed.

i only buy from stores like wal-mart, toys r us, ect. i hope that means im not buing KO.


again great thread.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693437)
Posted by muswp1 on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:04pm CDT
I'm starting to get fed up with the KO's too. I consider myself reasonably informed about what's geniune and what's not and I'm having a hard time telling between what's a KO and what's not. Aside from the obvious (minibot KO's packaged in robot mode, the Metrotitan KO in the wrong box, etc...), it can be hard for the uninformed to spot these fakes.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693439)
Posted by muswp1 on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:05pm CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:That was my intent.

If I can get someone with powers beyond mine to sticky it, we'll be all set.


Someone did. It's now stuck to the top of the Toys forum.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693449)
Posted by timothyVritchey on May 4th, 2008 @ 11:30pm CDT
are there any noticeable packaging differences, if so could you post visual comparison photographs.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693465)
Posted by Editor on May 5th, 2008 @ 12:01am CDT
I really am of 2 minds on this debate.

1 side:
I have bought(knowingly) a number of the KO's made recently, mostly cassettes, and the all black Prime shown in the first post. And with some the drop in quality is there, (Ratbat is really loose, and I had to take hobby tools to Primes tyres to try and fix them).

Knowing that these were fakes and that it gave me a chance to pick up some pieces that just weren't available previously I really don't mind who or how they were made, has given my collection aboost that i'm happy with.

And yes they are good for custom jobs. Clear plastic Buzzsaw + Gold weapons + Reprolabel show upgrade wing stickers = Crystal Buzzsaw full of win.

Other side:
As cool as I think it is to see fairly accurate G1 packaging on KO's, I believe this to be deceptive and cruel in the way some dealers will pass them off as originals. I tend to be rather paranoid in the first place whether pieces I'm looking at that are in good condition may be KO's regardless if they are genuine or not, and the place I buy KO's from is up front with everyone that the KO's he has are not originals. But as a fan it makes me sick to hear of some dealers or online sellers tricking/conning/lying to buyers about the pieces they are selling.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693493)
Posted by fenrir72 on May 5th, 2008 @ 1:37am CDT
Buyer beware, especially via Ebay. I'd hope the sellers will label them as "near accurate" copies of the originals instead of the real thing.

I recently purchased a devastator set and Grimlock Dinobot Bommander and I am astounded by the quality. It will "almost" pass of like the real thing.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693584)
Posted by Miguelangel on May 5th, 2008 @ 7:06am CDT
It would be useful if a list of those sellers on Ebay who list KO's is made public, in order to avoid them.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693622)
Posted by Kryptikore on May 5th, 2008 @ 8:29am CDT
I don't know about you guys, but knock off or not! I want one of those Optimus Pimp Primes! Bling Bling!
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693626)
Posted by TFBuyer on May 5th, 2008 @ 8:36am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:[
I have to say, I am guilty of buying some of the newest G1 accurate KO's (sorry HASBRO, I promise never to do it again). I did this because I knew there would never be a NEMESIS MIRAGE made, and also because I knew getting my hands on the red version of the G1 Mirage mold was as likely to happen as me winning the lottery to be able to afford it.


I've been eyeing these KOs for a while now...exactly how close to the original quality are these? I'm most interested in the clear version, as I think it would be an interesting piece to display with my G1s... I've heard they're some of the best quality KOs out there, but I've yet to take the plunge and drop $50 on one.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693643)
Posted by dragons on May 5th, 2008 @ 9:04am CDT
are there any noticeable packaging differences, if so could you post visual comparison photographs.


good question wandering about that my self

well worth the advice and information.

ebay i wouldnt count on ebay information to much when it comes to a seller some sellers will just say anything and just take your money and not ship the itme to you and there are other sellers that are honest and loyal to the sellers.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693652)
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 9:25am CDT
I had noticed on Grimlock KO eBay auctions that from the pictures its box has a typo, it says "Bommander" instead of "Commander" in his function section.

Other than that I'd really look forward to a dedicated section on this site, easily found by everyone, where all the "accurate" KOs were listed, with photos, comparison photos (to show the give-aways), and the known sellers on eBay that pass them as originals. It would be for the benefit of everyone.

I had bought a Superion and Devastator KO before but then I regreted it and want to get rid of them and buy the originals. I already have 3 original aerialbots. About Devastator I'm hoping for an Encore giftset... And I really got angry about the KOs after being sold a loose Buzzsaw being passed as an original on eBay. These are the KOs I have, and I want to switch them by their originals... what a waste of money it was, and my Devastator KO is one of the old ones, which weren't that good. I was deceived only on Buzzsaw though.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693671)
Posted by LuckytheWonderLlama on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:27am CDT
So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?

I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.

I'd settle for a KO.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693678)
Posted by T-Macksimus on May 5th, 2008 @ 10:36am CDT
Such info is of great use to someone like myself who frequents Thrift Stores, Swap Meets and garage sales in search of older figures and "parts bots". I have come across some great finds but have also picked up a few that I thought were kind of suspicious and after a lot of online digging, my suspicions were confirmed and those toys were tossed into the "parts and kitbash" tub. It took a lot of time to track down the right info since the copyright mark on 2 of the toys was worn down so badly they were unreadable. Having a list takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. (Seibertrons imense, detailed photo gallery helps a lot, too. I used it to double check on some subtle variations of G1 figures.)
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693694)
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:01am CDT
LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?

I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.

I'd settle for a KO.


Striped screws? Try the following:

http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/damaged_screw.html

http://www.aldn.com/xout/

I still haven't tried that, but I will on my Hot Spot in order to completely restore it.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693704)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:24am CDT
dragons wrote:
are there any noticeable packaging differences, if so could you post visual comparison photographs.


good question wandering about that my self

well worth the advice and information.

ebay i wouldnt count on ebay information to much when it comes to a seller some sellers will just say anything and just take your money and not ship the itme to you and there are other sellers that are honest and loyal to the sellers.


That's part of the problem, the packages are not different enough without any close handling to say it is not vintage. Unless you count the misspelled Bommander mentioned earlier.

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I just typed in 'Transformers Grimlock Reissue' on Ebay and got 40 returns, 16 of which were for the KO Grimlock. :-x

Putting seller names on a list is not really the answer either. Many sell other quality goods, and are not trying to mislead, although I have noticed the phrase 'Reissue KO' in many auctions.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693711)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:28am CDT
capellamusic wrote:
LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?

I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.

I'd settle for a KO.


Striped screws? Try the following:

http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/damaged_screw.html

http://www.aldn.com/xout/

I still haven't tried that, but I will on my Hot Spot in order to completely restore it.


BTW its stripped screws. Striped is like a zebra. Stripped in this case is like a screw that has been twisted so much and so hard that the metal has been cleaned out on the top, thus not allowing for resistance to the screwdriver's turn.

Pics of KO Boxes might help, might not. What do you guys think?
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693714)
Posted by fenrir72 on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:36am CDT
I own both Grimlock and the Constructicon Devastator set unofficial re-issue i.e KO.

First things first, the box and instruction manuals are replete with typos( not sure if it's intentional) but aside from some rough molding (Grimlock's case on his black parts and the energo sword) and the god@mn cheapo type of paper used on the labeling sheet, these products are near accurate recreations.

Devastator for instance( besides the paper based labels) is pretty solid and neatly molded. The chrome is thick and shiny, no blots (as compared with the G2 official orange re-issues which was pure cr@p.

Scavenger's right foot is kinda loose though....................

Why'd I buy one? Unless Takara'd re-issue an official one, I've just about given up on getting Grimlock second hand, same with the Constructicons.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693718)
Posted by capellamusic on May 5th, 2008 @ 11:40am CDT
tigertracks 24 wrote:
capellamusic wrote:
LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:So is it easier and cheaper to get KOs than endlessly struggle to find the real thing?

I would love to get my hands on a G1 Mirage since the one that I have is in two parts, broken at the waist and the screws are all striped so I can't open him up and replace the part.

I'd settle for a KO.


Striped screws? Try the following:

http://alsnetbiz.com/homeimprovement/damaged_screw.html

http://www.aldn.com/xout/

I still haven't tried that, but I will on my Hot Spot in order to completely restore it.


BTW its stripped screws. Striped is like a zebra. Stripped in this case is like a screw that has been twisted so much and so hard that the metal has been cleaned out on the top, thus not allowing for resistance to the screwdriver's turn.

Pics of KO Boxes might help, might not. What do you guys think?


Hey, I'm portuguese, I know that but when writing it I just followed the way LuckytheWonderLlama wrote it. And the solutions I posted are for this case with stripped screws. It's possible to unscrew them in some ways.

About the KOs, everything helps, pics, sellers, an so on... But of course, stating what are the give-aways in the pics.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (693917)
Posted by shakira on May 5th, 2008 @ 3:31pm CDT
The pure amount of KO's on eBay is sick. Then the prices they are asking are ridiculous as well. The endless amounts of Gestalts for 99 cents with 30 dollar shipping is gross. I dont agree totally on some of the early KO's meaning 80's. Some of the four star stuff was awesome. Plus they were nicely made too. BTW if anyone knows where I can get a KO Omega Supreme called the Cosmos Robot I would like to hear from you. N-e ways it is also Hasbro's fault for not reissuing the toys. I mean how hard can it be and there is money to be made as well. They are not meeting the demand pure and simple. It does not make right what the KO companies are doing but they are selling arent they. And if you sell a KO as a vintage G1 then you should be run over with a lawnmower.
Re: Accurate G1 KO's: How to identify them, and the list! (694116)
Posted by Tigertrack on May 5th, 2008 @ 6:31pm CDT
shakira wrote: N-e ways it is also Hasbro's fault for not reissuing the toys. I mean how hard can it be and there is money to be made as well. They are not meeting the demand pure and simple. It does not make right what the KO companies are doing but they are selling arent they. And if you sell a KO as a vintage G1 then you should be run over with a lawnmower.


While we would love to blame HASBRO for not re-issueing the whole Transformers line, you can't blame them. It's fairly cost prohibitive, caters to mainly the collector market only, and yet many of the toys must be modified to meet today's toy standard laws...unfortunate for us yes, but you can hardly blame them.

If they were to make KO quality product, it would probably be feasible.

BTW that Omega is awesome...I'd love to own one too. :D

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