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Possible First Look at Masterpiece Raiden Component
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Comment by Sabrblade
Aug 16, 2021
FINALLY!
Can't tell how big he is, though.
Can't tell how big he is, though.
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Comment by o.supreme
Aug 16, 2021
With all of the name reveals we've been getting for Legacy/2022. I thought to myself "I might not be getting any Transformers next year"...then I am reminded of this, all things happen for a purpose. Even if nothing in the mainline interests me, at least I can rest assured I'll hopefully be able to get Raiden. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Comment by optimeow
Aug 16, 2021
Highly detailed. That's good.
But the highly possible hole in my pocket. That's no good.
Considering the price of UW Devastator a few years ago, MP Raiden can easily be double the price of that.
But the highly possible hole in my pocket. That's no good.
Considering the price of UW Devastator a few years ago, MP Raiden can easily be double the price of that.
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Comment by o.supreme
Aug 16, 2021
CW Dev was $150 USD in 2015, UW Dev was roughly the same price, although because of imports and some of the added details it came with, most folks were paying around $200 when it came out in the end of 2015. It hasn't been confirmed if the components will be sold separately, or as a set? But f we could get the whole thing for around $400, I'd be ok. Sadly, that would also not be the most expensive combiner I have purchased in recent years. $60-$70 each though, a few months apart would defintely be easier on the budget for sure.
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Comment by Stormshot_Prime
Aug 16, 2021
God help us if these guys are in scale with the rest of the MP Line....
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I don't think these will be. Hudt comparing to the crack in the floor and assuming that is roughly standard, Shouki's train mode looks to he roughly HO Model Train Scale (1:87) ehich will put him as roughly 12" long. But I am also unsure of how they got such a wide bot out of such a narrow alt mode.
Comment by Flashwave
Aug 16, 2021
Stormshot_Prime wrote:God help us if these guys are in scale with the rest of the MP Line....
I don't think these will be. Hudt comparing to the crack in the floor and assuming that is roughly standard, Shouki's train mode looks to he roughly HO Model Train Scale (1:87) ehich will put him as roughly 12" long. But I am also unsure of how they got such a wide bot out of such a narrow alt mode.
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Will be more than double, closer to triple. This would be a $500-$600 combiner.
Comment by william-james88
Aug 16, 2021
optimeow wrote:Highly detailed. That's good.
But the highly possible hole in my pocket. That's no good.
Considering the price of UW Devastator a few years ago, MP Raiden can easily be double the price of that.
Will be more than double, closer to triple. This would be a $500-$600 combiner.
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Think Mudflap from TF: Cybertron...very long vehicle mode, but sturdy, wide robot mode. I think the shoulders run parallel to the length of the train mode and his legs do the splits.
Comment by First-Aid
Aug 16, 2021
Flashwave wrote:But I am also unsure of how they got such a wide bot out of such a narrow alt mode.
Think Mudflap from TF: Cybertron...very long vehicle mode, but sturdy, wide robot mode. I think the shoulders run parallel to the length of the train mode and his legs do the splits.
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The bot mode will be (which isn't any bigger than the Headmasters in the cartoon), it's Masterpiece after all. But just like the Seekers the alt mode will not be.
His transformation is very simple and to the point. Basically the arms go over his head, backpack goes above arms to make the front, legs push together, feet form the back. It's his ability to combine that makes him look so complicated and because of that the price will probably be closer to Arcee than Skids.
Emerje
Comment by Emerje
Aug 16, 2021
Stormshot_Prime wrote:God help us if these guys are in scale with the rest of the MP Line....
The bot mode will be (which isn't any bigger than the Headmasters in the cartoon), it's Masterpiece after all. But just like the Seekers the alt mode will not be.
His transformation is very simple and to the point. Basically the arms go over his head, backpack goes above arms to make the front, legs push together, feet form the back. It's his ability to combine that makes him look so complicated and because of that the price will probably be closer to Arcee than Skids.
Emerje
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Comment by Sabrblade
Aug 16, 2021
The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.
The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.
The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.
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Comment by Sherlock Zero
Aug 16, 2021
Based on the fact that Shouki (and the other Trainbots) are around Rodimus Convoy's height in The Headmasters [source],his figure should be anywhere between shoulder height to being nearly as tall as MP-9 Rodimus Convoy. 
So if anybody has both that figure (MP-10 Convoy V2 and MP-44 Convoy V3 should work too) and either "Titan Class" version of Devastator, I suggest that you scale those figures next to each other. This should give you (and probably us as well) a good idea on how tall his figure alone will be. Along with a better idea on how big Raiden will be when he is combined.
Either way, I am interested in the rumored "MP" Cliff figure. And since the rumors tied to the Legacy line are starting to bore me, I am going to hope this is not going to be a long-winded, expensive set.
So if anybody has both that figure (MP-10 Convoy V2 and MP-44 Convoy V3 should work too) and either "Titan Class" version of Devastator, I suggest that you scale those figures next to each other. This should give you (and probably us as well) a good idea on how tall his figure alone will be. Along with a better idea on how big Raiden will be when he is combined.
Either way, I am interested in the rumored "MP" Cliff figure. And since the rumors tied to the Legacy line are starting to bore me, I am going to hope this is not going to be a long-winded, expensive set.
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Comment by D-Maximal_Primal
Aug 16, 2021
Super excited to finally see some news on this! I am really stoked for the idea of getting an MP Raiden!!!
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I just can't imagine them making MP figures not in scale with MPs. What's the point? Make it a Selects or a one off, no need to shoehorn them into the wrong line, they'll sell regardless.
Emerje
Comment by Emerje
Aug 17, 2021
Sabrblade wrote:The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.
The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.
I just can't imagine them making MP figures not in scale with MPs. What's the point? Make it a Selects or a one off, no need to shoehorn them into the wrong line, they'll sell regardless.
Emerje
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Comment by -Kanrabat-
Aug 17, 2021
One thing is sure. That's one MP I'll NEVER get unless I win a million dollars. Because if I get that ultra expensive (price justified) MP, I'll want to hunt down the complete G1 original and we all know how much this goes for.
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Comment by Hellscream9999
Aug 17, 2021
Looks amazing, and like its going to be intolerably expensive
It's possible that they're giving it the name because the amount of detail/functionality/complexity is masterpiece level, kind of like how the rotf starscream was labelled a masterpiece, despite being a normal leader class figure
Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.
The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.
I just can't imagine them making MP figures not in scale with MPs. What's the point? Make it a Selects or a one off, no need to shoehorn them into the wrong line, they'll sell regardless.
Emerje
It's possible that they're giving it the name because the amount of detail/functionality/complexity is masterpiece level, kind of like how the rotf starscream was labelled a masterpiece, despite being a normal leader class figure
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His "Battle Up!" mode is supposed to be combiner-sized, while his standard robot mode is supposed to be of equal height to Perceptor (who is himself of equal height to the tall Autobot likes of Ironhide/Ratchet, Inferno/Grapple, and Hot Rod).
Yet, the standard robot mode of his MP is as small a typical Autobot Car (Prowl/Streak/Smokescreen, Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Hound, and Sunstreaker), while the "Battle Up!" mode is the same height as MP Ultra Magnus, MP-1 Convoy, and... the CW/UW/Potpie/Selects Combiners. The latter notion means that MP Star Saber is more correctly scaled for CHUG rather than Masterpiece.
Now, at the time that they were making him, I was certain they wouldn't be able to make Star Saber as big as he'd need to be, since this was before Titan class Devastator was even known about. But, at the very least, my hope was that Takara would at least be able to make him as big as Armada Unicron, since that toy was at least still much taller that foot-tall MPs like Magnus and MP-1.
But, with the onset of Titan class Devastator setting a new standard for Combiner height at MP scale, I do kinda still wish that MP Star Saber could have been bigger. At the very least, Armada Unicron-sized, if not taller.
Comment by Sabrblade
Aug 17, 2021
To be fair, that's exactly what they did with MP Star Saber. He's completely out of scale with any and all other MPs.Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The thing about his size is that that one magazine interview described him specifically as being "Unite Warriors size", which at first glance sounds like he'd be the height of a typical CW/UW/POTP/Selects combiner, which in turn would make Raiden CHUG scaled instead of proper MP scale.
The possibility does still remain that "Unite Warriors size" meant "Unite Warriors Devastator size", to make him proper MP scaled, but if that's the case, that begs the question of why the interview didn't just say that instead of the broader, less-specific "Unite Warriors size" since Devastator was the only UW toy of that height.
I just can't imagine them making MP figures not in scale with MPs. What's the point? Make it a Selects or a one off, no need to shoehorn them into the wrong line, they'll sell regardless.
Emerje
His "Battle Up!" mode is supposed to be combiner-sized, while his standard robot mode is supposed to be of equal height to Perceptor (who is himself of equal height to the tall Autobot likes of Ironhide/Ratchet, Inferno/Grapple, and Hot Rod).
Yet, the standard robot mode of his MP is as small a typical Autobot Car (Prowl/Streak/Smokescreen, Wheeljack, Sideswipe, Hound, and Sunstreaker), while the "Battle Up!" mode is the same height as MP Ultra Magnus, MP-1 Convoy, and... the CW/UW/Potpie/Selects Combiners. The latter notion means that MP Star Saber is more correctly scaled for CHUG rather than Masterpiece.
Now, at the time that they were making him, I was certain they wouldn't be able to make Star Saber as big as he'd need to be, since this was before Titan class Devastator was even known about. But, at the very least, my hope was that Takara would at least be able to make him as big as Armada Unicron, since that toy was at least still much taller that foot-tall MPs like Magnus and MP-1.
But, with the onset of Titan class Devastator setting a new standard for Combiner height at MP scale, I do kinda still wish that MP Star Saber could have been bigger. At the very least, Armada Unicron-sized, if not taller.
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My feeling is that I'll get "MP" Cliff and be done for the time being.
Not because my past experiences in the community (as a whole) always ended up being toxic, but because they always dump one means of doing this line for another. With the cap-off for me the moment every figure suddenly had to be their animated counterpart. Which has me actually look at how the characters scale in their anime series, while I wish I could follow that up by seeing how select MP scale with each other.
Or how MP figures that match a characters height scale against select Unite Warriors figures.
As for the original... Are we talking about the first (1987) individual figures, the giftset, or the second (1990) reissued figures? Either way, these complete (and MISB) will cost as much as a single 1990 reissue (MIB). With patience allowing you to get them for less via Mandarake.
Comment by Sherlock Zero
Aug 17, 2021
-Kanrabat- wrote:One thing is sure. That's one MP I'll NEVER get unless I win a million dollars. Because if I get that ultra expensive (price justified) MP, I'll want to hunt down the complete G1 original and we all know how much this goes for.
My feeling is that I'll get "MP" Cliff and be done for the time being.
Not because my past experiences in the community (as a whole) always ended up being toxic, but because they always dump one means of doing this line for another. With the cap-off for me the moment every figure suddenly had to be their animated counterpart. Which has me actually look at how the characters scale in their anime series, while I wish I could follow that up by seeing how select MP scale with each other.
Or how MP figures that match a characters height scale against select Unite Warriors figures.
As for the original... Are we talking about the first (1987) individual figures, the giftset, or the second (1990) reissued figures? Either way, these complete (and MISB) will cost as much as a single 1990 reissue (MIB). With patience allowing you to get them for less via Mandarake.
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Comment by whacko
Aug 17, 2021
I know Takara is limited by the cartoon character's design, and also that this is an engineering sample and not a final product... but this doesn't look like a Masterpiece figure. All the gaps, exposed hollow parts and ugly hinges make this look like a mainline quality toy.
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I was originally wondering if it was a 3P prototype, myself. The way the photo was shot had me wonder how the leaker got it. But also having been a fan of prototypes in the past, I am presuming that it is the actual item. And that the final product will look a whole lot better.
(Here is a LINK (click here) to his Collector Interview. It is worth checking out.)
Comment by Sherlock Zero
Aug 17, 2021
whacko wrote:I know Takara is limited by the cartoon character's design, and also that this is an engineering sample and not a final product... but this doesn't look like a Masterpiece figure. All the gaps, exposed hollow parts and ugly hinges make this look like a mainline quality toy.
I was originally wondering if it was a 3P prototype, myself. The way the photo was shot had me wonder how the leaker got it. But also having been a fan of prototypes in the past, I am presuming that it is the actual item. And that the final product will look a whole lot better.
(Here is a LINK (click here) to his Collector Interview. It is worth checking out.)
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You're going to have to point out the exposed gaps and hollow spots because I don't see any. And the hinges are a necessity due to him being a combiner. Once the clear plastic is painted over a lot of it wont be visible.
Emerje
Comment by Emerje
Aug 18, 2021
whacko wrote:I know Takara is limited by the cartoon character's design, and also that this is an engineering sample and not a final product... but this doesn't look like a Masterpiece figure. All the gaps, exposed hollow parts and ugly hinges make this look like a mainline quality toy.
You're going to have to point out the exposed gaps and hollow spots because I don't see any. And the hinges are a necessity due to him being a combiner. Once the clear plastic is painted over a lot of it wont be visible.
Emerje
