Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained
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Many were both confused and surprised that Titans Return Ramhorn was not a datapad to interact with Titans Return Blaster, mirroring the interaction of the G1 toys, and instead having Ramhorn just be a Titan Master. Well, you have to give Hasbro some credit because what they give you instead is something for the ages. You see, Japan had designed a ton of head only characters, here is a diagram of the lot of them.
Only a few made it to production with a finished product such as Lione...
...and Shuffler
Both of which are in the Titans Return line.
Well, take a look at this head, which was never made in the G1 era, and which turned into a rhinoceros.
This is the design used in the Ramhorn head the Titan Master turns into.
So this head is not just a take on G1 Ramhorn in Titans Return but it is also that Japan only character which was to be released with Lione, Shuffler and the others. And it is finally happening 30 years later. Like Shuffler and Lione, the animal the head would have turned into back in G1 is now a Rhinoceros vehicle for the Titan Master to interact with.
So this is a deep cut from Hasbro showing that old designs we think will never see the light of day actually get brought back.
Only a few made it to production with a finished product such as Lione...
...and Shuffler
Both of which are in the Titans Return line.
Well, take a look at this head, which was never made in the G1 era, and which turned into a rhinoceros.
This is the design used in the Ramhorn head the Titan Master turns into.
So this head is not just a take on G1 Ramhorn in Titans Return but it is also that Japan only character which was to be released with Lione, Shuffler and the others. And it is finally happening 30 years later. Like Shuffler and Lione, the animal the head would have turned into back in G1 is now a Rhinoceros vehicle for the Titan Master to interact with.
So this is a deep cut from Hasbro showing that old designs we think will never see the light of day actually get brought back.
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Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861653)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:38pm CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:38pm CST
Once again I find myself ending a bunch of tr reveals most excited by a titanmaster that turns into an animal...
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861654)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:40pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:40pm CST
A better comparison might be had with Giga's and Mega's actual cartoon models rather than the artwork from Overlord's original packaging:william-james88 wrote:I dont see much similarity between those titan masters and that artwork.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861656)
Posted by WreckerJack on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:41pm CST
Posted by WreckerJack on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:41pm CST
Its cute and tiny. I am kinda hoping they make Tantrum in some way shape or form. I can see they drew it up so there is hope, idk if it's Tantrum or just a bull tho. But either way I have an infatuation with horns.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861657)
Posted by william-james88 on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:41pm CST
It sure is no ramhorn, now that is freaken accurate to a T!
Posted by william-james88 on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:41pm CST
Sigma Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont see much similarity between those titan masters and that artwork.
It's not exact, but a lot of little details are there. Look closely.
It sure is no ramhorn, now that is freaken accurate to a T!
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861664)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:52pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:52pm CST
The side guns and head are Ramhorn's, though.william-james88 wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont see much similarity between those titan masters and that artwork.
It's not exact, but a lot of little details are there. Look closely.
It sure is no ramhorn, now that is freaken accurate to a T!
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861666)
Posted by Albatross250 on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:56pm CST
No They aren't dead, they were revived by Alpha Trion's Drill-something-warper that caused many Universes of the G1 and Masterforce which cause them to be alive, did you read the Chapter of Springer in the
Manga?
Also, Mega is revived, also Giga too
Posted by Albatross250 on February 20th, 2017 @ 10:56pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:
But the original Mega and Giga godmasters are dead. Unless they or their personalities still live in the armor?
No They aren't dead, they were revived by Alpha Trion's Drill-something-warper that caused many Universes of the G1 and Masterforce which cause them to be alive, did you read the Chapter of Springer in the
Manga?Also, Mega is revived, also Giga too
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861669)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:06pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:06pm CST
The Ultra-Drill doesn't bring people back from the dead. It just enables people to travel between universes. Mega's appearance there was most likely just a temporary thing, with her being brought there from (and sent back to) a time before her death.Albatross250 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:
But the original Mega and Giga godmasters are dead. Unless they or their personalities still live in the armor?
No They aren't dead, they were revived by Alpha Trion's Drill-something-warper that caused many Universes of the G1 and Masterforce which cause them to be alive, did you read the Chapter of Springer in the
Also, Mega is revived, also Giga too
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861670)
Posted by william-james88 on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:06pm CST
I was only referring to the head the titan master turns into.
Posted by william-james88 on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:06pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:The side guns and head are Ramhorn's, though.william-james88 wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont see much similarity between those titan masters and that artwork.
It's not exact, but a lot of little details are there. Look closely.
It sure is no ramhorn, now that is freaken accurate to a T!
I was only referring to the head the titan master turns into.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861671)
Posted by Albatross250 on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:10pm CST
So basically
is making some missing Headmasters based on the Japanese artwork. 
Posted by Albatross250 on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:10pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The side guns and head are Ramhorn's, though.william-james88 wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont see much similarity between those titan masters and that artwork.
It's not exact, but a lot of little details are there. Look closely.
It sure is no ramhorn, now that is freaken accurate to a T!
I was only referring to the head the titan master turns into.
So basically
is making some missing Headmasters based on the Japanese artwork.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861674)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:24pm CST
In other words, while the Beast Mode is G1 Cassette Ramhorn, the Head Mode is the unproduced rhino Master Warrior. Nice going Hasbro, if only for the sake of finding something to redeco/retool the Shuffler mold with.
For those curious, here are animals considered. Note that some are quite specific:
I: Alligator
J: Dugong
K: Black-banded Sea Krait (a type of sea snake)
L: Kouprey (a type of ox)
M: Malay Flying Lizard (most likely the Common Flying Lizard)
N: Indian Rhino
O: Jackson's Chameleon
P: Bear
Q: Cobra
R: Igunana
S: Chameleon
T: Crocodile
U: Buffalo
V: Wolf
W: Cougar
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:24pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:The side guns and head are Ramhorn's, though.william-james88 wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont see much similarity between those titan masters and that artwork.
It's not exact, but a lot of little details are there. Look closely.
It sure is no ramhorn, now that is freaken accurate to a T!
In other words, while the Beast Mode is G1 Cassette Ramhorn, the Head Mode is the unproduced rhino Master Warrior. Nice going Hasbro, if only for the sake of finding something to redeco/retool the Shuffler mold with.
For those curious, here are animals considered. Note that some are quite specific:
I: Alligator
J: Dugong
K: Black-banded Sea Krait (a type of sea snake)
L: Kouprey (a type of ox)
M: Malay Flying Lizard (most likely the Common Flying Lizard)
N: Indian Rhino
O: Jackson's Chameleon
P: Bear
Q: Cobra
R: Igunana
S: Chameleon
T: Crocodile
U: Buffalo
V: Wolf
W: Cougar
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861677)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:27pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:27pm CST
The beast mode has aspects of the Indian Rhino Headmaster as well.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The side guns and head are Ramhorn's, though.william-james88 wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I dont see much similarity between those titan masters and that artwork.
It's not exact, but a lot of little details are there. Look closely.
It sure is no ramhorn, now that is freaken accurate to a T!
In other words, while the Beast Mode is G1 Cassette Ramhorn, the Head Mode is the unproduced rhino Master Warrior
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861681)
Posted by Un_Chakal on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:56pm CST
Posted by Un_Chakal on February 20th, 2017 @ 11:56pm CST
It's all good, Ramhorn can be Blaster's additional gun just like I have Overboard Overslay Overkill in Soundwave's hand now or by his side.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861683)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 21st, 2017 @ 12:00am CST
Similarly, but not necessarily the same. Where TR Sixshot fails spectacularly on almost every level for me - proprtions, poseability, sculpted detail - Overlord here at least has those in good form. Now where he loses points is the fact that Sky Shadow actually looks way better in that mold I think, probably in part due to the hype and excitement in waiting to see him. He never could have lived up to the beloved IDW characterization, but at least he doesn't straight up suck. (This is, of course, my own opinion on Sixshot.). Now, I would have liked to see Hasbro go to greater lengths to give him that gloriously sinister snarl/smile; with the faces being so important in this toyline, that's a missed opportunity in my mind.
And to your question of which continuity the toyline is following - be it G1 or Alligned - I'm not entirely sure my thoughts here will alleviate your headache or worsen it, but here goes. Obviously, the toyline is primarily G1, but we have and will continue to see additions from other series. Thrilling 30 had Beast Wars and Armada in the mix, Combiner Wars added new characters to well establieshed teams, and Titans Return has given us more Armada stuff and even a character who has never had a retail-release figure in Alpha Trion, who was made important by the Alligned continuity as far as the modern telling is concerned.
And don't forget, we're still seeing some of the effects of The Covenant of Primus in the media: while TF: Prime and the WFC/FOC games have ended, the IDW comics brought in the idea of the original 13 primes, and so far IDW is the closest thing we really have to "The New G1." So I guess my point is, don't worry too much about the continuity of the toyline itself. Now my head hurts too.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 21st, 2017 @ 12:00am CST
william-james88 wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:Will, you mentioned the digital integration. Much as I'd like to see that happen across the board for all transformers toys, do you really think that might be the Power of the Primes gimmick? It seems wierd that the flagship Generations line would follow the suit of the tv-tie-in RID line.
I was just thinking myself what the new gimmick could be, and I wondered; what if it's accessories? Eh? What always seems to be the difining artifact of primehood? The matrix. Now obviosuly not everyone can have a matrix. But what if everyone had a stupid Mech Tech weapon, or perhaps they go Cyber Planet Keys, which would unlock the so-called "power".
Heck, there's even precedent. Doesnt each of the original Primes have their own artifact? The Magnus Hammer, The Forge of Solus, etc?
In the alligned continuity yeah, they all have their own legendary accessories. Although I dont konw how much of g1 is picking up on alligned and where the toyline is now. If they do 13 primes in the generations line then does that mean that the generations line is not a reinterpretation of G1 but of the alligned ocntinuity instead? My head hurts.
Anyways... about me thinking if the ditigal integration is the line wide gimmick, yes I do 100%. This is of course pure speculation but its what I believe. People have been reading between the lines as to what hasbro was expressing during the last week-end when people asked reps random questions and the general consensus is that the gimick is line wide but wont have the same customisation angle (of CW or TR). So that lines up with the other rumours of it being more digital based. Its just a lot of rmours lining up together.
Anyways, Nemesis Maximo, I have a question for you. I remember what you said about TR Sixshot. Do you feel similarly to TR Overlord?
Similarly, but not necessarily the same. Where TR Sixshot fails spectacularly on almost every level for me - proprtions, poseability, sculpted detail - Overlord here at least has those in good form. Now where he loses points is the fact that Sky Shadow actually looks way better in that mold I think, probably in part due to the hype and excitement in waiting to see him. He never could have lived up to the beloved IDW characterization, but at least he doesn't straight up suck. (This is, of course, my own opinion on Sixshot.). Now, I would have liked to see Hasbro go to greater lengths to give him that gloriously sinister snarl/smile; with the faces being so important in this toyline, that's a missed opportunity in my mind.
And to your question of which continuity the toyline is following - be it G1 or Alligned - I'm not entirely sure my thoughts here will alleviate your headache or worsen it, but here goes. Obviously, the toyline is primarily G1, but we have and will continue to see additions from other series. Thrilling 30 had Beast Wars and Armada in the mix, Combiner Wars added new characters to well establieshed teams, and Titans Return has given us more Armada stuff and even a character who has never had a retail-release figure in Alpha Trion, who was made important by the Alligned continuity as far as the modern telling is concerned.
And don't forget, we're still seeing some of the effects of The Covenant of Primus in the media: while TF: Prime and the WFC/FOC games have ended, the IDW comics brought in the idea of the original 13 primes, and so far IDW is the closest thing we really have to "The New G1." So I guess my point is, don't worry too much about the continuity of the toyline itself. Now my head hurts too.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861685)
Posted by Kurona on February 21st, 2017 @ 12:16am CST
Posted by Kurona on February 21st, 2017 @ 12:16am CST
The answer's really quite simple. The toyline is very clearly G1-centric - though fortunately, other things like JG1, IDW, Armada and hopefully going by the vote Beast Wars are starting to leak through - but there are certain things that have happened since G1 that Hasbro just wants to say how things are, like the 13 as portrayed in Aligned. Think of it as no different as when the Matrix of Leadership was retroactively said to have been in Optimus' chest for Seasons 1 and 2 in the movie, or when Beast Wars said that every Transformer has a spark within them, or how the Enigma of Combination is suddenly everywhere. If G1 is retconned to have always had the 13 as portrayed in Aligned, then that's just how it is.
tl;dr - it's G1 but we have the Aligned version of the 13 in it now
tl;dr - it's G1 but we have the Aligned version of the 13 in it now
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861688)
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 12:38am CST
That makes sense. Maybe during the Masterforce episode, A3 pulled them out and returned them back within a nanosecond with non knowing the wiser.
Reminds me of Kal El's stint as a member of LoSH. in the past, he was gone like a minute while in the future, cut his teeth in what is like a lifetime as a Legionnaire. Time travel paradoxes indeed
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 12:38am CST
Sabrblade wrote:The Ultra-Drill doesn't bring people back from the dead. It just enables people to travel between universes. Mega's appearance there was most likely just a temporary thing, with her being brought there from (and sent back to) a time before her death.Albatross250 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:
But the original Mega and Giga godmasters are dead. Unless they or their personalities still live in the armor?
No They aren't dead, they were revived by Alpha Trion's Drill-something-warper that caused many Universes of the G1 and Masterforce which cause them to be alive, did you read the Chapter of Springer in the
Also, Mega is revived, also Giga too
That makes sense. Maybe during the Masterforce episode, A3 pulled them out and returned them back within a nanosecond with non knowing the wiser.
Reminds me of Kal El's stint as a member of LoSH. in the past, he was gone like a minute while in the future, cut his teeth in what is like a lifetime as a Legionnaire. Time travel paradoxes indeed
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861691)
Posted by Emerje on February 21st, 2017 @ 1:35am CST
Posted by Emerje on February 21st, 2017 @ 1:35am CST
Finally! 10 pages and I've finally caught up! I should have just taken Saturday off from work...
As far as what I want from Titans Return at Toy Fair this year, that's easily summed up.
Yeah, there isn't anything there I don't want, it's going to be a great year! I don't want to spend a lot of time on picking things apart, but I will make a few quick comments.
I'm very curious about what Takara Tomy plans to do with Trypticon. All of my Titans have been Japanese thus far and I have no regrets since I feel they've all been far superior to the Hasbro versions. But looking at Trypticon I really can't see anything that needs improving. Adding a light up Brunt is about the only improvement I can think of and that would probably require Hasbro doing the same for SDCC (along with lots of chrome).
Overlord would make a really neat G.I.Joe crossover in a Cobra Night Raven deco with a Strato Viper Titan Master and Seeker head. Not even close to comic perfect, but good enough for me.
Not crazy about Seaspray's face just being slightly covered by a panel. Any shots of how the Titan Master stores in him? Also strange that they displayed him with other figures we've seen finished and in stores, but also hand painted.
I'm really sold on the box sets (they're like cheap BotCon sets), especially one of them being a BBTS exclusive. TRU exclusives are so hard for me to find offline and aren't much better on their site. We'll see what happens, but I feel like it'll be hard for me to get that TRU set.
I know people are complaining about certain things not being in the sets that were originally rumored, but I think it's possibly we'll see them in other sets. With Super Ginrai being used there's a really good chance that Godbomber will show up as a Leader class figure for one of the other sets (Firepower most likely if that's really how the naming works). That would still leave another Leader for the intelligence set. Maybe Thunderwing? I know we're getting his Titan Master already, but why not consider it an alternative? Make Sky Shadow and Overlord jealous by giving him two pilots. It's not like these sets have rules.
Ramhorn might be my new favorite Titan Master. I want one in orange and purple very badly!
Legal =/= official. They aren't official, they're simply legal due to the nature of Wonderfest, Comiket, and other such events that allow these to be sold legally for the day (though they can be sold second hand anytime).
Emerje
As far as what I want from Titans Return at Toy Fair this year, that's easily summed up.
Yeah, there isn't anything there I don't want, it's going to be a great year! I don't want to spend a lot of time on picking things apart, but I will make a few quick comments.
I'm very curious about what Takara Tomy plans to do with Trypticon. All of my Titans have been Japanese thus far and I have no regrets since I feel they've all been far superior to the Hasbro versions. But looking at Trypticon I really can't see anything that needs improving. Adding a light up Brunt is about the only improvement I can think of and that would probably require Hasbro doing the same for SDCC (along with lots of chrome).
Overlord would make a really neat G.I.Joe crossover in a Cobra Night Raven deco with a Strato Viper Titan Master and Seeker head. Not even close to comic perfect, but good enough for me.
Not crazy about Seaspray's face just being slightly covered by a panel. Any shots of how the Titan Master stores in him? Also strange that they displayed him with other figures we've seen finished and in stores, but also hand painted.
I'm really sold on the box sets (they're like cheap BotCon sets), especially one of them being a BBTS exclusive. TRU exclusives are so hard for me to find offline and aren't much better on their site. We'll see what happens, but I feel like it'll be hard for me to get that TRU set.
I know people are complaining about certain things not being in the sets that were originally rumored, but I think it's possibly we'll see them in other sets. With Super Ginrai being used there's a really good chance that Godbomber will show up as a Leader class figure for one of the other sets (Firepower most likely if that's really how the naming works). That would still leave another Leader for the intelligence set. Maybe Thunderwing? I know we're getting his Titan Master already, but why not consider it an alternative? Make Sky Shadow and Overlord jealous by giving him two pilots. It's not like these sets have rules.
Ramhorn might be my new favorite Titan Master. I want one in orange and purple very badly!
fenrir72 wrote:That Metalhawk fig doesn't do the character justice!Heck, even the official scratch model kit of the character in Wonderfest 2017 floors this piece of turd by lightyears!!
Legal =/= official. They aren't official, they're simply legal due to the nature of Wonderfest, Comiket, and other such events that allow these to be sold legally for the day (though they can be sold second hand anytime).
Emerje
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861693)
Posted by Kurona on February 21st, 2017 @ 1:44am CST
Posted by Kurona on February 21st, 2017 @ 1:44am CST
The Metalhawk figure does work for his Masterforce incarnation. Sure, there's a few inaccuracies; but unlike Nautica these actually seem to benefit him by giving him a more interesting visual identity (the cockpit chest, for instance).
And, something I've not seen brought up yet... it kind of continues a trend started by ROTF Bludgeon and (to some extent) Generations 2011 Skullgrin. Combining a pretender inner robot with their alt mode and the much more interesting visual elements of their outer shell. It's something I enjoyed quite a bit, and even when it's a simple redeco like this, it works wonders as an update. They weren't exactly going to be able to make a full Pretender shell for him or, alternatively, make him look close to his IDW counterpart; so this is a very, very nice alternative especially when it's of a mold a lot of people considered toy of the year. He's possibly the best thing about these boxsets so far aside from the Primes and Clones.
And, something I've not seen brought up yet... it kind of continues a trend started by ROTF Bludgeon and (to some extent) Generations 2011 Skullgrin. Combining a pretender inner robot with their alt mode and the much more interesting visual elements of their outer shell. It's something I enjoyed quite a bit, and even when it's a simple redeco like this, it works wonders as an update. They weren't exactly going to be able to make a full Pretender shell for him or, alternatively, make him look close to his IDW counterpart; so this is a very, very nice alternative especially when it's of a mold a lot of people considered toy of the year. He's possibly the best thing about these boxsets so far aside from the Primes and Clones.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861701)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on February 21st, 2017 @ 2:54am CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on February 21st, 2017 @ 2:54am CST
Heh. Ramhorn ends up having a far better animal mode than any of his data-sette buddies. And is oddly enough what some friends and I discussed some time ago when complaining that Blaster and Soundwave are far too big as Leader class figures and that their minions would have made more sense in this line as Titan Masters instead of those weird table-like forms they ended up with. They'd be cheaper too. Could sell them in packs of two or three.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861702)
Posted by RAR on February 21st, 2017 @ 2:59am CST
Posted by RAR on February 21st, 2017 @ 2:59am CST
If Kabaya made a Triggerhappy toy then one could justify repainting it as Metal Hawk and giving it a suitable pretender shell now.
Speaking of Pretenders - how about a concept where there were Pretenders with full mobile arms and legs that interacted with something similar to Titanmasters vehicles or The Micromaster-Targetmaster types ?
Imagine a figure similar to a Masher only with a hollow torso. The only reason I wouldn't suggest headmaster/pretenders is it limits the function of the beast type Pretenders and might look a bit weird to have humanoid faces on a headmaster/titanmaster.
But that diagram posted just above <- shows the idea has some merit perhaps to find a use for those Headmasters - but I guess they are all the wrong size now. But as soon as they made Humanoid Titanmasters It did cross my mind as to the possibility of animal themed ones too.
Speaking of Pretenders - how about a concept where there were Pretenders with full mobile arms and legs that interacted with something similar to Titanmasters vehicles or The Micromaster-Targetmaster types ?
Imagine a figure similar to a Masher only with a hollow torso. The only reason I wouldn't suggest headmaster/pretenders is it limits the function of the beast type Pretenders and might look a bit weird to have humanoid faces on a headmaster/titanmaster.
But that diagram posted just above <- shows the idea has some merit perhaps to find a use for those Headmasters - but I guess they are all the wrong size now. But as soon as they made Humanoid Titanmasters It did cross my mind as to the possibility of animal themed ones too.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861706)
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 3:34am CST
This version of metalhawk is purely inner robot based. For what you're talking about with the shell as the robot mode, you need to see the botcon metahawk from a few years ago that used the deluxe thunderwing as the base. Red chest, human face. But I'd be happy to see more if that come up in figures. It was a great idea.
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 3:34am CST
Kurona wrote:The Metalhawk figure does work for his Masterforce incarnation. Sure, there's a few inaccuracies; but unlike Nautica these actually seem to benefit him by giving him a more interesting visual identity (the cockpit chest, for instance).
And, something I've not seen brought up yet... it kind of continues a trend started by ROTF Bludgeon and (to some extent) Generations 2011 Skullgrin. Combining a pretender inner robot with their alt mode and the much more interesting visual elements of their outer shell. It's something I enjoyed quite a bit, and even when it's a simple redeco like this, it works wonders as an update. They weren't exactly going to be able to make a full Pretender shell for him or, alternatively, make him look close to his IDW counterpart; so this is a very, very nice alternative especially when it's of a mold a lot of people considered toy of the year. He's possibly the best thing about these boxsets so far aside from the Primes and Clones.
This version of metalhawk is purely inner robot based. For what you're talking about with the shell as the robot mode, you need to see the botcon metahawk from a few years ago that used the deluxe thunderwing as the base. Red chest, human face. But I'd be happy to see more if that come up in figures. It was a great idea.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861708)
Posted by Kurona on February 21st, 2017 @ 4:06am CST
Yyyyeah, my mistake; I was remembering his Pretender shell as being the one with the Jet mode. Mixing up Ultra Pretenders and Mega Pretenders and whatever other variants they had.
... still, it's a nice update that reminds me of the likes of Generations 2011 Scourge and Classics Astrotrain. That wonderful little aesthetic where it's not an exact remake, but a fun little revamp of the character in order to make them more look a bit more interesting while still retaining all the key visual iconography. And despite this being simple a redeco with a new head, I think TR Metalhawk pulls it off well.
Posted by Kurona on February 21st, 2017 @ 4:06am CST
Insurgent wrote:Kurona wrote:The Metalhawk figure does work for his Masterforce incarnation. Sure, there's a few inaccuracies; but unlike Nautica these actually seem to benefit him by giving him a more interesting visual identity (the cockpit chest, for instance).
And, something I've not seen brought up yet... it kind of continues a trend started by ROTF Bludgeon and (to some extent) Generations 2011 Skullgrin. Combining a pretender inner robot with their alt mode and the much more interesting visual elements of their outer shell. It's something I enjoyed quite a bit, and even when it's a simple redeco like this, it works wonders as an update. They weren't exactly going to be able to make a full Pretender shell for him or, alternatively, make him look close to his IDW counterpart; so this is a very, very nice alternative especially when it's of a mold a lot of people considered toy of the year. He's possibly the best thing about these boxsets so far aside from the Primes and Clones.
This version of metalhawk is purely inner robot based. For what you're talking about with the shell as the robot mode, you need to see the botcon metahawk from a few years ago that used the deluxe thunderwing as the base. Red chest, human face. But I'd be happy to see more if that come up in figures. It was a great idea.
Yyyyeah, my mistake; I was remembering his Pretender shell as being the one with the Jet mode. Mixing up Ultra Pretenders and Mega Pretenders and whatever other variants they had.
... still, it's a nice update that reminds me of the likes of Generations 2011 Scourge and Classics Astrotrain. That wonderful little aesthetic where it's not an exact remake, but a fun little revamp of the character in order to make them more look a bit more interesting while still retaining all the key visual iconography. And despite this being simple a redeco with a new head, I think TR Metalhawk pulls it off well.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861725)
Posted by Cobotron on February 21st, 2017 @ 7:27am CST
Posted by Cobotron on February 21st, 2017 @ 7:27am CST
Thanks everybody for confirming for me just who Metal Hawk is. I thought he was the Pretender but wasn't sure, and hadn't taken the time to research it.
#can'tknowerrythangallthetime
So what does IDW's Metal Hawk look like? Was he the bot that Bee hung out with in Robots In Disguise that was the leader of the non faction bots. Kind of drawn like the pterodactyl from Cybertron?
#can'tknowerrythangallthetime
So what does IDW's Metal Hawk look like? Was he the bot that Bee hung out with in Robots In Disguise that was the leader of the non faction bots. Kind of drawn like the pterodactyl from Cybertron?
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861726)
Posted by RodimusConvoy13 on February 21st, 2017 @ 7:33am CST
Yes, he's the one that hung around with Bumblebee.
I think the TR version suits him alright.
Posted by RodimusConvoy13 on February 21st, 2017 @ 7:33am CST
Cobotron wrote:Thanks everybody for confirming for me just who Metal Hawk is. I thought he was the Pretender but wasn't sure, and hadn't taken the time to research it.
#can'tknowerrythangallthetime
So what does IDW's Metal Hawk look like? Was he the bot that Bee hung out with in Robots In Disguise that was the leader of the non faction bots. Kind of drawn like the pterodactyl from Cybertron?
Yes, he's the one that hung around with Bumblebee.
I think the TR version suits him alright.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861733)
Posted by Cobotron on February 21st, 2017 @ 7:49am CST
Who needs to do research with friends like y'all.
Posted by Cobotron on February 21st, 2017 @ 7:49am CST
Thank you kind sir!RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Yes, he's the one that hung around with Bumblebee.
Who needs to do research with friends like y'all.
Agreed. Kind of a nice blend of both designs.RodimusConvoy13 wrote:I think the TR version suits him alright.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861746)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:37am CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:37am CST
When you reach deep down there and pull out a concept that never made it to the plastic surface, and you turn it into a modern toy, that is awesome. Ramhorn, and the titan master class in general, is really hitting it home peeps!
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861747)
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:40am CST
I'm not going into the argument over legalities. The Metalhawk example I posted is NOT 3rd Party. Takara has officially allowed the maker to sell the likeness without any legal impediment.And I know for a limited time. That is enough for me.
The Hb Metalhawk does NOT do the figure justice! Heck, even my original die-cast Metalhawk floors that piece of slag!
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:40am CST
Emerje wrote:Finally! 10 pages and I've finally caught up! I should have just taken Saturday off from work...
As far as what I want from Titans Return at Toy Fair this year, that's easily summed up.
Yeah, there isn't anything there I don't want, it's going to be a great year! I don't want to spend a lot of time on picking things apart, but I will make a few quick comments.
I'm very curious about what Takara Tomy plans to do with Trypticon. All of my Titans have been Japanese thus far and I have no regrets since I feel they've all been far superior to the Hasbro versions. But looking at Trypticon I really can't see anything that needs improving. Adding a light up Brunt is about the only improvement I can think of and that would probably require Hasbro doing the same for SDCC (along with lots of chrome).
Overlord would make a really neat G.I.Joe crossover in a Cobra Night Raven deco with a Strato Viper Titan Master and Seeker head. Not even close to comic perfect, but good enough for me.
Not crazy about Seaspray's face just being slightly covered by a panel. Any shots of how the Titan Master stores in him? Also strange that they displayed him with other figures we've seen finished and in stores, but also hand painted.
I'm really sold on the box sets (they're like cheap BotCon sets), especially one of them being a BBTS exclusive. TRU exclusives are so hard for me to find offline and aren't much better on their site. We'll see what happens, but I feel like it'll be hard for me to get that TRU set.
I know people are complaining about certain things not being in the sets that were originally rumored, but I think it's possibly we'll see them in other sets. With Super Ginrai being used there's a really good chance that Godbomber will show up as a Leader class figure for one of the other sets (Firepower most likely if that's really how the naming works). That would still leave another Leader for the intelligence set. Maybe Thunderwing? I know we're getting his Titan Master already, but why not consider it an alternative? Make Sky Shadow and Overlord jealous by giving him two pilots. It's not like these sets have rules.
Ramhorn might be my new favorite Titan Master. I want one in orange and purple very badly!fenrir72 wrote:That Metalhawk fig doesn't do the character justice!
Legal =/= official. They aren't official, they're simply legal due to the nature of Wonderfest, Comiket, and other such events that allow these to be sold legally for the day (though they can be sold second hand anytime).
Emerje
I'm not going into the argument over legalities. The Metalhawk example I posted is NOT 3rd Party. Takara has officially allowed the maker to sell the likeness without any legal impediment.And I know for a limited time. That is enough for me.
The Hb Metalhawk does NOT do the figure justice! Heck, even my original die-cast Metalhawk floors that piece of slag!
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861750)
Posted by Va'al on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:49am CST
Posted by Va'al on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:49am CST
fenrir72 wrote:I'm not going into the argument over legalities. The Metalhawk example I posted is NOT 3rd Party. Takara has officially allowed the maker to sell the likeness without any legal impediment.And I know for a limited time. That is enough for me.
The Hb Metalhawk does NOT do the figure justice! Heck, even my original die-cast Metalhawk floors that piece of slag!
Emerje wrote:Legal =/= official. They aren't official, they're simply legal due to the nature of Wonderfest, Comiket, and other such events that allow these to be sold legally for the day (though they can be sold second hand anytime).
Emerje
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861751)
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:54am CST
I disagree, I think it looks really good, especially taking hint at the bulky torso of the G1 toy.
Quick comparison
G1 Metalhawk
Transformers G1 1988 Metalhawk Gallery
TR Metalhawk
Garage Kit Metalhawk
At least the TR one goes more towards gold rather than yellow for the chest, which I think is super cool. Its defintel more an homage to the toy colours.
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 8:54am CST
fenrir72 wrote:The Hb Metalhawk does NOT do the figure justice! Heck, even my original die-cast Metalhawk floors that piece of slag!
I disagree, I think it looks really good, especially taking hint at the bulky torso of the G1 toy.
Quick comparison
G1 Metalhawk
Transformers G1 1988 Metalhawk Gallery
TR Metalhawk
Garage Kit Metalhawk
At least the TR one goes more towards gold rather than yellow for the chest, which I think is super cool. Its defintel more an homage to the toy colours.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861753)
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 9:23am CST
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 9:23am CST
You know, looking at those Metalhawk pics, I think I'm liking him more. I may keep him from the boxoset afterall.
And, quote from somewhere, yes, Overlord is just an upscaled G1 toy. And while he's not a perfect Overlord (I don't like his helmet, it looks doofy like Sixshot's does), he's of a decent size for my shelf and not way, way expensive like the third party one. Which is why I'm more forgiving of this guy than Trupticon being the same.
And, whoever was mentioning about the right chest flap. Takara doesn't need to do anything, you can see that's got a hinge on the outside like the left, so it's safe to say both chests open and store a titan master. Although I would have preferred if his blue was a bit darker, make him a little more menacing.
And, quote from somewhere, yes, Overlord is just an upscaled G1 toy. And while he's not a perfect Overlord (I don't like his helmet, it looks doofy like Sixshot's does), he's of a decent size for my shelf and not way, way expensive like the third party one. Which is why I'm more forgiving of this guy than Trupticon being the same.
And, whoever was mentioning about the right chest flap. Takara doesn't need to do anything, you can see that's got a hinge on the outside like the left, so it's safe to say both chests open and store a titan master. Although I would have preferred if his blue was a bit darker, make him a little more menacing.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861759)
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 9:52am CST
I wish I had a like button, I agree with all of this. Darker shades and a leff doofy helmet would have done wonders for overlord. But I am still getting him.
Man, I cant believe Black shadow looks better to me.
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 9:52am CST
Insurgent wrote:You know, looking at those Metalhawk pics, I think I'm liking him more. I may keep him from the boxoset afterall.
And, quote from somewhere, yes, Overlord is just an upscaled G1 toy. And while he's not a perfect Overlord (I don't like his helmet, it looks doofy like Sixshot's does), he's of a decent size for my shelf and not way, way expensive like the third party one. Which is why I'm more forgiving of this guy than Trupticon being the same.
And, whoever was mentioning about the right chest flap. Takara doesn't need to do anything, you can see that's got a hinge on the outside like the left, so it's safe to say both chests open and store a titan master. Although I would have preferred if his blue was a bit darker, make him a little more menacing.
I wish I had a like button, I agree with all of this. Darker shades and a leff doofy helmet would have done wonders for overlord. But I am still getting him.
Man, I cant believe Black shadow looks better to me.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861760)
Posted by o.supreme on February 21st, 2017 @ 9:53am CST
Posted by o.supreme on February 21st, 2017 @ 9:53am CST
So..went to Wal-Mart yesterday. The same day I finally see a Leader Soundwave on a toyshelf (Wave 2), is the same day I see, and purchase Shuffler and Repugnus (Wave 4 TM's...)....
So now I am just waiting on Sixshot, and Sky Shadow (also waiting to see Wave 3 Voyagers even though I wont be purchasing them).
As for NYTF. What was shown was ok...I guess I just don't *get* the idea of selling box sets for this line. I mean with CW you obviously have a theme, with 5 (or 6) robots that combine to make one larger one. With the Cybertron and Velocitron set, they just seem to be random recolored figures. I see these having huge resell on eBay as people will be breaking them up because only one or two are desired from each. I'll admit I'm glad I didn't spent almost $100 to get the Japanese version of Super Ginrai, since Hasbro is releasing him, but without the God Bomber, it seems kind of pointless.
Also I'm very disappointed in Quickswitch, seems like a very lazy release, this would have worked much better as Greatshot (which is arguably just as well known as Sky Shadow in North America, in fact GS appeared in more episodes of Victory than Black Shadow). so I don't know why they went with Quickswitch who had basically zero appearances in media (at least in the United States) other than in the toy commercials in 1988.
Trypticon looks great, Overlord does also -I'll definitely be getting both of those. I wish a little more would have been shown of individual Deluxes and TM's, but I guess you cant have everything.
Also if someone can confirm...I assume what was shown at NYTF was not all of the remainder of the TR line? Or was all of wave 5 and 6 basically revealed?
So now I am just waiting on Sixshot, and Sky Shadow (also waiting to see Wave 3 Voyagers even though I wont be purchasing them).
As for NYTF. What was shown was ok...I guess I just don't *get* the idea of selling box sets for this line. I mean with CW you obviously have a theme, with 5 (or 6) robots that combine to make one larger one. With the Cybertron and Velocitron set, they just seem to be random recolored figures. I see these having huge resell on eBay as people will be breaking them up because only one or two are desired from each. I'll admit I'm glad I didn't spent almost $100 to get the Japanese version of Super Ginrai, since Hasbro is releasing him, but without the God Bomber, it seems kind of pointless.
Also I'm very disappointed in Quickswitch, seems like a very lazy release, this would have worked much better as Greatshot (which is arguably just as well known as Sky Shadow in North America, in fact GS appeared in more episodes of Victory than Black Shadow). so I don't know why they went with Quickswitch who had basically zero appearances in media (at least in the United States) other than in the toy commercials in 1988.
Trypticon looks great, Overlord does also -I'll definitely be getting both of those. I wish a little more would have been shown of individual Deluxes and TM's, but I guess you cant have everything.
Also if someone can confirm...I assume what was shown at NYTF was not all of the remainder of the TR line? Or was all of wave 5 and 6 basically revealed?
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861762)
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:00am CST
Oh God.
I know we don't get along with the other sites but I think Tfw2005 recently updated their forums with a like button something similar here on Seibertron would be cool.
But only if there is no "downvote" button to go alongside it otherwise Seibertron would turn into Reddit and it's "disagree" button thing it becomes sometimes.
Anyways I think were all surprised that Black Shadow looks more interesting.
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:00am CST
william-james88 wrote:
Garage Kit Metalhawk
Oh God.
william-james88 wrote:I wish I had a like button, I agree with all of this. Darker shades and a leff doofy helmet would have done wonders for overlord. But I am still getting him.
Man, I cant believe Black shadow looks better to me.
I know we don't get along with the other sites but I think Tfw2005 recently updated their forums with a like button something similar here on Seibertron would be cool.
But only if there is no "downvote" button to go alongside it otherwise Seibertron would turn into Reddit and it's "disagree" button thing it becomes sometimes.
Anyways I think were all surprised that Black Shadow looks more interesting.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861763)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:02am CST
I'm pretty sure most of wave 5 was revealed and none of wave 6. Wave 5 so far (might be missing a few):
TM Ramhorn
Legends Cosmos (re-issue) and Seaspray
Deluxe Windblade and Topspin
Voyager Blitzwing and Octone
Leader Overlord
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:02am CST
o.supreme wrote:Also if someone can confirm...I assume what was shown at NYTF was not all of the remainder of the TR line? Or was all of wave 5 and 6 basically revealed?
I'm pretty sure most of wave 5 was revealed and none of wave 6. Wave 5 so far (might be missing a few):
TM Ramhorn
Legends Cosmos (re-issue) and Seaspray
Deluxe Windblade and Topspin
Voyager Blitzwing and Octone
Leader Overlord
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861765)
Posted by o.supreme on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:13am CST
Posted by o.supreme on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:13am CST
Sounds about right. Thanks. Wave 5 seems a little sparse, but oh well.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861766)
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:14am CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:14am CST
I'll start taking offers now for the Metal hawk figure.
I may or may not be open to favors.
I may or may not be open to favors.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861767)
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:17am CST
It's a "garage kit". If you have mad skillz you can paint it gold. Aaaaaaaaaaand why not invest on a "new" mold for Metalhawk instead of recycling one?
The original and the garage kit are technically very simple designs.
And, Metalhawk wasn't bulky. More like a slim built fast hit and run warrior.
But then, its the corporate mindset to milk the most on an invested mold (cough Jetfire cough Seekers). I get that. But given that the character is/was a heavy hitter JP wise.....more like an Optimus type character in Masterforce until Ginrai took over and an equivalent to Starsaber (who IDW turned into a psychopath). Metalhawk really deserves his own mold/design.
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:17am CST
william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:The Hb Metalhawk does NOT do the figure justice! Heck, even my original die-cast Metalhawk floors that piece of slag!
I disagree, I think it looks really good, especially taking hint at the bulky torso of the G1 toy.
Quick comparison
G1 Metalhawk
Transformers G1 1988 Metalhawk Gallery
TR Metalhawk
Garage Kit Metalhawk
At least the TR one goes more towards gold rather than yellow for the chest, which I think is super cool. Its defintel more an homage to the toy colours.
It's a "garage kit". If you have mad skillz you can paint it gold. Aaaaaaaaaaand why not invest on a "new" mold for Metalhawk instead of recycling one?
The original and the garage kit are technically very simple designs.
And, Metalhawk wasn't bulky. More like a slim built fast hit and run warrior.
But then, its the corporate mindset to milk the most on an invested mold (cough Jetfire cough Seekers). I get that. But given that the character is/was a heavy hitter JP wise.....more like an Optimus type character in Masterforce until Ginrai took over and an equivalent to Starsaber (who IDW turned into a psychopath). Metalhawk really deserves his own mold/design.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861768)
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:29am CST
Takara can and WILL make the figure (Overlord) more sellable to their market! Ginrai ahem is the precedent. They can put in "another" Headmaster instead of just one. An angry/sad face and a smiling face ala the happy/sad masks of showbiz
The Mega armor could be the happy while Giga armor the angry or vice versa could represent that
Colors? Well, wait for the Takara version. More anime leaning color palate. The Legends figures attest to that.
Posted by fenrir72 on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:29am CST
Insurgent wrote:You know, looking at those Metalhawk pics, I think I'm liking him more. I may keep him from the boxoset afterall.
And, quote from somewhere, yes, Overlord is just an upscaled G1 toy. And while he's not a perfect Overlord (I don't like his helmet, it looks doofy like Sixshot's does), he's of a decent size for my shelf and not way, way expensive like the third party one. Which is why I'm more forgiving of this guy than Trupticon being the same.
And, whoever was mentioning about the right chest flap. Takara doesn't need to do anything, you can see that's got a hinge on the outside like the left, so it's safe to say both chests open and store a titan master. Although I would have preferred if his blue was a bit darker, make him a little more menacing.
Takara can and WILL make the figure (Overlord) more sellable to their market! Ginrai ahem is the precedent. They can put in "another" Headmaster instead of just one. An angry/sad face and a smiling face ala the happy/sad masks of showbiz
The Mega armor could be the happy while Giga armor the angry or vice versa could represent that
Colors? Well, wait for the Takara version. More anime leaning color palate. The Legends figures attest to that.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861769)
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:32am CST
And yet Ultra Magnus exists who is just a repaint in a suit.
How many times has Prime and Megatron been repainted into other characters?
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:32am CST
fenrir72 wrote: Metalhawk really deserves his own mold/design.
And yet Ultra Magnus exists who is just a repaint in a suit.
How many times has Prime and Megatron been repainted into other characters?
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861770)
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:39am CST
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 10:39am CST
Actually, you're right. Takara put heads in with their legends, and the vehicles with the deluxes, so they're not against doing stuff like that. And if Sky Shadow's TM looks like Mega, and Overlord's looks like Giga (or whichever way around it is), then they could put both in with this leader. And have a neutral face and an angry face.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861773)
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:01am CST
I think its all simply the colours and the head. Black Shadow (and even sixshot, I will give him that) have a really nice inegration of the face and helmet. The face really looks close to helmet as if it could be all one sculpted piece. Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.
Also, while both have their G1 colours, he black and red scheme has aged very well, while the colours on Overlord look very retro. It works on the G1 toy because that is a retro toy, but it looks off when you add the modern articulation. This mold not being done for Black Shadow makes Black Shadow much more of an update and different from his G1 toy (like a good old Classics take), but with Overlord, it is just the G1 toy again. And at that point, then why not just rerelease the G1 toy? Everything would work, the retro colours would work with ther etro articulation and add to the charm fo it all. If your gonna go retro, why not go all the way? Or else you end up in this weird no mans land that Sixshot (and seemingly the clones) all live in.
And speaking of preffering the pretools over the intended molds. I actually preffer that Lazer Prime repint over Octane. Octane aint bad at all, but that Lazer Prime, holy shit!
Yup, we still have no clue what is in wave 6 (though the leader has been rumoured to be Deathsaurus ).
As for wave 5, they still didnt show titan master Optimus and they didnt show Deluxe Misfire.
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:01am CST
Deadput wrote:Anyways I think were all surprised that Black Shadow looks more interesting.
I think its all simply the colours and the head. Black Shadow (and even sixshot, I will give him that) have a really nice inegration of the face and helmet. The face really looks close to helmet as if it could be all one sculpted piece. Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.
Also, while both have their G1 colours, he black and red scheme has aged very well, while the colours on Overlord look very retro. It works on the G1 toy because that is a retro toy, but it looks off when you add the modern articulation. This mold not being done for Black Shadow makes Black Shadow much more of an update and different from his G1 toy (like a good old Classics take), but with Overlord, it is just the G1 toy again. And at that point, then why not just rerelease the G1 toy? Everything would work, the retro colours would work with ther etro articulation and add to the charm fo it all. If your gonna go retro, why not go all the way? Or else you end up in this weird no mans land that Sixshot (and seemingly the clones) all live in.
And speaking of preffering the pretools over the intended molds. I actually preffer that Lazer Prime repint over Octane. Octane aint bad at all, but that Lazer Prime, holy shit!
TF-fan kev777 wrote:o.supreme wrote:Also if someone can confirm...I assume what was shown at NYTF was not all of the remainder of the TR line? Or was all of wave 5 and 6 basically revealed?
I'm pretty sure most of wave 5 was revealed and none of wave 6. Wave 5 so far (might be missing a few):
TM Ramhorn
Legends Cosmos (re-issue) and Seaspray
Deluxe Windblade and Topspin
Voyager Blitzwing and Octone
Leader Overlord
Yup, we still have no clue what is in wave 6 (though the leader has been rumoured to be Deathsaurus
).As for wave 5, they still didnt show titan master Optimus and they didnt show Deluxe Misfire.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861777)
Posted by Cobotron on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:06am CST
Posted by Cobotron on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:06am CST
Kinda like ol' Soundwave.william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861778)
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:09am CST
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:09am CST
Laser Prime is pretty boss I agree for me I'm going to use my imaginative headcanon to justify having another version of G2 Prime as a version of Nemesis Prime pretending to be Optimus kinda of like how in Transformers Prime the human built Nemesis was used to frame Optimus for crimes.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861780)
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:12am CST
Out of all the helmets on the leader class figures the only one that looks obviously not part of the titan master to me is Soundwave due to his visor looking really sunked in the helmet.
Overlord's helmet isn't spectacular but it doesn't look horrible either so it'll do since I have no budget for 3rd parties heck I've never been invited to a party in my life.
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:12am CST
Cobotron wrote:Kinda like ol' Soundwave.william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.
Out of all the helmets on the leader class figures the only one that looks obviously not part of the titan master to me is Soundwave due to his visor looking really sunked in the helmet.
Overlord's helmet isn't spectacular but it doesn't look horrible either so it'll do since I have no budget for 3rd parties heck I've never been invited to a party in my life.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861781)
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:19am CST
Yes, he was exactly what I was thinking for an example of how it doesnt work.
I still like that Soundwave though, way more than I would have thought. I dont mind the idea of budget MP scale. its a fun scale and the transformations are enjoyable and you dont have to worry about breaking anything. And I like being able to play it next to my kid and not saying she cant touch it. Although speaking of playing with our kids, those RID combiners are going to be perfect.
Anyways, man that Black Shadow looks cool! I really like how much retooling is onvolved in the jet/torso part. is there any obvious part sharing at all for that segment?
And cobo, how do you like that ramhorn research?
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:19am CST
Cobotron wrote:Kinda like ol' Soundwave.william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.
Yes, he was exactly what I was thinking for an example of how it doesnt work.
I still like that Soundwave though, way more than I would have thought. I dont mind the idea of budget MP scale. its a fun scale and the transformations are enjoyable and you dont have to worry about breaking anything. And I like being able to play it next to my kid and not saying she cant touch it. Although speaking of playing with our kids, those RID combiners are going to be perfect.
Anyways, man that Black Shadow looks cool! I really like how much retooling is onvolved in the jet/torso part. is there any obvious part sharing at all for that segment?
And cobo, how do you like that ramhorn research?
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861782)
Posted by bodrock on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:26am CST
It was the main reason I did not pick up TR Soundwave, despite him being $110 cheaper than his Masterpiece....I'm fortunate enough to have had some funds to make that choice at the time, but that may not be the case with Overlord. (Unless I save ALL THE PENNIES!)
I can't help but also prefer Black Shadow for this wave of Leaders - if I see him, it may be impossible for me to pass him up. I need to contemplate TR Overlord a bit longer....
Posted by bodrock on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:26am CST
Deadput wrote:Cobotron wrote:Kinda like ol' Soundwave.william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.
Out of all the helmets on the leader class figures the only one that looks obviously not part of the titan master to me is Soundwave due to his visor looking really sunked in the helmet.
Overlord's helmet isn't spectacular but it doesn't look horrible either so it'll do since I have no budget for 3rd parties heck I've never been invited to a party in my life.
It was the main reason I did not pick up TR Soundwave, despite him being $110 cheaper than his Masterpiece....I'm fortunate enough to have had some funds to make that choice at the time, but that may not be the case with Overlord. (Unless I save ALL THE PENNIES!)
I can't help but also prefer Black Shadow for this wave of Leaders - if I see him, it may be impossible for me to pass him up. I need to contemplate TR Overlord a bit longer....
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861783)
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:26am CST
Posted by Insurgent on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:26am CST
I would say Sixshot doesn't look great to me. It's the headband part of his helmet, it looks like it covers his eyes a bit too much.
But like Deadput says, it's not a dealbreaker, especially given the alternative. And kinda sorta is ok as Overlord always felt like he was wearing a helmet like Megatron anyway. If only it wasn't quite as doofy.
But like Deadput says, it's not a dealbreaker, especially given the alternative. And kinda sorta is ok as Overlord always felt like he was wearing a helmet like Megatron anyway. If only it wasn't quite as doofy.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861784)
Posted by bodrock on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:31am CST
You know what's up Will! My son (3) prefers the G1 and main line of toys, rather than RID - he finds them either too easy to transform, or just prefers the looks of the others. Thet's good and bad, but for the most part, both kids ask for my help when they have a more delicate figure in-hand.
If I let them out of the cupboard, drawers, etc.
....I'm talking about my TFs, not the kids, btw. ;p
Posted by bodrock on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:31am CST
william-james88 wrote:Cobotron wrote:Kinda like ol' Soundwave.william-james88 wrote: Not Overlord, his face is very receeded to the point where the helmet looks big and doofier than it would be otherwise.
Yes, he was exactly what I was thinking for an example of how it doesnt work.
I still like that Soundwave though, way more than I would have thought. I dont mind the idea of budget MP scale. its a fun scale and the transformations are enjoyable and you dont have to worry about breaking anything. And I like being able to play it next to my kid and not saying she cant touch it. Although speaking of playing with our kids, those RID combiners are going to be perfect.
Anyways, man that Black Shadow looks cool! I really like how much retooling is onvolved in the jet/torso part. is there any obvious part sharing at all for that segment?
And cobo, how do you like that ramhorn research?
You know what's up Will! My son (3) prefers the G1 and main line of toys, rather than RID - he finds them either too easy to transform, or just prefers the looks of the others. Thet's good and bad, but for the most part, both kids ask for my help when they have a more delicate figure in-hand.
If I let them out of the cupboard, drawers, etc.
....I'm talking about my TFs, not the kids, btw. ;p
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861786)
Posted by o.supreme on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:40am CST
Posted by o.supreme on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:40am CST
My son is almost 11 so he prefers Generations toys to RiD, which is for sure reasonable. But I think we are both looking forward to the combiners in RiD. While most of our CW/UW are displayed, what he has of TR is played with constantly. He lost interest in RiD when Deployers and mini-cons basically vanished, but the combiners are definitely going to respark his interest in that line.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861787)
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:54am CST
My little girl is younger than your kids, so she actually preffers more solid pieces that have obvious articulation points. Power Ranger zords are more her thing for now, especially the ones that can also roll. Those stunticons and galvatronus dudes will work really well.
Those ball type deployers were especially fun and did agood job at what the line seemed to be going for. My girl likes those too.
Posted by william-james88 on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:54am CST
bodrock wrote:....I'm talking about my TFs, not the kids, btw. ;p
My little girl is younger than your kids, so she actually preffers more solid pieces that have obvious articulation points. Power Ranger zords are more her thing for now, especially the ones that can also roll. Those stunticons and galvatronus dudes will work really well.
o.supreme wrote: He lost interest in RiD when Deployers and mini-cons basically vanished, but the combiners are definitely going to respark his interest in that line.
Those ball type deployers were especially fun and did agood job at what the line seemed to be going for. My girl likes those too.
Re: Titans Return Ramhorn Design Explained (1861788)
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:54am CST
I'm pretty sure there have been some people who have trimmed Sixshot's helmet to be thinner or something like that.
I'm pretty sure I've seen two or three threads about it.
Posted by Deadput on February 21st, 2017 @ 11:54am CST
Insurgent wrote:I would say Sixshot doesn't look great to me. It's the headband part of his helmet, it looks like it covers his eyes a bit too much.
But like Deadput says, it's not a dealbreaker, especially given the alternative. And kinda sorta is ok as Overlord always felt like he was wearing a helmet like Megatron anyway. If only it wasn't quite as doofy.
I'm pretty sure there have been some people who have trimmed Sixshot's helmet to be thinner or something like that.
I'm pretty sure I've seen two or three threads about it.
