Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples
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Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples
Happy Pride month, everybody! My name is Tigerhawk7109. I’ve been on the forums for about two years now. And, this week, I’ll be bringing you a special Pride-themed list. Before we begin, though, let me set one major rule: canon pairings only. As much as I stan ships like AlphaRoad, they’re not official. Also, major spoiler warning for More Than Meets the Eye and Lost Light ahead. And please remember that the use of the term "same-sex" is in the generalized sense where sex is used to refer to gender quite often. Now, without further ado, let’s get into it!
5: Knock Out and Breakdown
Knock Out, the slick Decepticon medic, was far and away the breakout character of Transformers: Prime. He was suave, he was extremely vain, and he gave Autobots like Bumblebee and Arcee a real challenge on the roads. His partner-in-crime was Breakdown, a heavy bruiser who filled the role of Bulkhead’s archnemesis. From their interactions in the show, many fans suspected that the two might have been a couple. As fun as it might’ve been, there was no official confirmation- until IDW stepped in and put their own spin on things.
When Knock Out was introduced in Windblade: Volume 2 number 4, he retains everything from his Prime persona except the sadistic streak. He’s a high-ranking racer on Velocitron, but nothing’s really been said that’s new. However, when Moonracer and Windblade have their conversation at Maccadam’s, the Velocitronian alludes to Knock Out having a Conjunx Endura who ‘couldn’t break Mach 1 if his life depended on it.’ Breakdown, with his bulky build, certainly fits this description. In the Holiday Special, we finally get confirmation that the two are a couple.
Because they had less time for their relationship to develop than any of the others on this list, Knock Out and Breakdown are lower in the ranking- but that doesn’t mean that they’re any less precious.
4: Drift and Ratchet
Suffice to say, this is a relationship that not many saw coming. Drift and Ratchet are polar opposites- one is an ex-Decepticon trying to find his place in the world, and the other is a grouchy old medic who’s losing his touch. But, if you look closely, you can see how their relationship developed over the course of More Than Meets The Eye and Drift: Empire of Stone. When Drift is knocked down by a brick after taking the blame for Overlord, Ratchet is the only member of the ship’s crew who helps him up. In issue 28, when Atomizer hands Rodimus a list of those who supposedly didn’t vote for him, Ratchet reveals that it’s a fake- because his name isn’t on it. There are a number of reasons why this could be, but we’re led to believe it’s because of Drift. The turning point in their relationship comes when Ratchet attends Brainstorm’s trial. After the scientist gets away with a slap on the wrist, Ratchet finally snaps at Rodimus for letting Drift take the fall. He leaves the Lost Light in a shuttle, with a figurine of Drift made by Ten on his dashboard. By Lost Light, the two are officially a couple. Their relationship’s buildup was absolutely genius, and is one of many examples as to why James Roberts is a fricking genius.
3: Anode and Lug
Anode and Lug were the first major newbies introduced in Transformers: Lost Light, the sequel to More Than Meets the Eye. They are a couple when we first meet them, but we also meet them when they have a pretty major argument. Anode eventually realizes that the Lug she is seeing isn’t real- she’s a mere hallucination, brought upon after being saved by the Necrobot. Using a protoform and a spark, Anode is able to essentially bring Lug back to life. Now that’s dedication.
However, that’s not the only reason that Anode and Lug are special. The two are the first official transgender couple in Transformers, and have a whole page dedicated to Anode explaining why the two of them didn’t feel right as males. This quality, combined with the real and believable nature of their relationship, makes Anode and Lug a truly special couple.
2: Cyclonus and Tailgate
All I can say is this: James Roberts knows how to write a romance, because God damn. These two get off to an extremely rocky start. Poor Tailgate is looking for somebody to room with, and Cyclonus lets him into his quarters- only because there’s a sparkeater on the loose. When the minibot starts to annoy him, Cyclonus knocks Tailgate out cold. Gradually, the two grow closer, bonding over the fact that they are both from Cybertron’s ancient past. At the end of Season 1, Cyclonus uses his own spark energy to cure Tailgate’s cybercrosis. In Season 2, Getaway plays on Cyclonus’ reluctance to show his feelings, and manipulates Tailgate into almost getting killed. Cyclonus protects him, and is shredded by bullets. When Tailgate is presumed dead after Fangry locks him in a radioactive chamber, Cyclonus’ faith and desire to see him again causes Cyberutopia to manifest itself as the Afterspark. These two have so much development, and have so much love between them- except Cyclonus’ pride keeps him from saying the Big Three Words until Lost Light issue 16. Caught in the middle of this romance is Whirl, who slowly pushes the two into revealing their feelings for each other. That comedic plot point alone is just fantastic.
1: Chromedome and Rewind
You all saw this coming. Chromedome and Rewind have the single-most developed relationship in all of Transformers history. They don’t just top a list of same-sex couples- these two would top a list of all couples. From the very first issue, we see them fight and make up, like a real couple. The two are very obviously lovey-dovey with each other. However, it’s not until after Rewind sacrifices himself to get Overlord off the ship that he finally says ‘I love you.’ Heartbroken, Chromedome locks himself in his quarters and plays his husband’s final message, a composition of footage recorded by Rewind himself, over and over again. However, the two get a second chance when Megatron discovers a quantum duplicate Lost Light, with Rewind the only survivor. Seeing as he is the same, yet different, from Chromedome’s Rewind, the two get off to a less-than perfect start. Their love eventually grows back to what it once was- to the point where Chromedome almost kills himself to bring Dominus Ambus, Rewind’s old Conjunx, back from his lobotomized state as ‘The Pet.’ Instead of bringing Dominus back, Rewind severs Chromedome’s arm, keeping him alive at the cost of his former husband. There are no other words to describe just how deep their relationship runs.
Honourable mention: If there was one other couple I need to make mention of, it’s Tigatron and Airazor- specifically from the Japanese dub of Beast Wars. Airazor was male in Japan, which was all well and good for the most part. But when the obvious affection between the two blossomed into romance, they inadvertently became the first gay couple in Transformers history.
What do you guys think of this list? Got a couple you think should be on it? Sound off in the Energon Pub forums. For now, this is Tigerhawk7109, signing off.
We thank @LostVelocitron for the thumbnail art.
Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples
Happy Pride month, everybody! My name is Tigerhawk7109. I’ve been on the forums for about two years now. And, this week, I’ll be bringing you a special Pride-themed list. Before we begin, though, let me set one major rule: canon pairings only. As much as I stan ships like AlphaRoad, they’re not official. Also, major spoiler warning for More Than Meets the Eye and Lost Light ahead. And please remember that the use of the term "same-sex" is in the generalized sense where sex is used to refer to gender quite often. Now, without further ado, let’s get into it!
5: Knock Out and Breakdown
Knock Out, the slick Decepticon medic, was far and away the breakout character of Transformers: Prime. He was suave, he was extremely vain, and he gave Autobots like Bumblebee and Arcee a real challenge on the roads. His partner-in-crime was Breakdown, a heavy bruiser who filled the role of Bulkhead’s archnemesis. From their interactions in the show, many fans suspected that the two might have been a couple. As fun as it might’ve been, there was no official confirmation- until IDW stepped in and put their own spin on things.
When Knock Out was introduced in Windblade: Volume 2 number 4, he retains everything from his Prime persona except the sadistic streak. He’s a high-ranking racer on Velocitron, but nothing’s really been said that’s new. However, when Moonracer and Windblade have their conversation at Maccadam’s, the Velocitronian alludes to Knock Out having a Conjunx Endura who ‘couldn’t break Mach 1 if his life depended on it.’ Breakdown, with his bulky build, certainly fits this description. In the Holiday Special, we finally get confirmation that the two are a couple.
Because they had less time for their relationship to develop than any of the others on this list, Knock Out and Breakdown are lower in the ranking- but that doesn’t mean that they’re any less precious.
4: Drift and Ratchet
Suffice to say, this is a relationship that not many saw coming. Drift and Ratchet are polar opposites- one is an ex-Decepticon trying to find his place in the world, and the other is a grouchy old medic who’s losing his touch. But, if you look closely, you can see how their relationship developed over the course of More Than Meets The Eye and Drift: Empire of Stone. When Drift is knocked down by a brick after taking the blame for Overlord, Ratchet is the only member of the ship’s crew who helps him up. In issue 28, when Atomizer hands Rodimus a list of those who supposedly didn’t vote for him, Ratchet reveals that it’s a fake- because his name isn’t on it. There are a number of reasons why this could be, but we’re led to believe it’s because of Drift. The turning point in their relationship comes when Ratchet attends Brainstorm’s trial. After the scientist gets away with a slap on the wrist, Ratchet finally snaps at Rodimus for letting Drift take the fall. He leaves the Lost Light in a shuttle, with a figurine of Drift made by Ten on his dashboard. By Lost Light, the two are officially a couple. Their relationship’s buildup was absolutely genius, and is one of many examples as to why James Roberts is a fricking genius.
3: Anode and Lug
Anode and Lug were the first major newbies introduced in Transformers: Lost Light, the sequel to More Than Meets the Eye. They are a couple when we first meet them, but we also meet them when they have a pretty major argument. Anode eventually realizes that the Lug she is seeing isn’t real- she’s a mere hallucination, brought upon after being saved by the Necrobot. Using a protoform and a spark, Anode is able to essentially bring Lug back to life. Now that’s dedication.
However, that’s not the only reason that Anode and Lug are special. The two are the first official transgender couple in Transformers, and have a whole page dedicated to Anode explaining why the two of them didn’t feel right as males. This quality, combined with the real and believable nature of their relationship, makes Anode and Lug a truly special couple.
2: Cyclonus and Tailgate
All I can say is this: James Roberts knows how to write a romance, because God damn. These two get off to an extremely rocky start. Poor Tailgate is looking for somebody to room with, and Cyclonus lets him into his quarters- only because there’s a sparkeater on the loose. When the minibot starts to annoy him, Cyclonus knocks Tailgate out cold. Gradually, the two grow closer, bonding over the fact that they are both from Cybertron’s ancient past. At the end of Season 1, Cyclonus uses his own spark energy to cure Tailgate’s cybercrosis. In Season 2, Getaway plays on Cyclonus’ reluctance to show his feelings, and manipulates Tailgate into almost getting killed. Cyclonus protects him, and is shredded by bullets. When Tailgate is presumed dead after Fangry locks him in a radioactive chamber, Cyclonus’ faith and desire to see him again causes Cyberutopia to manifest itself as the Afterspark. These two have so much development, and have so much love between them- except Cyclonus’ pride keeps him from saying the Big Three Words until Lost Light issue 16. Caught in the middle of this romance is Whirl, who slowly pushes the two into revealing their feelings for each other. That comedic plot point alone is just fantastic.
1: Chromedome and Rewind
You all saw this coming. Chromedome and Rewind have the single-most developed relationship in all of Transformers history. They don’t just top a list of same-sex couples- these two would top a list of all couples. From the very first issue, we see them fight and make up, like a real couple. The two are very obviously lovey-dovey with each other. However, it’s not until after Rewind sacrifices himself to get Overlord off the ship that he finally says ‘I love you.’ Heartbroken, Chromedome locks himself in his quarters and plays his husband’s final message, a composition of footage recorded by Rewind himself, over and over again. However, the two get a second chance when Megatron discovers a quantum duplicate Lost Light, with Rewind the only survivor. Seeing as he is the same, yet different, from Chromedome’s Rewind, the two get off to a less-than perfect start. Their love eventually grows back to what it once was- to the point where Chromedome almost kills himself to bring Dominus Ambus, Rewind’s old Conjunx, back from his lobotomized state as ‘The Pet.’ Instead of bringing Dominus back, Rewind severs Chromedome’s arm, keeping him alive at the cost of his former husband. There are no other words to describe just how deep their relationship runs.
Honourable mention: If there was one other couple I need to make mention of, it’s Tigatron and Airazor- specifically from the Japanese dub of Beast Wars. Airazor was male in Japan, which was all well and good for the most part. But when the obvious affection between the two blossomed into romance, they inadvertently became the first gay couple in Transformers history.
What do you guys think of this list? Got a couple you think should be on it? Sound off in the Energon Pub forums. For now, this is Tigerhawk7109, signing off.
We thank @LostVelocitron for the thumbnail art.
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Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106674)
Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:09pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:09pm CDT
Nice article. While it does end well for Tailgate and Cyclonus, part of me is still mortified at how gruesome an end Tailgate faced. Like no matter what happenned next, it still didn't undo what happened (at least that's how I understood it).
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106676)
Posted by Senrubo on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:17pm CDT
Posted by Senrubo on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:17pm CDT
Arcee and Greenlight seem to be the most prominent one that you left off.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106678)
Posted by JomasterII on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:27pm CDT
Posted by JomasterII on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:27pm CDT
Why is Knockout holding the trans flag? Wasn't he constructed male? :v
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106683)
Posted by Bounti76 on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:35pm CDT
They're very explicitly a couple in the current IDW continuity, though I feel like Arcee and Aileron in IDW 2005 were better. You got to see their relationship form in quiet moments, over time, whereas Arcee and Greenlight were just "here's a couple".
I actually liked Lancer and Greenlight from IDW 2005. You got to see them doing couple-y things and flirting with each other.
Posted by Bounti76 on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:35pm CDT
Senrubo wrote:Arcee and Greenlight seem to be the most prominent one that you left off.
They're very explicitly a couple in the current IDW continuity, though I feel like Arcee and Aileron in IDW 2005 were better. You got to see their relationship form in quiet moments, over time, whereas Arcee and Greenlight were just "here's a couple".
I actually liked Lancer and Greenlight from IDW 2005. You got to see them doing couple-y things and flirting with each other.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106684)
Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:46pm CDT
I figured he was a supporter, not that the flag represented him specifically. Just like I would hold a rainbow flag in show of support even though I am not gay.
I could be wrong though.
Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2021 @ 6:46pm CDT
JomasterII wrote:Why is Knockout holding the trans flag? Wasn't he constructed male? :v
I figured he was a supporter, not that the flag represented him specifically. Just like I would hold a rainbow flag in show of support even though I am not gay.
I could be wrong though.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106685)
Posted by notsoalex on June 6th, 2021 @ 7:05pm CDT
Posted by notsoalex on June 6th, 2021 @ 7:05pm CDT
The art was really cute! But I swapped it out with a screenshot from the end of LL of Anode and Lug since I couldn't find a source on the fan art. Would suck to have the art up without a source or credit
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106686)
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 6th, 2021 @ 7:50pm CDT
Yeah, I see your point. I don’t know where the art is from, nor who created it- I didn’t post it. Still, glad you liked the list!
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 6th, 2021 @ 7:50pm CDT
notsoalex wrote:The art was really cute! But I swapped it out with a screenshot from the end of LL of Anode and Lug since I couldn't find a source on the fan art. Would suck to have the art up without a source or credit
Yeah, I see your point. I don’t know where the art is from, nor who created it- I didn’t post it. Still, glad you liked the list!
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106690)
Posted by Cliffjumperprime on June 7th, 2021 @ 12:09am CDT
Posted by Cliffjumperprime on June 7th, 2021 @ 12:09am CDT
This is why i stopped reading comics making characters gay
Transformers is a inocent kids shiw not some gender gay mashed uglyness This whole pannel makes me sick to my stomach turning childhood characters Gay
Transformers is a inocent kids shiw not some gender gay mashed uglyness This whole pannel makes me sick to my stomach turning childhood characters Gay
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106692)
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on June 7th, 2021 @ 12:23am CDT
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on June 7th, 2021 @ 12:23am CDT
No Tracks and Raoul?
H O W D A R E Y O U
Seriously though, good list!
H O W D A R E Y O U
Seriously though, good list!
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106699)
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:34am CDT
Posted by Nemesis Reformatted on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:34am CDT
Nope! I'm not going there. I have a huge problem with everybody trying to humanize the Cybertronians.
Starting with the G1 cartoon, I absolutely hate how they changed the cool robot faces of the toy line to human faces in the cartoon.
Then they tried to copy Star Wars by making some kind of weird, awkward love triangle between Arcee, Springer & Hot Rod. Just like Leia, Luke & Han.
Then they tried to change Unicron & Primus into God & Satan instead of simply being huge robots.
And I definitely reject the whole idea of dating, relationships, sex & marriage among these *ROBOTS*. Am I the only one who remembers that these characters are *NOT HUMAN* & *NOT FROM EARTH*?
The whole appeal of Transformers & Gobots is the fact that they are *NOT HUMAN*. If I wanted humans I would collect Star Wars or GI Joe. I'm a fan of Transformers because they are *NOT HUMAN*. Robots are cool, humans are lame.
I don't see the logic behind trying to make them perfectly copy everything about our human society on Earth. They are aliens from another planet. Machines not humans.
This whole thing is F**** STUPID!
Nevermind same-sex couples, the whole idea of Transformers couples is F**** STUPID! The only reason humans have couples is for sex & having children. That doesn't apply to robots. Stop trying to make Cybertron society perfectly copy Earth society. It's totally F**** STUPID! 
Seriously, what's wrong with you people?
Starting with the G1 cartoon, I absolutely hate how they changed the cool robot faces of the toy line to human faces in the cartoon.
Then they tried to copy Star Wars by making some kind of weird, awkward love triangle between Arcee, Springer & Hot Rod. Just like Leia, Luke & Han.
Then they tried to change Unicron & Primus into God & Satan instead of simply being huge robots.
And I definitely reject the whole idea of dating, relationships, sex & marriage among these *ROBOTS*. Am I the only one who remembers that these characters are *NOT HUMAN* & *NOT FROM EARTH*?
The whole appeal of Transformers & Gobots is the fact that they are *NOT HUMAN*. If I wanted humans I would collect Star Wars or GI Joe. I'm a fan of Transformers because they are *NOT HUMAN*. Robots are cool, humans are lame.
I don't see the logic behind trying to make them perfectly copy everything about our human society on Earth. They are aliens from another planet. Machines not humans.
This whole thing is F**** STUPID!
Nevermind same-sex couples, the whole idea of Transformers couples is F**** STUPID! The only reason humans have couples is for sex & having children. That doesn't apply to robots. Stop trying to make Cybertron society perfectly copy Earth society. It's totally F**** STUPID! Seriously, what's wrong with you people?
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106700)
Posted by rikkomba on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:20am CDT
Most Transformers characters are aliens from planet Cybertron, aliens with two hands, five fingers, nose, lips and sometimes teeth.
The G1 cartoon is from 35 years ago.
Star Wars is a popular franchise. To capture mode audience, similar dynamics were introduced. If tomorrow Jurassic Park becomes popular, we might even find transforming dinosaurs on the shelves.
There is no catholic reference to Unicron and Primus being god or satan. They are deities, as the "ultimate good" and ultimate evil", but I don't remember any extended parallels being drawn between the temptations of Satan for Jesus and Orson Wells' reformatting of Leonard Nimoy.
Mike Costa, is that you?
Transformers are human. If they weren't, you would have a very hard time connecting with the characters and their stories. There is a reason if the main character of Mass Effect is not a Geth.
Money.
Actually it's quite realistic. Transformers are a civilisation which has been in a civil war for millions of years. As a society, Cybertronians need to plan for the future, forming "families", "procreating" and bonding to ensure mutual support. Especially in times of war, the forging of strong, lasting bonds is one of the best insurances for long-term survival. Unless you are Sixshot, of course.
I thought your trolling was OK all things considered, but next time try to be more coincise. 6/10
Posted by rikkomba on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:20am CDT
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Nope! I'm not going there. I have a huge problem with everybody trying to humanize the Cybertronians.
Most Transformers characters are aliens from planet Cybertron, aliens with two hands, five fingers, nose, lips and sometimes teeth.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Starting with the G1 cartoon, I absolutely hate how they changed the cool robot faces of the toy line to human faces in the cartoon.
The G1 cartoon is from 35 years ago.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Then they tried to copy Star Wars by making some kind of weird, awkward love triangle between Arcee, Springer & Hot Rod. Just like Leia, Luke & Han.
Star Wars is a popular franchise. To capture mode audience, similar dynamics were introduced. If tomorrow Jurassic Park becomes popular, we might even find transforming dinosaurs on the shelves.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote: Then they tried to change Unicron & Primus into God & Satan instead of simply being huge robots.
There is no catholic reference to Unicron and Primus being god or satan. They are deities, as the "ultimate good" and ultimate evil", but I don't remember any extended parallels being drawn between the temptations of Satan for Jesus and Orson Wells' reformatting of Leonard Nimoy.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote: And I definitely reject the whole idea of dating, relationships, sex & marriage among these *ROBOTS*. Am I the only one who remembers that these characters are *NOT HUMAN* & *NOT FROM EARTH*?
Mike Costa, is that you?
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:The whole appeal of Transformers & Gobots is the fact that they are *NOT HUMAN*. If I wanted humans I would collect Star Wars or GI Joe. I'm a fan of Transformers because they are *NOT HUMAN*. Robots are cool, humans are lame.
Transformers are human. If they weren't, you would have a very hard time connecting with the characters and their stories. There is a reason if the main character of Mass Effect is not a Geth.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I don't see the logic behind trying to make them perfectly copy everything about our human society on Earth. They are aliens from another planet. Machines not humans.
Money.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:
This whole thing is F**** STUPID!
Actually it's quite realistic. Transformers are a civilisation which has been in a civil war for millions of years. As a society, Cybertronians need to plan for the future, forming "families", "procreating" and bonding to ensure mutual support. Especially in times of war, the forging of strong, lasting bonds is one of the best insurances for long-term survival. Unless you are Sixshot, of course.
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Seriously, what's wrong with you people?
I thought your trolling was OK all things considered, but next time try to be more coincise. 6/10
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106701)
Posted by Big Grim on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:54am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:54am CDT
What a lovely list! The chance to see what the Cybertronians (and colonies) where like without the War hanging over them is one of the things I loved about Post War IDW. Seeing them loving each other (without any gender hangups) was plenty cool. I'm all for it.
~ Grim
~ Grim
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106702)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 4:32am CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 4:32am CDT
Although I am a bit more conservative about existing/established characters having major changes made to them (including gender/sexuality), it's still great that these aspects have been approached within TF media. Not only have different human groups been represented in the comics, but the notions of gender, sex and relationships (in general), against beings who aren't really of any gender or sex (at least, in human terms). It reminds me of some of the Startrek episodes, such as "Dax" in DS9, or Data experimenting with his sexuality with Tasha Yar, etc.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106703)
Posted by Barricade.it on June 7th, 2021 @ 5:05am CDT
Posted by Barricade.it on June 7th, 2021 @ 5:05am CDT
As TF don't need different sex for reproduction, same sex couples can be a way to fight stronger withou any danger of extinction for the species.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106704)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:12am CDT
That's an interesting POV. Here's an article that explores it:
- https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2808199
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:12am CDT
Barricade.it wrote:As TF don't need different sex for reproduction, same sex couples can be a way to fight stronger withou any danger of extinction for the species.
That's an interesting POV. Here's an article that explores it:
- https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_2808199
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106705)
Posted by Big Grim on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:46am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:46am CDT
For those saying transformers have no gender, sure, maybe, but this WAS addressed in the comics. These sentient, living beings went out into the wider universe and saw other sentient, that do and how they thusly identified themselves. And the transformers, eminently adaptable beings, adopted these viewpoints because that matched how they saw themselves. They learned this from a mostly organic universe. They've said as much.
In the end, this is fiction but fiction is created by people. I have zero issue with it and if it gives more people from the spectrum of humanity someone to identify with, more power to them.
~ Grim
In the end, this is fiction but fiction is created by people. I have zero issue with it and if it gives more people from the spectrum of humanity someone to identify with, more power to them.
~ Grim
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106706)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:48am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:48am CDT
Not necessarily. These are concepts we as humans are taught, in order to continue the survival of our species. Doesn't meant it applies to alien civilizations. Planning for the future means that the individual must survive. Being in groups does give a better chance of survival in times of hardship, whether it be war or famine or some other social or economically devastation event. But to say that it's needed is not entirely accurate. Even a single human can survive on his/her own in war and other difficulties if s/he is prepared properly. Transformers as they are portrayed can certainly do so as well, even more likely simply by their nature. They were literally built to adapt. For a species to survive, procreation is the most important. (Something same-sex couples cannot do naturally, but that's not the main point.)rikkomba wrote:As a society, Cybertronians need to plan for the future, forming "families", "procreating" and bonding to ensure mutual support. Especially in times of war, the forging of strong, lasting bonds is one of the best insurances for long-term survival.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106707)
Posted by jtanimator on June 7th, 2021 @ 8:12am CDT
Not in the mood to get all pumped in frustration about this topic right now, so suffice it to say I agree with all this. I'm glad some people in this forum are willing to be honest with this stuff because it's pretty frustrating to deal with.
Posted by jtanimator on June 7th, 2021 @ 8:12am CDT
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Nope! I'm not going there. I have a huge problem with everybody trying to humanize the Cybertronians.
Starting with the G1 cartoon, I absolutely hate how they changed the cool robot faces of the toy line to human faces in the cartoon.
Then they tried to copy Star Wars by making some kind of weird, awkward love triangle between Arcee, Springer & Hot Rod. Just like Leia, Luke & Han.
Then they tried to change Unicron & Primus into God & Satan instead of simply being huge robots.
And I definitely reject the whole idea of dating, relationships, sex & marriage among these *ROBOTS*. Am I the only one who remembers that these characters are *NOT HUMAN* & *NOT FROM EARTH*?
The whole appeal of Transformers & Gobots is the fact that they are *NOT HUMAN*. If I wanted humans I would collect Star Wars or GI Joe. I'm a fan of Transformers because they are *NOT HUMAN*. Robots are cool, humans are lame.
I don't see the logic behind trying to make them perfectly copy everything about our human society on Earth. They are aliens from another planet. Machines not humans.
This whole thing is F**** STUPID!
Seriously, what's wrong with you people?
Not in the mood to get all pumped in frustration about this topic right now, so suffice it to say I agree with all this. I'm glad some people in this forum are willing to be honest with this stuff because it's pretty frustrating to deal with.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106713)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:06am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Knight on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:06am CDT
I want to see the top 5 inter-species couples done next...
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106714)
Posted by william-james88 on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:18am CDT
I think it is a main point. A lot of people say they have issues with the same sex relationships introduced in Transformers lore and claim it has nothing to do with homophobia, just that it doesn't make sense for bots to be in a relationship since there is nothing in their physiology that suggests they should have a relationship. And yet that just shows some level of ignorance and bigotry since it ignores a) that relationships have been in Transformers fiction since G1 when Optimus/Orion Pax had a girlfriend which no one riled against since it was hetero and b) the discussion of it not making sense 100% mirrors the idea that there is no place for gay relationships in humans since they can't reproduce.
Relationships are about more than reproduction, that's what this Transformers lore conveys. If one has a problem with same sex robots, they probably also have a problem with same sex people.
And @Rodimus Prime all this was not directed at you or your comment, I was just inspired by that last bit and wanted to expand on it.
Posted by william-james88 on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:18am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:(Something same-sex couples cannot do naturally, but that's not the main point.)
I think it is a main point. A lot of people say they have issues with the same sex relationships introduced in Transformers lore and claim it has nothing to do with homophobia, just that it doesn't make sense for bots to be in a relationship since there is nothing in their physiology that suggests they should have a relationship. And yet that just shows some level of ignorance and bigotry since it ignores a) that relationships have been in Transformers fiction since G1 when Optimus/Orion Pax had a girlfriend which no one riled against since it was hetero and b) the discussion of it not making sense 100% mirrors the idea that there is no place for gay relationships in humans since they can't reproduce.
Relationships are about more than reproduction, that's what this Transformers lore conveys. If one has a problem with same sex robots, they probably also have a problem with same sex people.
And @Rodimus Prime all this was not directed at you or your comment, I was just inspired by that last bit and wanted to expand on it.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106715)
Posted by YoungPrime on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:25am CDT
Posted by YoungPrime on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:25am CDT
I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106717)
Posted by rikkomba on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:32am CDT
Well.
Posted by rikkomba on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:32am CDT
Rodimus Knight wrote:I want to see the top 5 inter-species couples done next...
Well.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106720)
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:37am CDT
In all honesty, dude, this feels like an extremely homophobic comment. The whole point of these couples is that they're not shoved down our throats: they're extremely well-developed and realistic. As someone with many friends in the LGBTQ+ community, I can't help but take offense to this. Take a minute, reconsider this sh*tty statement, and then come back.
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 7th, 2021 @ 9:37am CDT
YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
In all honesty, dude, this feels like an extremely homophobic comment. The whole point of these couples is that they're not shoved down our throats: they're extremely well-developed and realistic. As someone with many friends in the LGBTQ+ community, I can't help but take offense to this. Take a minute, reconsider this sh*tty statement, and then come back.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106727)
Posted by william-james88 on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:02am CDT
How is Hasbro adhering to Pride Month when these stories are from several years ago? The characters were in their relationships every month, not just in June.
Posted by william-james88 on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:02am CDT
YoungPrime wrote:It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
How is Hasbro adhering to Pride Month when these stories are from several years ago? The characters were in their relationships every month, not just in June.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106732)
Posted by QuagDaddy on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:30am CDT
Posted by QuagDaddy on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:30am CDT
The logic of this just doesn’t work and it’s disturbing. ...and it seems only to exist to virtue-signal. In the comics and on this post. ...Please go back to the regular 5 lists where you actually talk about transforming toys.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106733)
Posted by BeastProwl on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:38am CDT
Posted by BeastProwl on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:38am CDT
I just started reading Lost Light (skipped the ladder half of Revolution since it clotheslined me for MONTHS with how bad it is, had to re-read last stand just to get the motivation back) so to me, this is a topical list. Just reached the point where the trans allegory is used.
I only skimmed the list itself, dont want spoilers.
But I can come at this from both sides of the argument.
Anthropomorphising things is something humans do to better relate to them. Transformers are no different. We humanize them to be more like us. As someone mentioned: Mouth, eyes, nose, teeth. Hands, fingers. Two arms, two legs. Humanoid, is the term. HUMANoid.
There are exceptions of course, but those exceptions are meant to look weird and outlandish.
Skylynx as an example. And even then, we see a dragon, or a gryphon. Something WE know exists in OUR OWN mythology. Something fashioned after something WE are familiar with.
Im not gonna pretend I understand the inner workings of someone who's trans. I dont. But if you want to make identification with gender an allegory for trans individuals, using giant, traditionally genderless robots? I dont really see a problem? Like. We humanize them, and trans people exist. Theyre HUMAN. Much as its human to have a relationship. Same sex, or no.
Cybertronians are relatable because theyre struggling. Theyre at war. They've known nothing but loss, violence and isolation.
If you lived like that for millennia im sure youd cherish the thought of a deeper connection more than you'd realize, and a lot of your perspectives would change with the experiences you've gained. Its not exactly unrealistic.
On the flip side, however, the allegory is just rammed in there. It could have been handled with a bit more tact. Explored as part of it's own subplot rather than a casual mention. This itself is it's own writing trap though, since it could make the plot further deviate from itself, so said subplot would aslo need to have meaning in the overall plot as well. As it is, it comes in, is said, and then moved past without much more meaning behind it than that. So it can feel like tonal whiplash.
Like a lot of these relationships are. They come out of nowhere, it feels. Tailgate and Cyclonus, and Rewind and Chromedome are the big exceptions for me. I was thoroughly invested in them.
Cant say the same for Arcee and Aeleron. I havnt reached a point where that developes. But if it happens in the crossover stuff? I likely wont. Because thats HARD to read.
Knockout and Breakdown simply exist. They werent a couple in Prime, unless some extended media I havmt read states otherwise. Its strictly the idw comics. Theyre simply there for representation, and while I dont MIND it, it is what it is. From what I've read so far, it isn't something thats exactly explored, is it? It adds nothing to the plot itself, unlike the others. It's simply a fact. The relationship is there as merely texture.
Also Drift and Ratchet? Really? That just feels....weird to me. Dunno why. Maybe its cuz I always expected there was something going on between him and Rodimus? I might just be blind
Lastly, I recognize the frustration. Not in the relationships themselves, but the fact that people come to read a war story. An adventure story. Scifi.
Not to get wrapped up in relationship drama, reading panel after panel of angst between cyclonus and whirl about will theys and wont theys, and what Tailgate means to him. On that level? Your mileage will simply vary. But I do get it. I admit to rolling my eyes when the plot takes a detour just to get into relationship shenanigans. It happens. But imo it never gets THAT bad. I'm still readin aint I
I only skimmed the list itself, dont want spoilers.
But I can come at this from both sides of the argument.
Anthropomorphising things is something humans do to better relate to them. Transformers are no different. We humanize them to be more like us. As someone mentioned: Mouth, eyes, nose, teeth. Hands, fingers. Two arms, two legs. Humanoid, is the term. HUMANoid.
There are exceptions of course, but those exceptions are meant to look weird and outlandish.
Skylynx as an example. And even then, we see a dragon, or a gryphon. Something WE know exists in OUR OWN mythology. Something fashioned after something WE are familiar with.
Im not gonna pretend I understand the inner workings of someone who's trans. I dont. But if you want to make identification with gender an allegory for trans individuals, using giant, traditionally genderless robots? I dont really see a problem? Like. We humanize them, and trans people exist. Theyre HUMAN. Much as its human to have a relationship. Same sex, or no.
Cybertronians are relatable because theyre struggling. Theyre at war. They've known nothing but loss, violence and isolation.
If you lived like that for millennia im sure youd cherish the thought of a deeper connection more than you'd realize, and a lot of your perspectives would change with the experiences you've gained. Its not exactly unrealistic.
On the flip side, however, the allegory is just rammed in there. It could have been handled with a bit more tact. Explored as part of it's own subplot rather than a casual mention. This itself is it's own writing trap though, since it could make the plot further deviate from itself, so said subplot would aslo need to have meaning in the overall plot as well. As it is, it comes in, is said, and then moved past without much more meaning behind it than that. So it can feel like tonal whiplash.
Like a lot of these relationships are. They come out of nowhere, it feels. Tailgate and Cyclonus, and Rewind and Chromedome are the big exceptions for me. I was thoroughly invested in them.
Cant say the same for Arcee and Aeleron. I havnt reached a point where that developes. But if it happens in the crossover stuff? I likely wont. Because thats HARD to read.
Knockout and Breakdown simply exist. They werent a couple in Prime, unless some extended media I havmt read states otherwise. Its strictly the idw comics. Theyre simply there for representation, and while I dont MIND it, it is what it is. From what I've read so far, it isn't something thats exactly explored, is it? It adds nothing to the plot itself, unlike the others. It's simply a fact. The relationship is there as merely texture.
Also Drift and Ratchet? Really? That just feels....weird to me. Dunno why. Maybe its cuz I always expected there was something going on between him and Rodimus? I might just be blind
Lastly, I recognize the frustration. Not in the relationships themselves, but the fact that people come to read a war story. An adventure story. Scifi.
Not to get wrapped up in relationship drama, reading panel after panel of angst between cyclonus and whirl about will theys and wont theys, and what Tailgate means to him. On that level? Your mileage will simply vary. But I do get it. I admit to rolling my eyes when the plot takes a detour just to get into relationship shenanigans. It happens. But imo it never gets THAT bad. I'm still readin aint I
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106736)
Posted by YoungPrime on June 7th, 2021 @ 12:14pm CDT
My main point was that G1 wasn't even originally Hetero based either (it doesn't need it), which you choose to conveniently ignore in order to run with these BS cry wolf homophobic accusations. Having my own opinion on the topic doesn't make me the Devil. But you trying to silence me with conjecture sure makes you one!
Posted by YoungPrime on June 7th, 2021 @ 12:14pm CDT
Oh you think you're the only one in here with LBGTQ ties... How the hell does me recommending they just use the "T" instead of the "LGB" to properly advance G1 lore make me homophobic???? Just shut up!Tigerhawk7109 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
In all honesty, dude, this feels like an extremely homophobic comment. The whole point of these couples is that they're not shoved down our throats: they're extremely well-developed and realistic. As someone with many friends in the LGBTQ+ community, I can't help but take offense to this. Take a minute, reconsider this sh*tty statement, and then come back.
My main point was that G1 wasn't even originally Hetero based either (it doesn't need it), which you choose to conveniently ignore in order to run with these BS cry wolf homophobic accusations. Having my own opinion on the topic doesn't make me the Devil. But you trying to silence me with conjecture sure makes you one!
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106743)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:10pm CDT
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:10pm CDT
People in these comments mad that TF characters aren’t cold, heartless, and ugly. I’m sorry but aren’t these the exact complaints that we have about Bayverse? We bitched and bitched how those films didn’t bring characterization to the characters we love, that we love BECAUSE of the HUMAN way they acted in the 80s cartoon we can’t get over.
“They’re alien robots!!” Yeah, LIVING beings. They have personalities. They’re fighting a civil war for gods sake, and you want the whole thing to be a emotionless-slaughter fest with none of the characters actually caring and feeling for each other.
So BOO HOO that some of these characters are gay, who are HUMAN-LIKE, so uh, you know, people can relate to and like this franchise. If you’re seriously one of those people who thinks THAT is the problem with modern day stuff, I’d beg you to go interact with some real people and shake off that internet mindset brainrot. Gay characters, creators, and people are here to stay and are NOT POLITICAL, our existence is not politics, it’s YOU who makes it so with your hardwired bigotry.
“They’re alien robots!!” Yeah, LIVING beings. They have personalities. They’re fighting a civil war for gods sake, and you want the whole thing to be a emotionless-slaughter fest with none of the characters actually caring and feeling for each other.
So BOO HOO that some of these characters are gay, who are HUMAN-LIKE, so uh, you know, people can relate to and like this franchise. If you’re seriously one of those people who thinks THAT is the problem with modern day stuff, I’d beg you to go interact with some real people and shake off that internet mindset brainrot. Gay characters, creators, and people are here to stay and are NOT POLITICAL, our existence is not politics, it’s YOU who makes it so with your hardwired bigotry.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106744)
Posted by DeathReviews on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:12pm CDT
Posted by DeathReviews on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:12pm CDT
Maybe they can just install/remove the 'male oil' like they do in Futurama?
"This is only confusing the already baffling line between the robot sexes!" - P. Farnsworth
"This is only confusing the already baffling line between the robot sexes!" - P. Farnsworth
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106745)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:14pm CDT
You can’t reason with people like this, who think gay people not being afraid to live and love is some kind of major threat to their own existence. Also I doubt Hasbro mandated those relationships themselves, that was all the IDW writing teams
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:14pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
How is Hasbro adhering to Pride Month when these stories are from several years ago? The characters were in their relationships every month, not just in June.
You can’t reason with people like this, who think gay people not being afraid to live and love is some kind of major threat to their own existence. Also I doubt Hasbro mandated those relationships themselves, that was all the IDW writing teams
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106749)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:46pm CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:46pm CDT
Didn't know this was a thing hahaha me 1 shity media 0
I can see them adapting by copying the species they are surrounded by to some degree but they wouldn't really need to being a species of their own that's removed from our society on a lot of levels. The quints obviously made some as sex bots so who knows.
Just not something that needs associating with the cybertronians to me but it's fine for other things (within limits either way, maybe netflix She-ra succeeded in bringing homosexuality to the galaxy, at least there is a pill that can cure it in the world of enders game series hahaha).
And at the very least cybertronians don't go to hell hahaha (Well until IDW scrapes the bottom of even more barrels).
Kinda sucks they implied it for prime Knockout
but nice to see they created up some specific characters for the relationships.
I can see them adapting by copying the species they are surrounded by to some degree but they wouldn't really need to being a species of their own that's removed from our society on a lot of levels. The quints obviously made some as sex bots so who knows.
Just not something that needs associating with the cybertronians to me but it's fine for other things (within limits either way, maybe netflix She-ra succeeded in bringing homosexuality to the galaxy, at least there is a pill that can cure it in the world of enders game series hahaha).
And at the very least cybertronians don't go to hell hahaha (Well until IDW scrapes the bottom of even more barrels).
Kinda sucks they implied it for prime Knockout
but nice to see they created up some specific characters for the relationships.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106751)
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:57pm CDT
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 1:57pm CDT
YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106753)
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:19pm CDT
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:19pm CDT
Let me make one thing clear: I will not shut up on the issue of gay rights. The entire f*cling purpose of this list was to celebrate Pride through some of the most well-developed fictional couples of all time. If you have a problem with that, you have no place showing your face in this thread. Get out, and let the people who actually care discuss.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106754)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:24pm CDT
I don't know why you think those who oppose this representation are any more "honest" than everyone who appreciates these characters or doesn't offer an opinion. Those who are most genuine are the enthusiasts.
"Frustrating to deal with?" You don't have to read these comics or participate in these discussions, what's there to be frustrated about?
Posted by AcademyofDrX on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:24pm CDT
jtanimator wrote:Not in the mood to get all pumped in frustration about this topic right now, so suffice it to say I agree with all [of Nemesis Prime's criticism]. I'm glad some people in this forum are willing to be honest with this stuff because it's pretty frustrating to deal with.
I don't know why you think those who oppose this representation are any more "honest" than everyone who appreciates these characters or doesn't offer an opinion. Those who are most genuine are the enthusiasts.
"Frustrating to deal with?" You don't have to read these comics or participate in these discussions, what's there to be frustrated about?
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106755)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:32pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 7th, 2021 @ 2:32pm CDT
Great list TigerHawk7109!
To whoever said about Primus being a deity instead of a giant robot and that being bad, Primus has only ever existed as a deity as far as Lore is concerned (G1 IDW being the outlier here). While Cybertron would have transformed in one draft of the movie, that version was never made leaving the Marvel G1 comics to introduce him as...a god, retconing the entirely disappointment that was Unicron's origins in Season 3. Years later, Primus as the Transformers god would be picked up again and animated in Transformers Cybertron (think he may have been mentioned in Energon though...)
Anyway, I think its great that characters like this exist.
To whoever said about Primus being a deity instead of a giant robot and that being bad, Primus has only ever existed as a deity as far as Lore is concerned (G1 IDW being the outlier here). While Cybertron would have transformed in one draft of the movie, that version was never made leaving the Marvel G1 comics to introduce him as...a god, retconing the entirely disappointment that was Unicron's origins in Season 3. Years later, Primus as the Transformers god would be picked up again and animated in Transformers Cybertron (think he may have been mentioned in Energon though...)
Anyway, I think its great that characters like this exist.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106758)
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:15pm CDT
Exactly! And Transformers has been analogous to the human experience from the beginning, anyway! The original pitch-- a war over energy resources-- draws from the oil shortages of the 70s and growing public concern of dwindling oil supplies.
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:15pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Great list TigerHawk7109!
To whoever said about Primus being a deity instead of a giant robot and that being bad, Primus has only ever existed as a deity as far as Lore is concerned (G1 IDW being the outlier here). While Cybertron would have transformed in one draft of the movie, that version was never made leaving the Marvel G1 comics to introduce him as...a god, retconing the entirely disappointment that was Unicron's origins in Season 3. Years later, Primus as the Transformers god would be picked up again and animated in Transformers Cybertron (think he may have been mentioned in Energon though...)
Anyway, I think its great that characters like this exist.
Exactly! And Transformers has been analogous to the human experience from the beginning, anyway! The original pitch-- a war over energy resources-- draws from the oil shortages of the 70s and growing public concern of dwindling oil supplies.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106759)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:18pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:18pm CDT
Just to clarify, Gobots aren't actually robots, but rather cybernetic organisms. They originally started out as humanoid aliens, and, over time became what we see today. They still have organic brains, if I recall.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106761)
Posted by SynchroBunny on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:32pm CDT
And central nervous systems [and eyes] if the... X-ray[?] of them stands true from one of the episodes.
That was terrifying to see as a kid
Posted by SynchroBunny on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:32pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Just to clarify, Gobots aren't actually robots, but rather cybernetic organisms. They originally started out as humanoid aliens, and, over time became what we see today. They still have organic brains, if I recall.
And central nervous systems [and eyes] if the... X-ray[?] of them stands true from one of the episodes.
That was terrifying to see as a kid
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106762)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:38pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:38pm CDT
I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106763)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:51pm CDT
They're less like traditional robots with limited AI, and more like metallic super lifeforms (taking a a bit of the Japanese title there), always have been, planned from the start by Hasbro. Hell, the original Diaclone version of Ironhide and Ratchet were nothing more than seats with arms and legs... then Hasbro put a face sticker on them.
Part of making good fiction is making characters relatable, and if the bulk of the main cast is robotic, humanisation is inevitable. Which is fine, it allows for emotional attachment to the characters (which translates to bigger sales, but that's beside the point). Relationships are part of that, and with growing acceptance of aspects that were formerly taboo (and still are with some groups) you will see them more and more, like it or not.
Transformers isn't the only one to do the humanising robots thing, mind you. Go look at the Mega Man series of video games, especially Mega Man X4. What else...
Who said they were uhm...
. You can have loving relationships without that you know? Platonic relationships?
Not really, but there was a story arch somewhere in the 2005 IDW comics concerning alt-modes deciding your role in society. The Earthern counterpart, I dare not mention...
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 7th, 2021 @ 3:51pm CDT
Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Nope! I'm not going there. I have a huge problem with everybody trying to humanize the Cybertronians.
Starting with the G1 cartoon, I absolutely hate how they changed the cool robot faces of the toy line to human faces in the cartoon.
Then they tried to copy Star Wars by making some kind of weird, awkward love triangle between Arcee, Springer & Hot Rod. Just like Leia, Luke & Han.
Then they tried to change Unicron & Primus into God & Satan instead of simply being huge robots.
And I definitely reject the whole idea of dating, relationships, sex & marriage among these *ROBOTS*. Am I the only one who remembers that these characters are *NOT HUMAN* & *NOT FROM EARTH*?
The whole appeal of Transformers & Gobots is the fact that they are *NOT HUMAN*. If I wanted humans I would collect Star Wars or GI Joe. I'm a fan of Transformers because they are *NOT HUMAN*. Robots are cool, humans are lame.
I don't see the logic behind trying to make them perfectly copy everything about our human society on Earth. They are aliens from another planet. Machines not humans.
They're less like traditional robots with limited AI, and more like metallic super lifeforms (taking a a bit of the Japanese title there), always have been, planned from the start by Hasbro. Hell, the original Diaclone version of Ironhide and Ratchet were nothing more than seats with arms and legs... then Hasbro put a face sticker on them.
Part of making good fiction is making characters relatable, and if the bulk of the main cast is robotic, humanisation is inevitable. Which is fine, it allows for emotional attachment to the characters (which translates to bigger sales, but that's beside the point). Relationships are part of that, and with growing acceptance of aspects that were formerly taboo (and still are with some groups) you will see them more and more, like it or not.
Transformers isn't the only one to do the humanising robots thing, mind you. Go look at the Mega Man series of video games, especially Mega Man X4. What else...
This whole thing is F**** STUPID!
Who said they were uhm...
. You can have loving relationships without that you know? Platonic relationships?primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
Not really, but there was a story arch somewhere in the 2005 IDW comics concerning alt-modes deciding your role in society. The Earthern counterpart, I dare not mention...
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106765)
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 4:06pm CDT
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 4:06pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106771)
Posted by william-james88 on June 7th, 2021 @ 4:58pm CDT
The idea of identity through alt modes has been approached a TON, that was the whole point of the functionalist universe.
And we saw it in G1 too, that was the basis for what made you an autobot vs a decepticon.
Posted by william-james88 on June 7th, 2021 @ 4:58pm CDT
IHaveQuestions wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
The idea of identity through alt modes has been approached a TON, that was the whole point of the functionalist universe.
And we saw it in G1 too, that was the basis for what made you an autobot vs a decepticon.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106775)
Posted by YoungPrime on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:51pm CDT
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
Posted by YoungPrime on June 7th, 2021 @ 6:51pm CDT
IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106776)
Posted by QuagDaddy on June 7th, 2021 @ 7:14pm CDT
Posted by QuagDaddy on June 7th, 2021 @ 7:14pm CDT
Please go back to Top 5s about Transforming toys. Gay Robots is pretend, yo.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106812)
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 7th, 2021 @ 10:29pm CDT
You know what? I’m done dealing with your bullshit. Get off this thread.
(Apologies for swearing, but I needed it.)
Posted by Tigerhawk7109 on June 7th, 2021 @ 10:29pm CDT
YoungPrime wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
You know what? I’m done dealing with your bullshit. Get off this thread.
(Apologies for swearing, but I needed it.)
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106814)
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 10:37pm CDT
That IS true. However, things did get kinda muddled later on as we got more autobots with explicitly war-geared alt-modes.
Also can we talk about Raoul and Tracks again? O want to talk about Raoul and Tracks again.
Posted by IHaveQuestions on June 7th, 2021 @ 10:37pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
The idea of identity through alt modes has been approached a TON, that was the whole point of the functionalist universe.
And we saw it in G1 too, that was the basis for what made you an autobot vs a decepticon.
That IS true. However, things did get kinda muddled later on as we got more autobots with explicitly war-geared alt-modes.
Also can we talk about Raoul and Tracks again? O want to talk about Raoul and Tracks again.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106818)
Posted by BeastProwl on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:39pm CDT
Posted by BeastProwl on June 7th, 2021 @ 11:39pm CDT
Good god people, this isnt Twitter. Calm the hell down 
otp
IHaveQuestions wrote:
Also can we talk about Raoul and Tracks again?
otp
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106819)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 8th, 2021 @ 12:38am CDT
Yes, that's true, but I was referring to TFs that identified, and thus chose to stay in their "alt" modes, rather than their primary modes. Some might even undergo surgery to remain only in their "alt" mode, for example. This could also link to the issues of "disability", "otherness", "special needs", etc (although, to clarify, I'm not suggesting any Trans or homosexual people are "disabled", but rather their, and other "different" people's challenges of living in a majority culture, etc). For example, TFs that could only, or chose to only remain in car mode, and who wished buildings to be changed to meet their needs.
I'm not sure if a whole story needs to be devoted to this, but it would be interesting for me. Throw in Chip Chase and the BW Mutants, and we've got some interesting things to explore.
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 8th, 2021 @ 12:38am CDT
william-james88 wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I never saw that episode, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Anyway, has the issue of identity been approached (in the comics) via alt-modes? Just as people identify with certain ethnicities, genders, etc, there might be some TFs who identify with, and stay mainly in, their "alt" mode. The nearest I've seen to that was in Beast Wars/Machines, but that was mainly out of necessity, though.
I don't think so, but we got something sorta close in Shadowplay? With the whole "pay to try somebody else's alt-mode" thing. Y'know, temporarily discarding an identity forced on you by an oppressive system to feel like the kind of person you want to be? At great personal risk and expense, no less. That may parallel experiences of older queer folk who lived through the time when queerness was far less accepted.
The idea of identity through alt modes has been approached a TON, that was the whole point of the functionalist universe.
And we saw it in G1 too, that was the basis for what made you an autobot vs a decepticon.
Yes, that's true, but I was referring to TFs that identified, and thus chose to stay in their "alt" modes, rather than their primary modes. Some might even undergo surgery to remain only in their "alt" mode, for example. This could also link to the issues of "disability", "otherness", "special needs", etc (although, to clarify, I'm not suggesting any Trans or homosexual people are "disabled", but rather their, and other "different" people's challenges of living in a majority culture, etc). For example, TFs that could only, or chose to only remain in car mode, and who wished buildings to be changed to meet their needs.
I'm not sure if a whole story needs to be devoted to this, but it would be interesting for me. Throw in Chip Chase and the BW Mutants, and we've got some interesting things to explore.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106822)
Posted by YoungPrime on June 8th, 2021 @ 6:45am CDT
Wow... How do these trolls get away with this type of entitlement, false accusations and blatant rudeness...?
Brotherly and Sisterly love is not BS. I shouldn't even have to explain this. But I guess some people need negative attention more than no attention at all.
Posted by YoungPrime on June 8th, 2021 @ 6:45am CDT
Tigerhawk7109 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
You know what? I’m done dealing with your bullshit. Get off this thread.
(Apologies for swearing, but I needed it.)
Wow... How do these trolls get away with this type of entitlement, false accusations and blatant rudeness...?
Brotherly and Sisterly love is not BS. I shouldn't even have to explain this. But I guess some people need negative attention more than no attention at all.
Re: Top 5 Same-Sex Transformers Couples (2106823)
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 8th, 2021 @ 7:27am CDT
Where's Burn? Do I need to invoke him to come here by enacting some of my time-honoured shenanigans?
Posted by primalxconvoy on June 8th, 2021 @ 7:27am CDT
YoungPrime wrote:Tigerhawk7109 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
You know what? I’m done dealing with your bullshit. Get off this thread.
(Apologies for swearing, but I needed it.)
Wow... How do these trolls get away with this type of entitlement, false accusations and blatant rudeness...?
Brotherly and Sisterly love is not BS. I shouldn't even have to explain this. But I guess some people need negative attention more than no attention at all.
Where's Burn? Do I need to invoke him to come here by enacting some of my time-honoured shenanigans?
