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Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction

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Every two weeks, Seibertron.com brings you a Top 5 list related to all things Transformers. This list is written by Mindmaster with some help from D-Maximus Primal and Kurona and edited by Seibertron and myself.and I would like to thank him for having taken the time. These are his opinions (just like movie or game reviews hosted by sites are still just the opinion of one person) so what matters most is what you guys think of the topic or list, and I hope to see your own lists or comments on omissions and ranking. Let's have fun! All previous lists can be found here.


Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction

A franchise rich with characters isn't complete if it didn't have intense rivalries. After all, who doesn't like watching two characters with an intense hatred for each other fight to the death? Mindmaster here (Seibertron staff allumni and fellow board member) and this week on our "Top Five" list, we're taking a look at the fiercest rivalries seen in the history of the brand!


5. Star Saber and Deathsaurus

For Star Saber and Deathsaurus, nothing says "bitter rivalry" like two childhood friends who swore themselves to differing factions (or at least, that's what happened in the Victory manga). Star Saber and Deathsaurus were kids with a friendship, but that changed many years later, as they became the leaders of their respective factions. While the "childhood friends" part was never explored in the anime, their rivalry was clear one. -Mindmaster

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4. Arcee and Jhiaxus

If your robo-junk got cut off and you were forcibly experimented on to introduce gender to your species, you'd be pretty miffed yourself. Bent on gaining her vengeance, the being who would call herself Arcee devoted herself into hunting down ancient mad-scientist Jhiaxus, who was also responsible for IDW's equivalent of Micromasters and this universe's first combiner, the destructive Monstructor. This rivalry ended with Arcee finally getting the enjoyment of killing Jhiaxus (who was close enough to the Dead Universe to come back to life) again... and again... and again... and again... and again...
-Mindmaster

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3. Animated Ratchet and Lockdown

Lockdown and Ratchet became rivals in the Transformers Animated Cartoon (which is also where Lockdown originates from). The way the story goes, Lockdown permanently scarred Ratchet during the war, both physically and psychologically. He also took his best medical tool, and then when they met again, Ratchet beat the scrap out of him out of Revenge, going so far as to rip the EMP right off Lockdown, along with Prime's grapplers. And then the Revenge of the Fallen line made their rivalry known in the toy bios and how weapons from one are compatible with the other, just like animated. And then Lockdown was the one to kill Ratchet in the live action movies, keeping their rivalry going into movies.
Not to mention the initial rivals were a war weary old medic against a ruthless spiky bounty hunter with no allegiance.
-D-Maximus

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2. Depthcharge and Rampage

The rivalry of Depthcharge and Rampage is an intense one: after Rampage killed all save Depthcharge on Omicron Colony, Depthcharge became dangerously hellbent on tracking down the criminally insane murderer, apprehending him after killing and apparently eating Starbase Rugby's inhabitants. Fast forward (or rewind, technically speaking) to their debut in the Beast Wars cartoon, where while Rampage and Depthcharge nominally belonged Predacon and Maximal respectively, both tended to disobey their orders and go after each other. This bitter rivalry ended in the crossfire of the battle to stop Megatron from destroying the dormant Autobots, with Depthcharge piercing unstable Energon into Rampage's exposed spark, with the fiend cackling all the while, either embracing oblivion to end his tortuous life or because he was bat-s*** insane.
-Mindmaster

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1. Optimus Prime and Megatron

Alright, you knew this was coming, and of course it would. This is not only the most iconic rivalry in Transformers lore but also one of the most iconic rivalries in pop culture. Optimus and Megatron have been at each other's throats for over thirty years since their debut in 1984, whether one was a fan of the other (Generation One's episode "War Dawn"), a librarian and a miner who shared views on the oppressive caste system (Prime's "One Shall Stand, Part One"), or even blood brothers (as established by the live-action films). This is a rivalry that will brew for many, many more years to come. -Mindmaster and William-James88

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Honorable mentions

Armada's Hot Shot and Wheeljack

The rivalry of Hot Shot and Wheeljack is similar to that of the manga version of Victory's Star Saber and Deathsaurus, but with differences: imagine having been friends for a long time, but an ill-fated mission separated the both of you. Your friend tells you that he will come back to help, but never returns. On the verge of losing hope, someone finally comes to help, but it's not your friend, but someone completely unexpected: it's your enemy faction's leader, Megatron, who convinces you that your friend abandoned you! Having been rescued by Megatron and sworn fealty to the Decepticons, Wheeljack was emotionally torn apart by Hot Shot's "betrayal" (technically not true, as Hot Shot was prevented by his senior officers from going back and helping him), and swore to hunt down the Autobot and gain vengeance. Years later, both parties met again on the battlefield on Earth, as the war for the Mini-Cons raged on. Having discovered the Hot Shot was mentoring an even younger Side Swipe, the embittered Decepticon took this personally. Thankfully, unlike the rivalries previously listed, this one took a turn to Happy Ending Avenue: after both factions united to fight Unicron, Wheeljack seemed to forgive Hot Shot for abandoning him. -Mindmaster

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The Wreckers and Squadron X

Another bitter rivalry comes in the form of the Wreckers and their Decepticon counterparts, Squadron X, depicted as flashbacks in IDW's wildly-popular-to-this-day miniseries, "Last Stand of the Wreckers". During the war, Wrecker leader at-that-time Impactor became dangerously obsessed in bringing down the ruthless Decepticons, with both groups engaging in a final clash on the planet Pova. Having dealing a humiliating defeat to Squadron X, Impactor was told the unthinkable; to prevent a political incident between the Autobots and the planet's inhabitants who declared neutrality, Impactor had to free their prisoners. In response, Impactor promptly executed each member of Squadron X, earning him a cozy cell on the ill-fated penal colony of Garrus-9. Impactor would later blame his lieutenant-now-Springer, who testified against him in his court martial, for not agreeing with Squadron X'a demise. -Mindmaster

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Rung vs. Froid

One of the many ways in which IDW separates itself from other series in the franchise is by having many other forms of warfare and rivalry than simply punching and firing lasers at each other; and no finer is that represented than in the rivalry between the two psychologists Rung and Froid in MTMTE. Their story coming in right before the comic's multi-part finale, ample time is devoted to their history together - including plagiarism; diverging views on psychiatry methods; and a dark spot in Rung's very long career. Very different to your typical Transformers story, but it is nonetheless a rivalry that gives way to many story paths and even sheds light on the past of a certain Theoretician. So while this list contains battlefield tales that no doubt make for some amazing action, never forget the much more subtle and down-to-Cybertron battles concerning the psychological health that is just as important as the physical. -Kurona

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Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876367)
Posted by kriksix on April 22nd, 2017 @ 12:59pm CDT
SWOOP AND DIVEBOMB!!
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Posted by kriksix on April 22nd, 2017 @ 1:06pm CDT
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Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876379)
Posted by Terrsolpix on April 22nd, 2017 @ 1:27pm CDT
G2 Slingshot and time. Wait, fiction only? Didn't Breakdown and Bulkhead from TFP have a rivalry that spanned across multiple arcs? I haven't watched the show in a while so might be mistaken.
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876389)
Posted by SureShot18 on April 22nd, 2017 @ 1:49pm CDT
Terrsolpix wrote:G2 Slingshot and time.

:lol: :lol:

Rachet and Lockdown are excellent, and you made good points without even bringing up Arcee. Wasn't Lockdown the one to injure her during the war? Depth Charge and Rampage were one of the best parts of Beast Wars Season 3. Bulkhead and Breakdown were pretty cool too.

But we cannot forget the most important rivalry in all of Transformers, a rivalry of captains, Megatron and Rodimus in MTMTE/LL. :-P
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Posted by Carnivius_Prime on April 22nd, 2017 @ 2:29pm CDT
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Hell yes! Loved that. Marvel UK Swoop also had a rivalry of sorts with Professor Morris before becoming allies with Morris' later robot Centurion and then it gets kinda vague with Centurion seemingly existing without Morris... I find Swoop a bit of a non-entity in most other fictions like the cartoon but I liked him in those UK stories a lot. SHAME HIS TOY WASN'T RELEASED HERE!!! Same goes for Shockwave, Fortress Maximus and to a lesser extent Omega Supreme among others...

Thanks for including the movie Prime/Megatron pic as one of the many instances of their rivalry across the multiverse. And the part about movie Ratchets death by Lockdown in the Animated bit. That satisfies my movie continuity love for today. :)

I thought Ratchet and Megatron had a nice rivalry in the comics that cropped up a couple times near the beginning and near the end of the comics run. It's most memorable part when they were both caught in an explosion and melded together all freakydeek!

And I gonna mention Carnivac and Bludgeon cos of Bluddy's murder of Catilla. Always loved that one and one of the earliest examples of a TF character turning against his faction. In this case being an evil decepticon discovering he's actually got a sense of honour and felt guilty about the deaths of humans he abandoned.
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876405)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 22nd, 2017 @ 2:34pm CDT
While Bulkhead and Breakdown had a good rivalry, I feel we were cheated out of that one because we were never given a reason why, and it was never really explained why those 2 were always going at each other and calling each other their arch nemesis.

I love the Ratchet/Lockdown one though, which is why it made the list as my contribution. They finally gave Ratchet a good rival with plenty of reasons why they go at each other, and it spans cartoons, movies, and toylines with separate stories from the movie. it has worked out really well and is really cool.
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876407)
Posted by shajaki on April 22nd, 2017 @ 2:35pm CDT
Great idea for a top 5. I agree with your top 2 but am unfamiliar with the others. Here's two (totally biased :lol: ) rivalries that would have made my list:

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Let's examine the Darksyde crew:
Scorponok - Idiot
Terrorsaur - Idiot
Waspinator - Idiot
Tarantulas - Brilliant, but insane(?), not a brute, and is alone with his own agenda.
Dinobot - Maybe not Megatron level genius, but definitely smart.
I would say that Dinobot was as close to an equal to Megatron as anyone there, and was the only one who really challenged him. And you know that in a way, this betrayal cut Megatron deep because of their mutual respect, and it was unexpected as opposed to the obvious snake(s) in the grass like Terrorsaur and Tarantulas. The proof in that, is even after Dinobot betrayed him he cloned him TWICE in an attempt to have him in his ranks but subservient. Their clashes in Beast Wars were more interesting than those between Primal and Megs (the two stars) to me because it was deeper than the simple "good vs evil" cliche.

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Is it really a rivalry if they're actually friends? I dunno. I don't think rivalry necessarily means "enemy". Either way, their dynamic was a highlight of the series. So much so that I always felt really let down when Dinobot returned as a Transmetal 2. Not only was there no reaction from Rattrap, but there was little to no reaction from the Maximals in general. You would think, with "their" Dinobot being so pivotal that there would have been some incredible opportunities for stories between this new Dinobot and his past life friends. Such a shame.
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876409)
Posted by shajaki on April 22nd, 2017 @ 2:42pm CDT
Oh and how about these two?

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Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876411)
Posted by Emerje on April 22nd, 2017 @ 2:46pm CDT
Nice list, but com'on, nobody's going to mention this?

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I consider Blaster and Soundwave to be right up there with Prime and Megatron. These two were practically made to not get along.

Emerje
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Posted by Carnivius_Prime on April 22nd, 2017 @ 2:48pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Nice list, but com'on, nobody's going to mention this?

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I consider Blaster and Soundwave to be right up there with Prime and Megatron. These two were practically made to not get along.

Emerje


I can see the rivalry purely being just about who gets retooled from who
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Posted by Terrsolpix on April 22nd, 2017 @ 2:49pm CDT
Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Emerje wrote:Nice list, but com'on, nobody's going to mention this?

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I consider Blaster and Soundwave to be right up there with Prime and Megatron. These two were practically made to not get along.

Emerje


I can see the rivalry purely being just about who gets retooled from who


But he did end up getting a sick shoulder cannon. Shame he has the same hyper drive gun.
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Posted by william-james88 on April 22nd, 2017 @ 3:20pm CDT
Carnivius_Prime wrote:
I can see the rivalry purely being just about who gets retooled from who

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876424)
Posted by Mindmaster on April 22nd, 2017 @ 3:29pm CDT
This has been an editorial three years in the making, no joke.

I will admit my inclusion of Hot Shot and Wheeljack were biased due to my first series collecting was Armada.
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876429)
Posted by Amelie on April 22nd, 2017 @ 4:45pm CDT
I'm amazed that Galvatron with himself didn't make this list.
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Posted by Nemesis Maximo on April 22nd, 2017 @ 5:16pm CDT
Dude, the fact that you put Depthcharge and Rampage on there is the best ever.
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Posted by Kurona on April 22nd, 2017 @ 5:51pm CDT
One I was going to put in instead of Rung vs. Froid but ultimately didn't because I wasn't able to articulate my feelings and thoughts into words was IDW Starscream vs. pretty much everyone on a political level in ex-RiD and later Windblade/TAAO. He's a terrible backstabber of a person which pretty much every main character bar Metalhawk knew and knows and it's interesting to see the likes of Bumblebee, Ironhide, Windblade and Wheeljack try to work with him while still trying to work around him for the benefit of Cybertron, the Colonies and all their people. It's no secret that the political intrigue of pre-Dark Cybertron RiD made it such an enjoyable read and that's in large part thanks to Starscream butting heads with everyone while manipulating everything for his own gain.


I'm gonna sound like a really broken record to WJ here since I did deliberate with him over this, but I heavily disagree with Arcee vs. Jhiaxus on the list. It's no more a rivalry than a worm's rivalry with a bird - it's predator vs. prey with Arcee constantly hurting and mangling and killing Jhiaxus while the latter can really do nothing in defence. Not that I don't want to see him get his comeuppance, but yeesh. It was pretty much just Arcee getting revenge for Jhiaxus heavily modifying her body (and some sort of psychic field that makes everyone use different pronouns with her...? God Furman was reaching so hard with this) without consent and there's a thousand different rivalries across the many stories and continuities we've had in over 30 years of the franchise that all manage to be better than this one - especially when 'rivalry' is the hardly the word I'd use to describe their relationship. Hell, Arcee wasn't even involved in the slightest when it came to Jhiaxus' end in Dark Cybertron! If there was any rivalry going on here at all, it was Arcee wrestling with her own feelings and identity. Which flip-flopped from writer to writer and story to story with minor retcons and hand-waving and... gah. I'm fond of a lot of early IDW but Arcee is definitely one of the areas Furman fell short at.


Anyway, aside from that, good list!
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876450)
Posted by shajaki on April 22nd, 2017 @ 6:09pm CDT
Amelie wrote:I'm amazed that Galvatron with himself didn't make this list.
Or, Galvatron and literally EVERYONE :lol:
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876454)
Posted by EunuchRon on April 22nd, 2017 @ 6:22pm CDT
What, not even an honorable mention for Omega Supreme and Devastator? How about Skylinx and the Predacons, or Superion vs Menasor? Those should at least hit the HM list!
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Posted by Kurona on April 22nd, 2017 @ 7:40pm CDT
EunuchRon wrote:What, not even an honorable mention for Omega Supreme and Devastator? How about Skylinx and the Predacons, or Superion vs Menasor? Those should at least hit the HM list!

I certainly understand Omega Supreme and Devastator given their backstory in the cartoon (conflicting reports concerning the Constructions notwithstanding) and the fact that before Scramble City came in, they were the first two and for quite some time the only two Transformers that were that giant size - so that gives quite a bit of significance and I think it should be added to honourable mentions too, yeah.

But Sky Lynx vs. the Predacons and Superion vs. Menasor are rivalries that... exist, and there's not much more to say about them than that. Unless I'm missing something from Marvel or Dreamwave, there's no actual significance or personality or backstory to their rivalries and clash of characters and are generally only paired together due to size, similarities and being released around the same time. Every other rivalry on the list - much as I'm loath to admit it, even Arcee and Jhiaxus - have backstory and reasons and significance to them. The only thing you can really say about Menasor vs. Superion is that it's the bad guy Car combiner against the good guy Jet combiner.
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Posted by shajaki on April 22nd, 2017 @ 8:32pm CDT
Oooooooo whatabout this one?

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Posted by Amelie on April 22nd, 2017 @ 9:10pm CDT
We're kinda forgetting one of the big ones here, too.

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Posted by I Am James on April 22nd, 2017 @ 9:16pm CDT
My favorite rivalry would have to be between Fortress Maximus and Scorponok in the original Marvel comics.
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Posted by Burn on April 22nd, 2017 @ 10:25pm CDT
Amelie wrote:I'm amazed that Galvatron with himself didn't make this list.

Galvatron and Ultra Magnus ... I mean that Marvel UK cover of Galvatron riding Magnus in alt mode is a freaking classic.

Something a little more obscure but Rodimus Prime and Deaths Head.
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You could go through the entire run of Marvel UK and find a bunch of fun little rivalries.
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Posted by kurthy on April 22nd, 2017 @ 11:13pm CDT
As pointed out earlier, I'm really surprised Megatron and Starscream didn't make the list. The rivalry is so famous that there's a trope named for Starscream.

Also, Grimlock and Blaster?

Metroplex and Trypticon?
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Posted by william-james88 on April 23rd, 2017 @ 12:16am CDT
kurthy wrote:As pointed out earlier, I'm really surprised Megatron and Starscream didn't make the list. The rivalry is so famous that there's a trope named for Starscream.

Also, Grimlock and Blaster?

Metroplex and Trypticon?

Every addition needs a sibstraction, so instead of just pointing on who whould be on the list, could you give your own top 5 list to show who you would remove?

Metroplex vs Trypciton is a nice rivalry but is it better than Animated Ratchet vs Lockdown?

Amelie wrote:[color=deeppink]We're kinda forgetting one of the big ones here, too.

Big in size sure, but is it a great rivalry? Is it fun to follow? It always felt rather bland to me. Like happening for the sake of it.

EunuchRon wrote:What, not even an honorable mention for Omega Supreme and Devastator? How about Skylinx and the Predacons, or Superion vs Menasor? Those should at least hit the HM list!


If we named them all then there wouldnt be much point to these comments right? ;)
The honourable mention isnt really about entries that didnt make the list but rather entries that couldnt make the list. All the ones you mentioned are straight forward rivalries that could have made the list but simply didnt. The honourable mentions in the list are more about different rivalries we wouldnt think of right away that the writers wanted to mention but that werent on the same level as the rest of the list. They are items that if they didnt get mentioned, no one here would probably mention them. Do you get what I mean?

shajaki wrote:Oooooooo whatabout this one?

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Were they ever rivals though? They felt more like the teams sending out their biggest weapons. Like if Russia and the US each deployed a special weapon to go up against the opposing nation. The weapons arent really rivals to oneanother, its more the ones that sent them out that are.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Dude, the fact that you put Depthcharge and Rampage on there is the best ever.


When Mindmaster first came to me with this idea, my first requirement was that inclusion :)
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876506)
Posted by EunuchRon on April 23rd, 2017 @ 12:23am CDT
I totally get it now. Thanks!
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Posted by william-james88 on April 23rd, 2017 @ 12:47am CDT
EunuchRon wrote:I totally get it now. Thanks!


No problem ;)^ And thanks for joining in on the conversation :)
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Posted by Burn on April 23rd, 2017 @ 1:24am CDT
Scrounge and Smelting Pools?

...

Too soon?
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Posted by Ultra Markus on April 23rd, 2017 @ 1:30am CDT
how about Galvatron and EVEYRONE WHO CROSSES GALVATRON!
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Posted by Windsweeper on April 23rd, 2017 @ 3:56am CDT
Burn wrote:
Amelie wrote:I'm amazed that Galvatron with himself didn't make this list.

Galvatron and Ultra Magnus ... I mean that Marvel UK cover of Galvatron riding Magnus in alt mode is a freaking classic.

Something a little more obscure but Rodimus Prime and Deaths Head.
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You could go through the entire run of Marvel UK and find a bunch of fun little rivalries.


Galvatron riding Ultra Magnus' cab wasn't a cover originally unless it's been used as such on a modern reprint.

It was a splash page in issue 86 of the UK comic.
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Posted by Windsweeper on April 23rd, 2017 @ 4:03am CDT
Michael Bay vs the Fandom.

Technically not fiction I know.
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Posted by Burn on April 23rd, 2017 @ 5:42am CDT
Windsweeper wrote:Galvatron riding Ultra Magnus' cab wasn't a cover originally unless it's been used as such on a modern reprint.

It was a splash page in issue 86 of the UK comic.

Close enough.
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Windsweeper wrote:Michael Bay vs the Fandom.

Technically not fiction I know.


:roll:
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 23rd, 2017 @ 7:07am CDT
All the rivalries that came to my mind have been mentioned already, but here they are anyway:

From the Marvel Comics:

Megatron and Ratchet
Galvatron and Ultra Magnus
Shockwave and Megatron

Clearly this is the series I favor the most, as it is what I grew up on and consider the origin canon for the franchise.

Other rivalries:

Optimus Primal and Megatron (NOT the same as Optimus Prime and Megatron!)
Rattrap and Dinobot

This isn't so much a rivalry in the actual continuity, but among the fans perhaps: Rodimus Prime and Ultra Magnus

Windsweeper wrote:Michael Bay vs the Fandom.
This isn't a rivalry. It's not like the fandom is making live action films as well.
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Posted by Nemesis Maximo on April 23rd, 2017 @ 10:34am CDT
Brainstorm and Perceptor in MTMTE. So funny.
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Posted by SureShot18 on April 23rd, 2017 @ 11:17am CDT
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Brainstorm and Perceptor in MTMTE. So funny.

And Cyclonus and Whirl. Now that I think about it you could probably find a rival for everyone on the Lost Light.
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Posted by Noideaforaname on April 23rd, 2017 @ 12:40pm CDT
Sky-Byte and Scourge! Seriously, that alone made the original RiD show watchable. The hated loyalist and beloved backstabber made for a really entertaining character dynamic.
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Posted by kurthy on April 23rd, 2017 @ 5:53pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
kurthy wrote:As pointed out earlier, I'm really surprised Megatron and Starscream didn't make the list. The rivalry is so famous that there's a trope named for Starscream.

Also, Grimlock and Blaster?

Metroplex and Trypticon?

Every addition needs a sibstraction, so instead of just pointing on who whould be on the list, could you give your own top 5 list to show who you would remove?

Metroplex vs Trypciton is a nice rivalry but is it better than Animated Ratchet vs Lockdown?

Amelie wrote:[color=deeppink]We're kinda forgetting one of the big ones here, too.

Big in size sure, but is it a great rivalry? Is it fun to follow? It always felt rather bland to me. Like happening for the sake of it.

EunuchRon wrote:What, not even an honorable mention for Omega Supreme and Devastator? How about Skylinx and the Predacons, or Superion vs Menasor? Those should at least hit the HM list!


If we named them all then there wouldnt be much point to these comments right? ;)
The honourable mention isnt really about entries that didnt make the list but rather entries that couldnt make the list. All the ones you mentioned are straight forward rivalries that could have made the list but simply didnt. The honourable mentions in the list are more about different rivalries we wouldnt think of right away that the writers wanted to mention but that werent on the same level as the rest of the list. They are items that if they didnt get mentioned, no one here would probably mention them. Do you get what I mean?

shajaki wrote:Oooooooo whatabout this one?

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Were they ever rivals though? They felt more like the teams sending out their biggest weapons. Like if Russia and the US each deployed a special weapon to go up against the opposing nation. The weapons arent really rivals to oneanother, its more the ones that sent them out that are.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Dude, the fact that you put Depthcharge and Rampage on there is the best ever.


When Mindmaster first came to me with this idea, my first requirement was that inclusion :)


I'd probably go:
1. Megs and OP
2. Starscream and Megs - probably the most repeated trope in the franchise, even more than "one shall stand"
3. Rampage and Depthcharge - just to important to the tone that BW set
4. Metroplex and Trypticon - too big to pass up, Scorponok never fights Metroplex and Trypticon never fights Fort Max
5. Grimlock and Blaster - this just defines who the autobots are at another level, turns things less black and white
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Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on April 23rd, 2017 @ 8:49pm CDT
I am a fan of Soundwave VS Blaster,
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Posted by william-james88 on April 23rd, 2017 @ 10:03pm CDT
GalvatronG1 wrote:I am a fan of Soundwave VS Blaster,

Its hard not to grin ear to ear when watching scenes like this:



kurthy wrote:I'd probably go:
1. Megs and OP
2. Starscream and Megs - probably the most repeated trope in the franchise, even more than "one shall stand"
3. Rampage and Depthcharge - just to important to the tone that BW set
4. Metroplex and Trypticon - too big to pass up, Scorponok never fights Metroplex and Trypticon never fights Fort Max
5. Grimlock and Blaster - this just defines who the autobots are at another level, turns things less black and white


Thank for writing it all down ;)^ It does seem that you are leaving out anything outside of the G1 continuity though, I guess nothing else left as much of an impact on you, right?
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1876779)
Posted by Zeedust on April 24th, 2017 @ 4:16am CDT
william-james88 wrote:1. Optimus Prime and Megatron

Can we stretch this one to cover Optimus Primal and Megatron too? They may have started their fight as strangers, but as time went on you could see it become more and more personal.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:While Bulkhead and Breakdown had a good rivalry, I feel we were cheated out of that one because we were never given a reason why, and it was never really explained why those 2 were always going at each other and calling each other their arch nemesis.

It doesn't help that their rivalry always seemed to take a back seat to Arcee and Airachnid's.

Not that Arcee and Airachnid's rivalry isn't plenty intense in and of itself, mind you. I was a little surprised that one didn't make the list, or at least the honorable mentions. The sadistic pleasure Airachnid takes from Arcee's suffering and the pure, volatile hatred Arcee harbors towards Airachnid make this one for the books.

shajaki wrote:I always felt really let down when Dinobot returned as a Transmetal 2. Not only was there no reaction from Rattrap, but there was little to no reaction from the Maximals in general. You would think, with "their" Dinobot being so pivotal that there would have been some incredible opportunities for stories between this new Dinobot and his past life friends.

For whatever reason, Beast Wars spent little time remembering its fallen. Dinobot may be the most visible example of this, but he's hardly the most drastic. And this phenomenon is hardly unique to Beast Wars, either. TFP Dreadwing comes to mind.

Windsweeper wrote:Michael Bay vs the Fandom.

I used to feel this way, but I'm pretty sure it's actually the writers who are the problem. As much influence as the conductor may have on an orchestra, what they're playing still comes from the composer.
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1997931)
Posted by Nacelle on December 9th, 2018 @ 8:56pm CST
Tf prime soundwave and treacherous deceptions. It was really cool how Starscream would avoid saying or doing things out of fear of him. I also like how airachnid, who hasn't spent as much time around soundwave significantly underestimated both his surveillance and physical strength. The fight between the two was cool. Overall, I like how, without saying anything, he keept deceptions attempting to overthrow Megatron in line.

Also, TF prime Starscream vs just about everybody (Megatron, Arcee, Optimus, Bumblebee, Dreading, Shockwave, Predaking, etc etc).
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1998007)
Posted by william-james88 on December 10th, 2018 @ 8:48am CST
Nacelle wrote:Tf prime soundwave and treacherous deceptions. It was really cool how Starscream would avoid saying or doing things out of fear of him. I also like how airachnid, who hasn't spent as much time around soundwave significantly underestimated both his surveillance and physical strength. The fight between the two was cool. Overall, I like how, without saying anything, he keept deceptions attempting to overthrow Megatron in line.


Hell yeah, did you see who was number 1 on our best Prime Characters list?

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ers/33741/

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Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (1998084)
Posted by Nacelle on December 10th, 2018 @ 3:33pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
Nacelle wrote:Tf prime soundwave and treacherous deceptions. It was really cool how Starscream would avoid saying or doing things out of fear of him. I also like how airachnid, who hasn't spent as much time around soundwave significantly underestimated both his surveillance and physical strength. The fight between the two was cool. Overall, I like how, without saying anything, he keept deceptions attempting to overthrow Megatron in line.


Hell yeah, did you see who was number 1 on our best Prime Characters list?

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ers/33741/

:D


Yep, saw the list. I do agree with it (especially Megatron and Soundwave).
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (2013804)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 7th, 2019 @ 7:53am CST
A[nother] solid list ;)^

For my own take:

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1)Dinobot and Rattrap - Given I am a fan of villains, not heroes, yet Beast Wars did break the mold for me in that regard. Exemplified by these two. Independently, I'm not really a fan of either of them. Together, they were pure gold, in even the worst episodes of Season One IE The Low Road.

2)Megatron and Starscream - As mentioned previously, I got into G1 through The Movie. As such I find limited appeal in the seasons that preceded it. It speaks for itself that this is the only rivalry I cared enough about to mention however. On the other hand, this rivalry became so iconic it has seemingly doomed each subsequent 'Starscream' to repeat the trope established.

3)Depthcharge and Rampage - An adversarial rivalry is a fine line to walk. The kind that tick a box for me are the kind represented by these two. Pure hate. As mentioned by Will, the kind of rivalry wherein they will virtually forsake everything else around them to end the bitter struggle. Two of the absolute best characters Beast Wars created.

4)Waspinator and The Universe - Perhaps 'and luck' would be more specific. As in Waspinator appears from the beginning to the end of the Beast Era to have very little joy out of either, in spite of surviving the whole era.

5)Lockdown and Ratchet - I didn't like "ole man Ratchet", this rivalry though made me enjoy him a lot more. Introducing a new villain who wasn't an idiot or fodder was appealing too.
Re: Top Five Rivalries in Transformers Fiction (2021428)
Posted by Nacelle on May 14th, 2019 @ 9:45am CDT
The rivalry Shattered Glass Treadshot and Ultra Magnus was hilarious.
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