Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation
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It appears there is another mold variation in the world of Transformers in the Classics line. Powered Convoy of Allspark.com first noticed that there was some differences between his Classics Starscream and the Skywarp he got in his Target exclusive Classics Ultra Magnus Vs. Skywarp set. Powered Convoy noticed that Classics Starscream from the first wave of Classics and Skywarp differed in that the jet intakes along side the Seekers' heads have been remolded. Here is the difference described by Powered Convoy:
"If you look at Starscream, the angle at which it slants up from his chest towards the intake is steeper, ending just above his "ear muffs". And there are 4 rectangles above the top of the slope. On Skywarp the slope ends below his "ear muffs" and there are 5 rectangles above the top of the slope instead of four."
That is not where the mystery ends. Our own Cyclonus_3009 brought something to Seibertron's attention. It appears that the Classics Starscream released with Classics wave two share the same remold as Skywarp. Seibertron discovered the proof when he preformed a head swap with Skywarp and a Starscream. Here are some images that show the change in the mold:
Skywarp
Wave 1 Starscream
Wave 2 Starscream (after custom head swap)
Wave 2 Starscream and Skywarp (after custom head swap)
Wave 2 Starscream with Wave 1 Starscream (after custom head swap)
"If you look at Starscream, the angle at which it slants up from his chest towards the intake is steeper, ending just above his "ear muffs". And there are 4 rectangles above the top of the slope. On Skywarp the slope ends below his "ear muffs" and there are 5 rectangles above the top of the slope instead of four."
That is not where the mystery ends. Our own Cyclonus_3009 brought something to Seibertron's attention. It appears that the Classics Starscream released with Classics wave two share the same remold as Skywarp. Seibertron discovered the proof when he preformed a head swap with Skywarp and a Starscream. Here are some images that show the change in the mold:
Skywarp
Wave 1 Starscream
Wave 2 Starscream (after custom head swap)
Wave 2 Starscream and Skywarp (after custom head swap)
Wave 2 Starscream with Wave 1 Starscream (after custom head swap)
Credit(s): Powered Convoy's of Allspark.com, Cyclonus_3009 and Seibertron
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Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9523)
Posted by Nemesis_Apoc on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:36pm CST
Posted by Nemesis_Apoc on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:36pm CST
That's interesting. Hardly noticable, but cool once you examine the details.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9526)
Posted by Redimus on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:41pm CST
Posted by Redimus on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:41pm CST
Why are Hasbro making these barely noticable totally unnesserery mold tweaks on the classics? It seems strange (and expensive) to alter a mold if you arnt gonna actully achive any kinda useful change.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9528)
Posted by Greed on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:42pm CST
Posted by Greed on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:42pm CST
Wow, what a difference.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9530)
Posted by sparkofchaos on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:43pm CST
Posted by sparkofchaos on February 2nd, 2007 @ 10:43pm CST
wow how that makes a world of difference. i have to say that the first wave of head sculpt seems too much of a rush to get the job done. I have the same problem with megatron's face too. It also looks too unfinished. Maybe with a possible release of its repaint into galvatron, we might get to see a better head paint/sculpt. but yeah the new face that Skywarp has is definitely much more polished and handsome looking than what starscream has.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9544)
Posted by Ninja Sixshot on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:03pm CST
Posted by Ninja Sixshot on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:03pm CST
that change really is barely noticeable.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9560)
Posted by TazD on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:27pm CST
Posted by TazD on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:27pm CST
That's great news as I haven't bought Starscream yet. Does anyone know how to recognize the packaging for Wave 2 Starscream?
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9562)
Posted by ChrisR291 on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:29pm CST
Posted by ChrisR291 on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:29pm CST
they should fix the wings/launchers problem...
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9563)
Posted by Mike Decepticon on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:29pm CST
Posted by Mike Decepticon on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:29pm CST
Look closer, is it me or does wave 2 Starscream's face look painted?
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9564)
Posted by DecepticonRedAlert on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:29pm CST
Posted by DecepticonRedAlert on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:29pm CST
I'm going to wal-mart tomorrow so how can I tell if its wave 1 or wave 2 starscream
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9569)
Posted by Quaternion on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:44pm CST
Posted by Quaternion on February 2nd, 2007 @ 11:44pm CST
Uh, big deal, Hasbro. Why did they decide to just remold the intakes such an unnoticable amount?
By the way, for those of you that cant read, Screamer's head in the latter pictures is really Skywarp's head on Screamer's body. Buying a new wave 2 Screamer won't get you that cool head (unfortunately).
By the way, for those of you that cant read, Screamer's head in the latter pictures is really Skywarp's head on Screamer's body. Buying a new wave 2 Screamer won't get you that cool head (unfortunately).
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9597)
Posted by ShGarland_1383 on February 3rd, 2007 @ 12:30am CST
Posted by ShGarland_1383 on February 3rd, 2007 @ 12:30am CST
Wow. I don't think I would have noticed the changes if I didn't study the pictures posted here. Killer find!
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9609)
Posted by hotrodimus prime on February 3rd, 2007 @ 12:47am CST
Posted by hotrodimus prime on February 3rd, 2007 @ 12:47am CST
skywarps head is a huge improvment
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9615)
Posted by Primus_feather on February 3rd, 2007 @ 1:12am CST
Posted by Primus_feather on February 3rd, 2007 @ 1:12am CST
I wonder if this will make Wave 1 Screamer a rarer figure given its just being a earlier mold.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9665)
Posted by NightFall on February 3rd, 2007 @ 2:04am CST
Posted by NightFall on February 3rd, 2007 @ 2:04am CST
Well, I could just paint mines, which I will someday.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9669)
Posted by William on February 3rd, 2007 @ 2:07am CST
Posted by William on February 3rd, 2007 @ 2:07am CST
muggezifter
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9863)
Posted by Skowl on February 3rd, 2007 @ 9:03am CST
Posted by Skowl on February 3rd, 2007 @ 9:03am CST
That's alot of attention to detail on Hasbro's part, I wonder what's the logic behind the change, when they could have done a straight-up repaint. I don't think anyone would have complained about that.
Then again, some Transfans will complain about anything...
"wah wah wah Skywarp's intake valves aren't molded steep enough wah wah Hasbro sucks!"
Then again, some Transfans will complain about anything...
"wah wah wah Skywarp's intake valves aren't molded steep enough wah wah Hasbro sucks!"
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9906)
Posted by Liege Evilmus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 10:40am CST
Posted by Liege Evilmus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 10:40am CST
They altered Bumblebee alittle too changing the size of the well that his rub sign sits it so it'll fit better. Minor tweeks aren't all that uncommon.
Still even with it being well described, I could still hardly notice ant difference. I was hoping this article was going to be about Thrust or Dirge.
Still even with it being well described, I could still hardly notice ant difference. I was hoping this article was going to be about Thrust or Dirge.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (9934)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 3rd, 2007 @ 11:15am CST
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 3rd, 2007 @ 11:15am CST
I dont think they should have remolded Starscream and re-released it. If they would have keep SC the way he was and just remolded it for Skywarp then they would be two diffrent figures in and not just a simple hasbro repaint. But i know why they did it. To geet more money. We all know that all the hardcore collectors are going to try and find both versons and buy them. Posssibly even 2 of each. If hasbro is going to remold a figer so they can re-paint it and re-name it then leave it for that TF. Dont change it back to its base name just to have another figure out there.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10028)
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 1:30pm CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 1:30pm CST
I have both and i think your full of your self
there is no variation. its the same mold
there is no variation. its the same mold
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10029)
Posted by Dclone Soundwave on February 3rd, 2007 @ 1:32pm CST
Posted by Dclone Soundwave on February 3rd, 2007 @ 1:32pm CST
I hadn't even noticed that. Damn, the things I miss so easily. Still, it's not like I'm the only one........
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10118)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 3rd, 2007 @ 4:01pm CST
You have Skywarp and Starscream or the wave 1 and wave 2 Starscreams?
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 3rd, 2007 @ 4:01pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:I have both and i think your full of your self
there is no variation. its the same mold
You have Skywarp and Starscream or the wave 1 and wave 2 Starscreams?
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10128)
Posted by Agamemnon on February 3rd, 2007 @ 4:16pm CST
I've got them in front of me right now. There is indeed a slight difference. I'll see if I can do a side by side pic for ya.
Posted by Agamemnon on February 3rd, 2007 @ 4:16pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:I have both and i think your full of your self
there is no variation. its the same mold
I've got them in front of me right now. There is indeed a slight difference. I'll see if I can do a side by side pic for ya.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10214)
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 5:29pm CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 5:29pm CST
i have the wave one starscream right when it came out the very first time and skywarp and ramjet they all are exactly the same body.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10242)
Posted by Agamemnon on February 3rd, 2007 @ 5:55pm CST
Posted by Agamemnon on February 3rd, 2007 @ 5:55pm CST
Here are some pics. I reversed the two just so it could be apparent it's not a perspective thing. I hope this works...
It's subtle, but it's definitely there. Short of using a ruler or caliper (which I do have access to and will do if asked) I don't know how to be more definitive.
[edit] found some tools to do the measurement. I estimate the difference to be about 1.8 mm. Miniscule for sure, but definitely there, and definitely noticable, in my opinion.
It's subtle, but it's definitely there. Short of using a ruler or caliper (which I do have access to and will do if asked) I don't know how to be more definitive.
[edit] found some tools to do the measurement. I estimate the difference to be about 1.8 mm. Miniscule for sure, but definitely there, and definitely noticable, in my opinion.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10263)
Posted by Valandar on February 3rd, 2007 @ 6:25pm CST
Posted by Valandar on February 3rd, 2007 @ 6:25pm CST
I appear to have a Wave 1 Starscream.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10271)
Posted by Agamemnon on February 3rd, 2007 @ 6:35pm CST
Posted by Agamemnon on February 3rd, 2007 @ 6:35pm CST
I just bought another Starscream to keep in the package. I can count the little rectangles in the intake. My open wave 1 is 2 big ones and 2 skinny ones. The one in the package, wave 2, has 3 big and 2 skinny, just like is evident in the skywarp comparison pic I posted. I'd rather not open it, but I think there is definitely a difference in the waves.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10340)
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 7:19pm CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 7:19pm CST
so how significant is a little change like it worth?
i could care less.
i could care less.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10342)
Posted by Valandar on February 3rd, 2007 @ 7:24pm CST
For most people, there's absolutely no significance. But some collectors want every variation of every figure, and that includes minor remolds like this.
Posted by Valandar on February 3rd, 2007 @ 7:24pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:so how significant is a little change like it worth?
i could care less.
For most people, there's absolutely no significance. But some collectors want every variation of every figure, and that includes minor remolds like this.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10346)
Posted by Redimus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 7:28pm CST
Poor them.
Personally, I like all the other things money can buy as well as the classics.
Posted by Redimus on February 3rd, 2007 @ 7:28pm CST
Valandar wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:so how significant is a little change like it worth?
i could care less.
For most people, there's absolutely no significance. But some collectors want every variation of every figure, and that includes minor remolds like this.
Poor them.
Personally, I like all the other things money can buy as well as the classics.
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (10690)
Posted by demarcusgd on February 4th, 2007 @ 4:48am CST
Posted by demarcusgd on February 4th, 2007 @ 4:48am CST
I'm happy with Screamer just as he is, but speaking of variants, I wonder when we're going to get Thundercracker, and *gulp* Sunstorm. That'd be awesome if they put them in a two pack...not awesome if it's an insanely priced exclusive
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (11282)
Posted by Barricade on February 4th, 2007 @ 8:18pm CST
Posted by Barricade on February 4th, 2007 @ 8:18pm CST
i was looking at a wave 1 and wave2 screamer at work this morning and it looks like the red paint on wave 2 os darker/bolder then wave one........ is there a difference inthe look of wave 1 and 2's heads?
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (14201)
Posted by Anonymous on February 7th, 2007 @ 2:42pm CST
Posted by Anonymous on February 7th, 2007 @ 2:42pm CST
pls make a no orange tiped megatron repaint pls pls pls pls ill buy that one and sell mine on ebay lol
Re: Transformers Classics Starscream mold variation (14371)
Posted by Glyph on February 7th, 2007 @ 5:58pm CST
And this has... what to do with Classics Starscream?
In other news, an interesting little tweak to the mould. I wonder why they did it. It also appears that the Starscream released in the UK alongside Bumblebee and Rodimus (I'm assured there are Astrotrains out there somewhere as well) is the Wave 2 Screamer - I haven't seen the Wave 1 version in the places I've looked.
Posted by Glyph on February 7th, 2007 @ 5:58pm CST
HitsugiKun wrote:pls make a no orange tiped megatron repaint pls pls pls pls ill buy that one and sell mine on ebay lol
And this has... what to do with Classics Starscream?
In other news, an interesting little tweak to the mould. I wonder why they did it. It also appears that the Starscream released in the UK alongside Bumblebee and Rodimus (I'm assured there are Astrotrains out there somewhere as well) is the Wave 2 Screamer - I haven't seen the Wave 1 version in the places I've looked.
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